MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[JeannaT]

Do we know if residents are allowed to pick which school in the area they want to attend? 'Just wondering 'cause they can do that in my county.

He was in an alternative school, not a regular public neighborhood school. It was kind of self-paced, which is why they took grad pictures in March for those who would be graduating throughout the next few months as they completed their self-paced curriculum.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...4d65e6-2257-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

"During his junior year, he attended McCluer High School in the neighboring Ferguson-Florissant district before returning his senior year to Normandy."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_cbafa12e-7305-5fd7-8e0e-3139f472d130.html

 

[noZme]

Bystander's 10 minute video shortly after shooting, posted & discussed earlier in this thread. Foul language warning.

Shortly after the 6 minute mark, a voice is heard explaining why the body is facing toward the police car. In the previous discussion, someone heard him to say Brown ran, then turned back on the cop. I wish someone would transcribe this although there would have to be a lot of obscenities & poliitically incorrect terms blanked-out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdL9dqkyjhM&list=UUmhRp3o1thoxFB9VOrvzz3A

[video=youtu;VdL9dqkyjhM]http://youtu.be/VdL9dqkyjhM?list=UUmhRp3o1thoxFB9VOrvzz3A[/video]

 

[krimekat]

He was in an alternative school, not a regular public neighborhood school. It was kind of self-paced, which is why they took grad pictures in March for those who would be graduating throughout the next few months as they completed their self-paced curriculum.

he graduated from Normandy HS -- I don't know where you got your information. It is a municipal public HS; now, he may have been in alternative teaching program to help him graduate; but no, this a public HS (until the State shuts it down due to unaccreditation - like so many others in that area)

 

[Linda7NJ]

Did anyone else just see johnsons lawyer on Justice with Judge J.? He was giving a detailed account of incident per johnson when they lost his sound. He says mb was first shot in chest while fighting officer.

Maybe he was high on something like PCP or that synthetic stuff...he sure was behaving like he thought he was invincible.
IMO

 

[Lovejac]

The first accounts were that he was shot in the back he put his hand up turned around dropped to his
Knees and the cop opened fire at that point clip empty total of
7 /shots fired. Those were the first eyewitness accounts. After the struggle inside the car.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/mike-br...-missouri-leads-to-vandalism-looting-/252208/

and

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...el-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/. Witness agrees 7 shots fired poss eight.

But if he was shot in the back, wouldn't we be able to see it in the video of him laying in the street? He's wearing a white shirt, we should be able to see something.

 

[JLSChook]

Live Feed from Ferguson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IvCejX9Q8

 

[Lovejac]

Bystander's 10 minute video shortly after shooting, posted & discussed earlier in this thread. Foul language warning.

Shortly after the 6 minute mark, a voice is heard explaining why the body is facing toward the police car. In the previous discussion, someone heard him to say Brown ran, then turned back on the cop. I wish someone would transcribe this although there would have to be a lot of obscenities & poliitically incorrect terms blanked-out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdL9dqkyjhM&list=UUmhRp3o1thoxFB9VOrvzz3A

[video=youtu;VdL9dqkyjhM]http://youtu.be/VdL9dqkyjhM?list=UUmhRp3o1thoxFB9VOrvzz3A[/video]

And my mom thinks I have a potty mouth.

They drop the 'F bomb', like I use the words and/it/a. Good Lord! :shame:

 

[Gardenlady]

"During his junior year, he attended McCluer High School in the neighboring Ferguson-Florissant district before returning his senior year to Normandy."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_cbafa12e-7305-5fd7-8e0e-3139f472d130.html

I know I'm in the minority on this, but that article makes me so damn sad.

We are all a mix of good and bad actions. And too, we are all products of our environment. There are so, so many opportunities for young black men in troubled communities to get lured down the wrong path. It sounds like, despite the lack of opportunity, a less than stable home environment, etc, he wanted and tried to aim for something better. He was good to his friends and loved ones, even if he was not always good to others. I don't think MB was a saint, or innocent. I think he was probably a typical teen guy, with arrogance and swagger, who picked up on behavioral norms (shoplifting, strong-arming, etc) in his milieu.

