MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[AuburnTxTiger]

Is it raining there?

Earlier when CNN was showing live video from Ferguson, Missouri, it was raining.

 

[IndDia]

Are you watching the live feed tweeting from Ferguson, Missouri?
http://livestream.com http://livestre.am/4VB4Y

Yes, I am. And they are angry and worried because an unarmed kid in their neighborhood was shot by a police officer after saying he was unarmed.

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[katydid23]

And low life terrorists (in your judgement) who are US citizens have no judicial rights? Are we living in Fallujah?
Maybe ask yourself what could drive people to such a point. Again, there is no excuse for lawlessness!! But when law enforcement is perceived and under international law is perceived as using unlawful force ....

What 'judicial rights' are you referring to?

These citizens had ALL DAy, and ALL WEEK to peaceably protest. They had live news crews from ALL THE MAJOR NETWORKS streaming nearly 24/7.

So what rights, exactly, are you referring to?

Michael Brown, HIMSELF used unlawful force on that store clerk when he robbed him. Then he brazenly marched down the middle of the street, and refused to get out of the way of blocked traffic, when initially asked by the officer.

I see no excuse for Brown's bullying, thuggish unlawful behavior either. And after seeing how he was acting out in the store, I believe he probably did assault the cop and go for the weapon. jmo :moo:

 

[MyBelle]

The statute you quoted is for armed robbery. There is no probation for armed robbery (no SIS/SES, the kind we're talking about in this case.) This is strong-arm, and a different statute.

The statute I linked is for armed criminal action. It is in addition to whatever felony is charged.

MISSOURI STATUTES AND CODES 571.015. Any person who commits any felony under the laws of this state by, with, or through the use, assistance, or aid of a dangerous instrument or deadly weapon is also guilty of the crime of armed criminal action and, upon conviction, shall be punished by imprisonment by the department of corrections and human resources for a term of not less than three years.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

What 'judicial rights' are you referring to?

These citizens had ALL DAy, and ALL WEEK to peaceably protest. They had live news crews from ALL THE MAJOR NETWORKS streaming nearly 24/7.

So what rights, exactly, are you referring to?

Michael Brown, HIMSELF used unlawful force on that store clerk when he robbed him. Then he brazenly marched down the middle of the street, and refused to get out of the way of blocked traffic, when initially asked by the officer.

I see no excuse for Brown's bullying, thuggish unlawful behavior either. And after seeing how he was acting out in the store, I believe he probably did assault the cop and go for the weapon. jmo :moo:

IMO
It most certainly is the most logical explanation.

 

[MyBelle]

Did you see the quote? The police handed out a packet explaining that Mike Brown was a suspect in robbery in the second degree. That's all they ever would have charged him with, not armed robbery. That's what I was trying to explain, when the discussion came up about probation.

The statute I linked was for Armed Criminal Action. It is in addition to the felony charge. Let's agree to disagree and move on. Thanks.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Yes, I am. And they are angry and worried because an unarmed kid in their neighborhood was shot by a police officer after saying he was unarmed.

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And their anger gives them the right to destroy someone else's property?

 

[katydid23]

A group of angry men are standing in front of the liquor store, seemingly trying to protect it from looting, and are pi$$ed that the police didn't protect it from the looters.

Some of them sound reasonable, but some of the others sound like they need to lay off the sauce and go home.

http://new.livestream.com/timcast/events/3295551

Didn't the community ASK THE COPS TO LEAVE THEM ALONE and allow the 'peaceful protests' go on without police 'interference?' :doh:

 

[IndDia]

The statute I linked is for armed criminal action. It is in addition to whatever felony is charged.

MISSOURI STATUTES AND CODES 571.015. Any person who commits any felony under the laws of this state by, with, or through the use, assistance, or aid of a dangerous instrument or deadly weapon is also guilty of the crime of armed criminal action and, upon conviction, shall be punished by imprisonment by the department of corrections and human resources for a term of not less than three years.

JMO

Michael Brown had a weapon? I would think the police would have mentioned it if that was the case.

 

[MyBelle]

At least here in SC it is not the same as "armed" robbery. It means there is some threat or danger involved in taking the item from the victim. Not just a passive crime, in other words. But it isn't the same as "armed robbery" with a weapon from the description I found.
It would be erroneous to equate "strong-armed" with "armed."

Tell that to the local cops and media, they're the ones who said Brown was a suspect in a strong-armed robbery, 2nd degree.

 

[IndDia]

Tell that to the local cops and media, they're the ones who said Brown was a suspect in a strong-armed robbery, 2nd degree.

Which is NOT "armed robbery". No dispute about that - it's a FACT. And suspect does not equal CONVICT.

 

[katydid23]

Michael Brown had a weapon? I would think the police would have mentioned it if that was the case.

He used his 'physical strength' to STRONG ARM the clerk during a robbery. That elevayes it from shoplifting to a 2nd degree robbery. A strong-armed robbery.

 

[Simply Caustic]

The statute I linked is for armed criminal action. It is in addition to whatever felony is charged.

MISSOURI STATUTES AND CODES 571.015. Any person who commits any felony under the laws of this state by, with, or through the use, assistance, or aid of a dangerous instrument or deadly weapon is also guilty of the crime of armed criminal action and, upon conviction, shall be punished by imprisonment by the department of corrections and human resources for a term of not less than three years.

JMO

And that's not the statute in question. I'm not on my laptop so I can't requote the proper statute, but it's up thread. The accurate statute relates to robbery in the second degree. That's a different charge from armed robbery which is what you are quoting.

We've already went over this. It is written in Newsweek. It's not armed robbery, plain and simple. If you disagree with Newsweek, that's fine, that's your opinion. But you clearly aren't agreeing with what's written and that's fine, I respect your opinion.

 

[Linda7NJ]

My kids, now grown, are mixed race. Neither of them have been attacked or threatened by cops. They have probably even sneezed in front of cops before.

Imagine that!

My own has also never had a problem, granted he's only 16...but he's 6'2" and pretty buff.

 

[Simply Caustic]

It's funny, people say they're frightened of the cops...but they're looting in plain sight of the entire force! That's not fear. That's blatant disregard for the rules and regulations that we all have to live by.
And, common decency, which is evidently lacking. Jmo

 

[Simply Caustic]

Which is NOT "armed robbery". No dispute about that - it's a FACT.

Correct. This is such a painful conversation because I feel like we aren't understanding each other on this subject lol. Armed robbery is NOT strong armed robbery.

Strong armed robbery IS second degree robbery,

Not my opinion, fact.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's funny, people say they're frightened of the cops...but they're looting in plain sight of the entire force! That's not fear. That's blatant disregard for the rules and regulations that we all have to live by.
And, common decency, which is evidently lacking. Jmo

Kinda like the attitude of the 18 year old dead kid. IMO

 

[IndDia]

Just to be informed:
Gassing your own population is against the Geneva Convention.
http://www.state.gov/t/isn/4784.htm

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Just to be informed:
Gassing your own population is against the Geneva Convention.
http://www.state.gov/t/isn/4784.htm

What should law enforcement do to stop the looting and rioting?

 

[Simply Caustic]

What should law enforcement do to stop the looting and rioting?

Protect the stores. But, stay out of their protest. Protect the streets, but don't impugn upon their freedom to protest! Stay away, come closer, more, now, again.

At least that's how it feels, to me. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.