MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[krimekat]

I don't even know if Ferguson's police department has taser guns. Do they?

IDK but FPD didn't have appropriations to implement dash cameras in vehicles or body cams. I sure feel for these communities who used to have a lot of personal property $$$$$$ to use & now since the community went to $h*t, there's not enough $$$$$$ through personal property taxes & they have to rely on grants . . . it's just how urban areas become - it will bounce back in maybe 30 yrs

 

[cady]

The story said because his coat was too thick.

EEK! Coat in august? that's weird. So you can't be tased outside in the winter? Hmmmmm. JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

EEK! Coat in august? that's weird. So you can't be tased outside in the winter? Hmmmmm. JMO

How far away do you think a taser works?




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[krimekat]

Some of these protesters should take a look at Detroit as to what happens when LE pulls out. Bullies thrive and the rest suffer...

I guess you haven't been to north StL - it's already here & moving west

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Honestly the fact that we are even discussing this is crazy!

MB robbed a store, then walked down the middle of the street, then REFUSED to get out of the street when a police officer asked him too, then got into a confrontation with the police officer IN THE OFFICER'S CAR!!!!!!!

And folks are still wondering why that 'po child was shot. Society is surely going to h*ll in a handbasket.

That is not the story the police put out. They did not say that MB refused to get out of the street. They said the officer asked them to get out of the street and then the cop was moving on when he heard the BOLO about the robbery.

The problem is that there are not real facts. The problem here is there are no real facts backed up by evidence from OW side of the story. We only have a few lines about what happened and not directly from him.

AND even if someone refuses to get out of the street, That is not something we execute people for, but in this case, that was not what was reported.

 

[krimekat]

Maybe he wanted to admire it? Nope, he was trying to take it and IMO, if he had gotten it, Office Wilson would be dead right now.

and IMHO it wouldn't have hit Lame Stream Media, just local StL news (gawd, it's horrible here; well, not my 'hood but it's surrounding us)

 

[jmcgladr]

<BBM for Focus>

Speculation, imo...

OK, if MB was quite some distance away from OW when he was fatally shot, how could he be trying to take OW's gun away? Extendable arms? It's not speculation, it's logic.

 

[katydid23]

That is not the story the police put out. They did not say that MB refused to get out of the street. They said the officer asked them to get out of the street and then the cop was moving on when he heard the BOLO about the robbery.

The problem is that there are not real facts. The problem here is there are no real facts backed up by evidence from OW side of the story. We only have a few lines about what happened and not directly from him.

AND even if someone refuses to get out of the street, That is not something we execute people for, but in this case, that was not what was reported.

Dorian HIMSELF said they refused, from his very first interview.

 

[jjenny]

If he was mentally ill (as he was apparently known by the community to be) and not in his right mind, he was probably not thinking logically. I think mentally ill people should receive treatment, not gunfire and death at the hands of police!

Oh gee.
In TX a supposedly mentally ill guy just shot and killed a police chief.
Being mentally ill doesn't make someone harmless, it's the opposite.

 

[katydid23]

OK, if MB was quite some distance away from OW when he was fatally shot, how could he be trying to take OW's gun away? Extendable arms? It's not speculation, it's logic.

It takes 2 seconds to travel 30 feet.

 

[krimekat]

Right. He was being pursued because he assaulted an officer and they struggled over a gun, with a shot fired.

If it is shown that the gun went off in the car, and there is blood from MB in the car, then what?

or fingerprints -- that's the key I'm looking for in the evidence files

 

[krimekat]

OK, first, when MB was fatally shot, he was no longer at the police cruiser, correct? He had fled some distance away and was being pursued by OW in some accounts, or shot at from the police cruiser in other accounts. He was shot from a distance, and was not attempting to grab OW's gun at the time he got the head/chest wounds, not by any account I have read. The alleged (as yet unproven) punching or grabbing of the gun happened earlier, not when MB was shot down. We don't know for sure if MB even touched the gun, let alone tried to take it from OW. That is all just speculation at this point.

he was NOT shot in the chest or back -- posts support this FACT (maybe our definitions of chest differ )

 

[LambChop]

The standard for police to use deadly force is 21 feet if they feel their life if threatened.

It is common knowledge that a suspect, armed with an edged weapon and within twenty-one feet of a police officer presents a deadly threat. Why? Because the “average” man can run that twenty-one feet in about one-point-five seconds; the same one-point-five seconds it will take that police officer to recognize danger, draw and point his weapon, and then pull the trigger. Even if the officer manages to get the shot off, and even if it hits the suspect; even if it instantly disables the suspect, the blade is going to be so close to the officer that the suspect’s momentum may continue forward with enough force for the edged weapon to end up injuring the officer anyway

http://www.usadojo.com/articles/21-feet.htm

 

[katydid23]

Well, what do you think that proves, other than OW fired his gun in the patrol car, and it hit/bloodied MB? Not sure how that evidence would let OW off the hook?

It would show they struggled over the gun. This entire incident, from start to finish, happened in 50 seconds. I think this officer was blindsided.

 

[krimekat]

So we have Browns feet run over and Wilson shot him from the vehicle, he never got out of it...and Mike Brown was a little boy...

Alrighty then


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wow! proves that some communities "stick together"

 

[jmcgladr]

he was NOT shot in the chest or back -- posts support this FACT (maybe our definitions of chest differ )

What are the 2 chest wounds shown on the coroner's picture? I suppose it is true that our definitions might differ, would "upper torso " work better?

 

[bettybaby00]

IF the account that MB assaulted, and attempted to take OWs gun is true, then the issue that he was "running away", or he had stopped trying to get Wilson's gun doesn't actually matter. A person who is brazen enough to assault a cop and try to get at his weapon is going to be considered a continued threat to that officer and the community at large, even if he was fleeing, even more so if he then turned around and taunted and /or charged Wilson.

I'm not saying that is what happened, we don't have all the facts or evidence yet, but the "he was fleeing argument" is invalid under the law, and those links have been posted more than a few times.

Maybe we should have a thread containing the various laws/codes and Supreme Court decisions that may come into play in this case.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Dorian HIMSELF said they refused, from his very first interview.

Not that I saw. He said that he told the officer they were moving on, that the officer pulled away then stopped.

 

[Sonya610]

and IMHO it wouldn't have hit Lame Stream Media, just local StL news (gawd, it's horrible here; well, not my 'hood but it's surrounding us)

I hope when you go out you are locked and loaded, even if just in your car (no permit required).

Please don't take chances, you don't want to be defenseless in your car and suddenly realized there is trouble.

 

[jjenny]

IF the account that MB assaulted, and attempted to take OWs gun is true, then the issue that he was "running away", or he had stopped trying to get Wilson's gun doesn't actually matter. A person who is brazen enough to assault a cop and try to get at his weapon is going to be considered a continued threat to that officer and the community at large, even if he was fleeing, even more so if he then turned around and taunted and /or charged Wilson.

I'm not saying that is what happened, we don't have all the facts or evidence yet, but the "he was fleeing argument" is invalid under the law, and those links have been posted more than a few times.

Maybe we should have a thread containing the various laws/codes and Supreme Court decisions that may come into play in this case.

I agree. I think shooting could be justified even if the suspect is running away, if the suspect is dangerous.