I'm not really a believer anymore, but I remember reading something in CS Lewis' "Mere Christianity" that said something to this effect: who knows what MB might have done, had the circumstances been different. Who knows what we might do, given his circumstances. Perhaps, given the circumstances of his life, he was a hero. Perhaps, given the circumstances of OUR lives, we could have done better. And that god (according to Lewis, anyway), knows what each of us is capable of, and will judge according to our own unique circumstances - not according to what others were capable of, but according to what we were capable of.

I'm explaining it badly, I hope it comes across as intended. I'm just sad at the waste and loss of life that comes across in that article.


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Byron Tau ‏@ByronTau 10m
Man hanging out in front of McDonalds says: some of "us" might start to treat reporters like the cops because "y'all pointing them cameras."



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Matt Pearce ‏@mattdpearce 4m
The mood. "Yeah, they're coming down here to be here at 12:01 and say, 'Yeah, what NOW, mother****er?'"


Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 3m
We were told street would be closed to cars on W. Florissant but that clearly hasn't happened. #Ferguson


David Carson ‏@PDPJ 3m
#Ferguson Members of New Black Panther Party warning protesters about curfew


Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 1m
Cars still on W. Florissant going up and down with several people sitting on them as they roll through #fer...

 

[Linda7NJ]

Live Feed from Ferguson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IvCejX9Q8

Not working for me

 

[SStarr33]

Bystander's 10 minute video shortly after shooting, posted & discussed earlier in this thread. Foul language warning.

Shortly after the 6 minute mark, a voice is heard explaining why the body is facing toward the police car. In the previous discussion, someone heard him to say Brown ran, then turned back on the cop. I wish someone would transcribe this although there would have to be a lot of obscenities & poliitically incorrect terms blanked-out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdL9dqkyjhM&list=UUmhRp3o1thoxFB9VOrvzz3A

[video=youtu;VdL9dqkyjhM]http://youtu.be/VdL9dqkyjhM?list=UUmhRp3o1thoxFB9VOrvzz3A[/video]

It has been transcribed--I posted it earlier but it was removed. Do some googling and you will find it.

 

[katydid23]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ouis-police-ordered-stand-Highway-Patrol.html

latest uk mail article

A couple of interesting pix here, showing where the body was in relation to the car. I don't see any blood on the back area or the tshirt at all. Very curious where the wounds will be.

Also, I didn't realize until now that it was just a small 2 lane road. So anyone walking in the roadway would be holding up traffic. And there was a sidewalk and a grass greenbelt right alongside it. So it was unnecessary to block traffic like that. jmo

 

[SStarr33]

I know I'm in the minority on this, but that article makes me so damn sad.

We are all a mix of good and bad actions. And too, we are all products of our environment. There are so, so many opportunities for young black men in troubled communities to get lured down the wrong path. It sounds like, despite the lack of opportunity, a less than stable home environment, etc, he wanted and tried to aim for something better. He was good to his friends and loved ones, even if he was not always good to others. I don't think MB was a saint, or innocent. I think he was probably a typical teen guy, with arrogance and swagger, who picked up on behavioral norms (shoplifting, strong-arming, etc) in his milieu.

I'm not really a believer anymore, but I remember reading something in CS Lewis' "Mere Christianity" that said something to this effect: who knows what MB might have done, had the circumstances been different. Who knows what we might do, given his circumstances. Perhaps, given the circumstances of his life, he was a hero. Perhaps, given the circumstances of OUR lives, we could have done better. And that god (according to Lewis, anyway), knows what each of us is capable of, and will judge according to our own unique circumstances - not according to what others were capable of, but according to what we were capable of.

I'm explaining it badly, I hope it comes across as intended. I'm just sad at the waste and loss of life that comes across in that article.


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They lost me in the title where it said "Gentle Giant".

