MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[LiveLaughLuv]

Do you have a link for that photo because what you have posted isn't MSM, TY

Not MSM but twitter...

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I didn't stay up watching all night, so I'm trying to catch up this morning. Do I understand correctly that some business were looted and LE did nothing? I read somewhere that citizens were trying to protect the liquor store.
Where were the police, you know, the ones called in?

If my assumptions are incorrect, please correct me. There is enough trouble already without my possibly incorrect take on this mess. Txs.

When police showed up and were sending a visual message of enforcement, that supposedly incited the crowd. When they backed away, they are now being questioned where are they?

Protesting
/riots never serve a neighborhood well. There are many case histories of such in Dallas, Chicago, LA, and Newark.
What happens is that the local businesses leave, there is little to no response from LE or LE refuses to go into certain neighborhoods. Crime rates rise, and there is profound unemployment.

Somehow I think Fergus*n will be just like the above mentioned places after this is all done.

moo

 

[popsicle]

Not MSM but twitter...

It has to be the twitter from MSM

 

[popsicle]

Retweeted by FOX2now
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George Sells ‏@GeorgeSells 11m
Police now showing up in looted area. @FOX2now #ferguson






FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 3m​

State PD document looting/damage at #Ferguson store 5hrs after breakin; this is 1st response. pic.twitter.com/NnBfNz9aKg - via @andybankertv

Retweeted by FOX2now
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Andy Banker ‏@andybankertv 3m
Damage-looting at #Ferguson beauty supp and Ferg Mkt & liq. State PD drove by without stopping @FOX2now owners livid

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[Trident]

WOW, just wow. Is this the way trust and better relations between LE and community were supposed to be inspired? Maybe it is.

I read on here, that today, Saturday, there would be something the protestors liked. What are they going to do, give them the keys to WalMart so they don't have to break in?

I'm seeing something here that makes me want to puke.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

It has to be the twitter from MSM

is talking points memo allowed here. Don't know if your correct that twitter can't be posted. I've been posting twitter, not from MSM for a while..haven't been told what you are telling me above...

 

[vulture]

I think there are some in that neighborhood who know what happened regarding the burning down of the QT, but they won't say a word because they're either trying to cover up for someone or they're directly involved in the arson.

I will say that when I worked in the Wal-Mart in this area, it was kind of an eye opener to realize how much crime is a part of some people's daily lives even if they are not really criminals themselves. How much of their income comes from illegal activities? Are their family members selling food stamps (I know there aren't "stamps" now but there were when I worked there), selling stolen merchandise, selling drugs, selling stolen scrap metal or bricks, is that where part of their income comes from? In a lot of cases I think people are hostile to the police because they really have been treated unfairly. Yes I believe this happens and I know law-abiding black citizens who 100% believe this happens and I believe them. In other cases I think they are hostile because the police want to stop where their money comes from (I'm not referring to only one race here). Or they are under the control of or in fear of people who don't want their income threatened (don't they always say follow the money?). So I'll listen to the witnesses statements with an open mind, until or if they get discredited, but I want to see how well they match the forensic evidence before deciding for sure what I think about the shooting itself.

I think it was probably a good idea to change the style of policing just to calm things down. It really does make things go more smoothly when the people trying to run things are a mixture of races and not all one race. I witnessed that on my job, being white managing a store where the majority of patrons and crew were black. It just looks better. You want to treat people as individuals and promote the best people, and it's better when the talent pool is diverse! I was once asked my opinion on who should be promoted next, and I named a black woman and my boss said "she already turned it down". Bummer! I said I'm not really enthusiastic about anyone else right now but if I think of anyone I'll let you know. So it sounds like my eye for talent once I'd worked with someone was ok, though all my hires didn't work out! I was never told what race of people to try to hire or promote or recommend to be let go, and I wouldn't make decisions on race anyway, but my job was a lot easier if the talent pool was diverse! There was a discussion on the radio yesterday about why the mayor of Ferguson was white, and I was surprised to learn that in the last mayoral election only 12% of the citizens voted and there were no black people running. A black caller on the show (he identified himself as such) said he might run next time. That would be good. It's sad that you have to think about it at all but it really does look better if the government is more diverse.

There was a discussion about why the Ferguson police force is mostly white. One theory is that other departments pay better than Ferguson and if you are black you have more choices of jobs. I don't know if this is true, but if I was in charge of what officers to hire, all things being equal I would prefer the pool of talent to be diverse and roughly reflect the community we were in. Is the pool of black talent in policing smaller than white and they are in more demand so can work in communities that pay better? I don't know but some people stated they believe this is true. Technically it is probably illegal to consider race when hiring but morally I have no objection to making the force reflect the community racially if everyone is equally qualified. I would like more information on this topic to know what is really going on.

