MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[jjenny]

Did you see the quote? The police handed out a packet explaining that Mike Brown was a suspect in robbery in the second degree. That's all they ever would have charged him with, not armed robbery. That's what I was trying to explain, when the discussion came up about probation.

Not armed robbery, strong armed robbery. Armed robbery involves a weapon.

 

[Yoda]

Shots being fired from the crowd according to several tweets.

 

[Boytwnmom]

from what I've read. A guy who pushed his way to a doughnut ended up in court. The essential point was made by the LE and the DA in the article:

Farmington Police Chief Rick Baker said state law treats the shoplifting and assault as forcibly stealing property. The amount of force and value of the property doesn't matter.

County Prosecutor Wendy Wexler Horn said it was "way too early to know how it is going to play out," but that the charge seemed appropriate given the store employees' allegations. She acknowledged some are questioning the seriousness of the charge.

"People are missing the point," Horn said. "It is not about the doughnut."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/10/08/missouri-man-faces-30-year-prison-term-for-stealing-52-cent-doughnut/

In another case someone stole 3 pairs of shoes and injured the store clerk dirving away and faced 5-15 yrs:

July 20, 2011
FORSYTH, Mo. -- A teenager from Springfield admitted on Wednesday that he was the getaway driver after a robbery of a shoe store in Branson in which a clerk was injured last fall. Andrew Evans could face a five- to 15-year prison sentence when he's sentenced for second-degree robbery but probably will get a lesser sentence, based on what his co-defendant received. Last January, Christopher Howard pleaded guilty for his part in the robbery. Howard took three pairs of shoes from the store. A clerk was injured when he tried to stop the getaway vehicle.

Teens who stole unamed property sentenced to 10 and 12 yrs respectively:

Teens plead guilty to robbery charges

Wednesday, September 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm Updated: 1:03 pm, Tue Jan 29, 2013.

Two teenagers pleaded guilty to robbery charges and were sentenced for their involvement in a December strong-arm robbery near a Columbia Walmart.

Dakota J. Schalk, 18, and Ethan M. Futhey, 18, each pleaded guilty to second-degree robbery. Schalk was sentenced to 12 years in prison. Futhey was ordered to serve 10 years in prison.

Columbia police responded to 3301 W. Broadway for a robbery report, and investigators were told a male victim meeting two teenage males to sell property was assaulted upon arrival. He was taken to a hospital with injuries to his eye, jaw and head, police said.

Officers identified the suspects as Schalk and Futhey, both 17 at the time, and took them into custody. The stolen property was recovered; police did not reveal what it was.

Schalk and Futhey were arrested on suspicion of second-degree robbery and second-degree assault. Schalk also was arrested on suspicion of resisting arrest.

I'm no criminal law expert but it seems like using force against a person to rob them is taken seriously and the concern is not about what specific thing was stolen but about the potential for injury to a person and the willingness of the defendent to allow the victim to be injured.

great response thank you, and from your experience this case would make it in front of a judge and charged as a felony?

thanx.

 

[Simply Caustic]

Not armed robbery, strong armed robbery. Armed robbery involves a weapon.

Right, and strong armed robbery is the same thing as robbery in the second degree.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Remnants of bottles thrown at police vehicles.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ToluseO/status/500513326238281728/photo/1

Now see... This is the time when normal truth seeking law abiding citizens with an ounce of common sense, should leave the area and go home.

Shots fired and bottles thrown is going to lead to nothing but trouble. DUH!

All IMO

 

[Simply Caustic]

Now see... This is the time when normal truth seeking law abiding citizens with an ounce of common sense, should leave the area and go home.

Shots fired and bottles thrown is going to lead to nothing but trouble. DUH!

All IMO

Frightening for the law abiding citizens of the town. I was afraid it might happen after they felt the video was revealed at a strategic time,

 

[IndDia]

Frightening for the law abiding citizens of the town. I was afraid it might happen after they felt the video was revealed at a strategic time,

It is a constitutional right to be allowed to assemble in a peaceable manner to air grievances. Maybe it isn't wise, but for those who revere and respect the constitution, it seems they would be the first defenders of such an action.