I got punked with the family, Crump, media spin in the Trayvon Martin case. It won't happen again.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Not working for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3IvCejX9Q8

Comes and goes for me. Try clicking on the arrow in the bottom left corner. That worked for me.

 

[Gardenlady]

Maybe he was high on something like PCP or that synthetic stuff...he sure was behaving like he thought he was invincible.
IMO

How do we know he was behaving like he thought he was invincible though? I keep seeing people harp on the fact that he was in the road, but every day I am avoiding people in the road here when I'm driving. White, black, criminal, law abiding, lots of people do it. They can't all be thinking they're invincible??? Even I walk in the street sometimes, if it's quiet or at night (as I said earlier, I will walk in the street at night, for example, because the sidewalks are shadowed by the buildings).

What is the evidence that makes people think he was so "arrogant" or "like he owned the place" or "thought he was invincible" (all things I have seen said here)?


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[JLSChook]

Not working for me

Hmm, I wonder why. I just found another one in a different place, closer to LE. I hope it's okay to post:

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

 

[Zuri]

Bystander's 10 minute video shortly after shooting, posted & discussed earlier in this thread. Foul language warning.

Shortly after the 6 minute mark, a voice is heard explaining why the body is facing toward the police car. In the previous discussion, someone heard him to say Brown ran, then turned back on the cop. I wish someone would transcribe this although there would have to be a lot of obscenities & poliitically incorrect terms blanked-out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdL9dqkyjhM&list=UUmhRp3o1thoxFB9VOrvzz3A

[video=youtu;VdL9dqkyjhM]http://youtu.be/VdL9dqkyjhM?list=UUmhRp3o1thoxFB9VOrvzz3A[/video]

This video is so disturbing on so many levels. Why on earth wasn't MB body covered with a tarp? The language doesn't bother me, but the screams of his mother are heart wrenching.

ETA: After 10 minutes, an officer did cover him with a sheet. I am having a hard time with the actions of the cops in this video. JMV

 

[SStarr33]

A couple of interesting pix here, showing where the body was in relation to the car. I don't see any blood on the back area or the tshirt at all. Very curious where the wounds will be.

Also, I didn't realize until now that it was just a small 2 lane road. So anyone walking in the roadway would be holding up traffic. And there was a sidewalk and a grass greenbelt right alongside it. So it was unnecessary to block traffic like that. jmo

The most interesting picture for me is the memorial. MD 2020, other liquor and is that cough medicine? Wowowowowowowowow.

 

[katydid23]

I know I'm in the minority on this, but that article makes me so damn sad.

We are all a mix of good and bad actions. And too, we are all products of our environment. There are so, so many opportunities for young black men in troubled communities to get lured down the wrong path. It sounds like, despite the lack of opportunity, a less than stable home environment, etc, he wanted and tried to aim for something better. He was good to his friends and loved ones, even if he was not always good to others. I don't think MB was a saint, or innocent. I think he was probably a typical teen guy, with arrogance and swagger, who picked up on behavioral norms (shoplifting, strong-arming, etc) in his milieu.

I'm not really a believer anymore, but I remember reading something in CS Lewis' "Mere Christianity" that said something to this effect: who knows what MB might have done, had the circumstances been different. Who knows what we might do, given his circumstances. Perhaps, given the circumstances of his life, he was a hero. Perhaps, given the circumstances of OUR lives, we could have done better. And that god (according to Lewis, anyway), knows what each of us is capable of, and will judge according to our own unique circumstances - not according to what others were capable of, but according to what we were capable of.

I'm explaining it badly, I hope it comes across as intended. I'm just sad at the waste and loss of life that comes across in that article.


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You explained it beautifully and I understand exactly what you are saying. The loss of such great potential is truly heartbreaking. That article made me very sad as well. But mostly from what little I learned about the shooter. His mother died when he was 16 and he bounced around from place to place, and to several different schools, trying to make a stable life for himself. Life was rough. Eventually he met his future wife and went through the academy at 22. Last February he won an award for Extraordinary Effort In the Line Of Duty. And he is now devastated, distraught, inconsolable. Also an example of potential lost.