This is really uncomfortable for me to write because it reflects a sad reality that there are some black people will never trust a white person and some white people will never trust a black person but I hope most people judge people as individuals. While working at the Wal-Mart a white woman once requested an escort to her car. A common request. The closest male associate was black. I asked him if he would escort her out. She pulled me aside and said "can I get a white boy to go with me." I was thunderstruck. This was one time where I really had a hard time thinking quickly about how to handle this. First priority is to make sure the black associate does not know she said this. I said "It turns out she's not ready to go yet, but thank you." He went about his business away from us, thank God. Next thing in my mind - what white males are working tonight, (security guy on duty that night, whose job it really is if all else fails, was black), I couldn't think of any! And even if I could is this a request I should try to meet at all? I didn't really want to. What I really wanted to do was say too bad, I'll walk you out or no one will, but the instinct to make customers happy is very strong! Thank God my boss (white male, only white male in the store at the time) saw my confusion and said "I'll walk her out". I had forgotten about my boss, I guess my usual practice was to try to shield whatever boss I was working under that night from anything possible and not kick things up to them unless absolutely necessary (usually I was second in command of the store while I was there - I could make nearly any decision running the store that they could except maybe fire people on the spot or open the safe but if I didn't know what to do I had someone to go to, thank God). I asked my Mom later about what I should have done. She said she would have told the woman that I know the guy and he's ok. I said that's a good idea, but he was brand new I didn't know him at all! Though I had no reason not to think he was ok either. What do you think I should have done?

People should treat each other as individuals, Police should treat the people as individuals, and the citizens should treat the police as individuals. If any good can come of this I hope it's an open and honest dialogue about how to do things better in the future. There are predators who don't think people who want to live crime-free have any rights at all and they have certain tools in their toolbox to make sure they dominate a community and twist people's perceptions in whatever way it takes to make their crime activities easier. Is martyring themselves in a suicide by cop scenario one of these tools? Don't many criminal types not expect to live very long or even want to anyway? I can never get in the mind of such a person to know what they are thinking but that's the impression I have, based on what I really don't know specifically, does anyone have any thoughts on this?

I worked with a mother at the Wal-Mart whose two (adult) children were working there also. Very nice family. She told me she had taught her daughter while driving not to make eye contact with anyone at a stop light, and her son not to run down the street because people will think he stole something. This is the reality some people live with every day. If any better understanding between races can be reached I think part of the key is getting to actually know people of other races and not segregate yourselves but I understand why some people want to. When you actually know people you have more empathy for whatever they are going through. St. Louis has the reputation of a fairly segregated city, it's possible to nearly segregate yourself if you really want to. I don't think it's healthy though. If you extend trust to someone and they abuse it, it's harder to extend it again. It's sometimes not easy to remember that this is an individual, not a whole group.

When I was in college a friend of mine and I were recruiting people for the Outdoor Club and I noticed my friend was inviting white women to talk to us about the club and not black (I think he wanted to not only recruit for the club but possible dates as well!), I asked him why and he said "Black people don't like the outdoors that much." I said how do you know, why don't you let them decide whether they like it or not? We eventually got two to come to a meeting and they told me they felt a little weird being the only black folks and I said I hope you stick it out for awhile, I want you here, maybe more will join if you are there, but they didn't come back. Sad. Do I blame them? No. But it was disappointing.

When I worked at a hardware store, we had a conversation about black-white self-segregation in the break room. At the time there were two nightclubs close to each other on the other side of the river in Illinois, one was called the OZ and one was called the WIZ. The patrons at the OZ were mostly white and the WIZ was mostly black. We were talking about why that is and one of the other employees asked me, do you feel weird being the only white person in the break room right now. I said I didn't notice until you pointed it out but when I first started working here I would have noticed. That's not because I object in any way, it's because I'm not used to it. But it does help me understand better what it's like to be in the minority.

I'm rambling here and have to get going, but I wanted to share the things I've been thinking about over the last few days and share a little bit about what goes on in the mind of one white person that grew up in North St. Louis County. For those who aren't from around there it might help to understand the baggage that comes with this situation.

 

[popsicle]

Police will be holding a press conference at 2pm to address the looting that occurred overnight.

[h=1]Store owners guard Ferguson businesses with their own guns[/h]
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/16/store-owners-guard-ferguson-stores-with-their-own-guns/

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

We don't know what happened until we see the video and get numerous witness statements.
We know the officer went to the emergency room.
We've seen the character of the deceased in a previous theft.
But we can not assume what happened.
We do not know if the deceased attempted to surrender or attempted to assault.

Don't assume, please.

I'm not assuming, I'm going by witness accounts..not one witness corroborates the officer's thru the Chief's account. Then going my the officer's lady friend who spoke out on a radio show, told of the last shot was in the forehead...how is that okay?

please do not tell me not to assume. I don't believe you should be doing that...