 

[katydid23]

Frightening for the law abiding citizens of the town. I was afraid it might happen after they felt the video was revealed at a strategic time,

Also, last night was a 'trial run.' They saw that SWAT was gone, no more wall of force by LE, just open streets. So tonight I think the people are going to run wild.

 

[Simply Caustic]

It is a constitutional right to be allowed to assemble in a peaceable manner to air grievances. Maybe it isn't wise, but for those who revere and respect the constitution, it seems they would be the first defenders of such an action.

Shots fired and bottles thrown doesn't sound peaceful to me, however.

 

[katydid23]

It is a constitutional right to be allowed to assemble in a peaceable manner to air grievances. Maybe it isn't wise, but for those who revere and respect the constitution, it seems they would be the first defenders of such an action.

PEACEABLE MANNER, yes. But that does not include bullets, molotov cocktails and smashed property, broken windows, etc etc.

 

[IndDia]

Shots fired and bottles thrown doesn't sound peaceful to me, however.

Can you provide a link?

 

[IndDia]

PEACEABLE MANNER, yes. But that does not include bullets, molotov cocktails and smashed property, broken windows, etc etc.

Please provide a link.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Can you provide a link?

Provided up thread

 

[IndDia]

http://nypost.com/2014/08/15/tear-gas-rioting-gives-way-to-hope-in-ferguson/

 

[IndDia]

Rubber bullets and tear gas are not peaceful either but if the right people are holding them it is evidently legal.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Rubber bullets and tear gas are not peaceful either but if the right people are holding them it is evidently legal.

Absolutely

 

[Simply Caustic]

Rubber bullets and tear gas are not peaceful either but if the right people are holding them it is evidently legal.

Well, you said peaceful protest. I merely stated that it's not, in fact, entirely peaceful. Jmo

 

[Muffet]

Now it's no the officer didn't know but yes he knew. It's one or the other.

I think if you add the reports together, it makes sense. To me, it sounds like the officer realized that they matched the BOLO description just before he stopped and came back: (note the bolds I made)

1. " Police Chief Thomas Jackson said the officer who fired the fatal shots, Darren Wilson, did not know Michael Brown was a robbery suspect when he initially stopped the teen and a companion "because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic."

Jackson told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that Wilson knew there had been a robbery in the area but did not know that Brown was a suspect."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/darren-...er-who-fatally-shot-michael-brown-identified/

2. "The officer drove away but stopped and backed up , almost hitting the pair, Johnson said. He said he wasn't sure what prompted the officer to return. (...)

"We were so close, almost inches away, that when he tried to open his door aggressively , the door ricocheted both off me and Big Mike's body... "

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-5-things/index.html.

3. Ferguson officer realized during encounter that Michael Brown might be suspect in robbery, chief says

The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.

Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street , Jackson said.

ButJackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber. "

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html
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I would guess the officer also took notice of the clothes and size of MB.

So IMO, the pieces fit if we add the reports together.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Is anybody following twitter? This was posted 20 minutes ago by Alderman Antonio French:

Antonio French @AntonioFrench · 20m

We have some instigators here. Captain Robinson, I need you here at Ferguson and West Florissant.

 

[IndDia]

Well, you said peaceful protest. I merely stated that it's not, in fact, entirely peaceful. Jmo

I agree that there were mistakes made on both sides of the issue. It's a terrible situation and the residents involved, as well as the officers assigned to the area, must be under an inordinate amount of stress. It's such a shame that lack of adequate communication can create such chaos. Stress, however, does not imo justify lawlessness - regardless of who is to blame. Under international law tear gas is considered illegal, yet it was used against peaceful journalists and protesters who were on their own private property. The actions of a few lawless individuals who attempted to light a molotov cocktail and throw rocks at police are not excusable. However, the unlawful and indiscriminate targeting of innocent and law abiding protesters by law enforcement in response to the situation is NOT acceptable and there is no defense for their actions.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...uson-police-shoot-it-at-protesters/?tid=hp_mm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html