 

[popsicle]

FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 9m
St. Louis County Police say they were told to stand down by the Missouri State Highway Patrol #Ferguson

 

[popsicle]

FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 5m
Pastor calls for looters to stand down and police to step up #STL http://ift.tt/1v0FTjx

 

[Sonya610]

For those like me who are just waking up and trying to catch up....interesting video clip of the Market (presumably the liquor store that was robbed?) about to be looted.

Totally OT but when gun owners refer to a zombie apocalypse well...they aren't referring to actual zombies.

[video=youtu;oX2DFa9Qt1Q]http://youtu.be/oX2DFa9Qt1Q[/video]

 

[oh_gal]

If his gun discharged in the cruiser as the Police Chief reported, it is not a "nifty excuse." Officers must provide an explanation for whenever their weapon discharges and this officer received facial injuries. If the bullet had struck the officer, Mr. Brown would be facing life in prison or the death penalty.

JMO

And there would still be those supporting him, saying, "He was only protecting himself! He's a good kid! And he wasn't really robbing the store and manhandling the clerk...he was pushing him out of the way of an oncoming car headed straight for the store's front window....yeah...he's a hero!"

 

[Sonya610]

Aftermath of Ferguson Liquor store looting:

[video=youtu;IUpMzP6OfB4]http://youtu.be/IUpMzP6OfB4[/video]

 

[Sonya610]

[/FONT][/COLOR][h=1]Store owners guard Ferguson businesses with their own guns[/h]
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/16/store-owners-guard-ferguson-stores-with-their-own-guns/

Great link. So many people can't understand why citizens would want/need AR style rifles like the one being held by the owner in the video; a small capacity hand gun would be little comfort when facing a mob of looters.

 

[vulture]

Great link. So many people can't understand why citizens would want/need AR style rifles like the one being held by the owner in the video; a small capacity hand gun would be little comfort when facing a mob of looters.

Yes. We know that in most cases if someone really wants us dead if we call 911 the best anyone can do is try to solve the crime after we are dead. It might be better to actually BE dead than to have death threats and the media after you for the rest of your life or be jailed if you successfully defend your life. One reason I have not taken on the responsibility of gun ownership yet though I have given it much thought. It IS a big responsibility and most of the time I don't feel like I need it. But who knows? A predator could be anywhere. We just know the odds are better in some places at certain times of the day than others.

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]A Youth, an Officer and 2 Paths to a Fatal Encounter[/h]
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/1...aths-to-a-fatal-encounter.html?referrer=&_r=0

Tidbits of info on each.

 

[Sonya610]

It IS a big responsibility and most of the time I don't feel like I need it. But who knows?

Much better to have it and NOT need it, than need it and NOT have it.

As far as death threats against those that do use force in defense of their life, that is mostly a big pile of hoopla. Fact is those "threatening" would rather loot liquor stores. The likelihood of anyone actually going after the individual is practically nil.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

[h=1]A Youth, an Officer and 2 Paths to a Fatal Encounter[/h]
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/1...aths-to-a-fatal-encounter.html?referrer=&_r=0

Tidbits of info on each.

from the link above...

They were stopped not because the police were looking for a robbery suspect, Chief Jackson said Friday, but “because they were walking down the street blocking traffic.”

Devin Stone, 28, a friend of Mr. Brown’s, was home in his apartment at the time, across the street from the place where the men were confronted by the police.

Sitting outside his building, Mr. Stone said he was jolted by the sound of two gunshots, followed by several more in rapid succession. The second series of shots “sounded automatic,” he said. “They let it rip.”

Mr. Stone ran outside and saw two police officers, both white men, standing near Mr. Brown, who was lying on his stomach, his arms at his sides, blood seeping from his head. Another neighbor, a woman who identified herself as a nurse, was begging the officers to let her perform CPR.

They refused, Mr. Stone said, adding, “They didn’t even check to see if he was breathing.”

On Friday, speaking to reporters, Chief Jackson said the shooting was “absolutely devastating” to Officer Wilson. “He never intended for any of this to happen.”

so, the stop had nothing to do with the store theft..as it has been said many times..

I just hope the FBI/DOJ get to the truth.

 

[Frydaddy]

It has been established WITHOUT A DOUBT that Michael Brown was NOT stopped for "probable cause" in a robbery. It has been stated unequivocally that Michael Brown was not known to the officer who stopped him and it was NOT based on any suspicion of him being a SUSPECT!!! Please people, READ the FACTS of the case before commenting! http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/15/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html

All the facts???

Hours later, however, Jackson told a slightly different story to CNN and NBC, saying that Wilson noticed Brown was carrying a box of cigars that had been reported stolen. Wilson, he said, initially stopped Brown for blocking traffic, but as he began driving past Brown, he noticed Brown was holding cigars.

At that point, Wilson "made the connection" that Brown might have been involved in a theft that had just been broadcast on police radio, Jackson said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...souri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/