MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #22

[Lovejac]

OH OH!

Laura Hettiger KMOV ‏@LauraKHettiger 13m
En route to possible fire near Canfield Apts. in #Ferguson. Smoke billowing above Florissant Ave @kmov pic.twitter.com/U6pgdzU6Fg
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Hope no one is hurt!

 

[sonjay]

That's been my stance for quite some time. Imagine all the spontaneous You Tube videos you've seen in your lifetime, acts caught on tape at nearly the exact time something extraordinary happens. Six people have stated they saw Mike Brown gunned down, none of them took video for a minimum of nine minutes. Add to that the questionable material from the three that gets minimized or ignored, add to that no one can state a single stitch of evidence that exists from the main three first witnesses, add to that that four people saw this "tussle" from three different angles yet explained it the same way, and saw the shooting but explained it four different ways. I'm just at a loss for words to explain how illogical it all is.

You are soooo right. The descriptions by the alleged witnesses don't make sense individually, and they especially don't make sense when considered together. Then, when we add in the statements that we absolutely know to be false, such as the body lying in the street uncovered for hours, and MB didn't steal the Swishers, and so forth, I just have to dismiss all of the witness stories that fit the narrative. I'm sorry, but I don't have any reason to believe any of them. The "overheard guy" on the one video wasn't talking to the media and wasn't trying to promote a particular narrative, so his story has the ring of truth to me, but the rest of 'em simply have no credibility.

 

[sonjay]

OH OH!

Laura Hettiger KMOV ‏@LauraKHettiger 13m
En route to possible fire near Canfield Apts. in #Ferguson. Smoke billowing above Florissant Ave @kmov pic.twitter.com/U6pgdzU6Fg
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Seeing tweets that it's the MB memorial on fire.

 

[Frydaddy]

I just re-watched this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FTSPGly6NM

She is asked, "When did you decide to start recording" and she answered "When I saw the man lying there in the street. I was like, it's a dead body in the middle of my street. I must get this on film."

Things that make you go "hmmmm......."

I found this one compelling on a number of levels. (NSFW due to language) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq5CSN-Bly8

 

[sonjay]

I found this one compelling on a number of levels. (NSFW due to language) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq5CSN-Bly8

Yes, that one's interesting. Apparently heartfelt exclamations & shock, but nothing about "They shot him while he was surrendering." Apparently recorded before she went downstairs and got filled in on the narrative to promote.

(Fortunately I'm self-employed & work at home, so anything is SFW for me.)

 

[Klood-N]

Yeah if you only crack your window the cops probably think your car reeks of pot and you are trying to hide the odor. Course if you ARE trying to hide something in the car then that is a good strategy.

If you are pulled over for a traffic violation then just be pleasant and accept the ticket, every time I have been pulled over it was justified so why make the situation unpleasant?

I really think this goes to the prejudices of the protestors in the community. It seems like they believe all nonblacks not only have it in for them, but that nonblacks lives are so very different from theirs. They don't seem to realize many people get pulled over, many people get tickets, we all deal with registering vehicles, carrying insurance, obtaining ID, signing up to vote, etc. it's part of life, for all Americans. It seems to be part of a persecution complex and gross assumptions like, "Bet if I wasn't black, I wouldn't have to fix my broken taillight" or some such. They need to stop thinking they know what everyone else's attitudes and experiences are (and resenting them) and recognize we are all subject to the laws in our area.

Makes me think Michael may well have absorbed this idea that all nonblacks have it easy and are pushing us down. Felt entitled to take what he wanted, like demanding an arrest or demanding a street be shut down. Frankly, LE and authorities there seem too understanding in some instances. He clearly didn't care about the store clerk, people trying to drive on the only road in and out, or the officer. It's amazing to me people want to think an officer securing his environment during a stop is a scandal, but Michael hitting Wilson and struggling for the gun don't matter.

Seems whatever fits their distorted worldview is blindly accepted and whatever challenges it is tossed aside or part of the grand conspiracy against them. I wonder how many actually read through that flier, and how many closed the file or crumpled the paper, saying it's all lies. Michael could have just listened to the officer, stepped on the sidewalk, stopped the attack and froze, and he'd be alive today, I bet. In jail or prison, but alive.

 

[bettybaby00]

:floorlaugh: reading the Average Joe's response

:lol: too funny!

 

[Klood-N]

Love it! Now the protesters and activists are protesting against each other :hilarious:

Rage against whoever

 

[CHERIE.T]

Rage against whoever

:laughing:

 

[reedus23]

Kind of, yeah. LOL

If you are at work, and say something wrong or do something stupid, and none of your clients/customers complain, and none of your coworkers complain, then YES, you are home free. Unless your boss has secret cameras set up...

I completely understand it makes it harder to prove but let's say I sexually harassed a woman at work but she never reports it. A year later I sexually harass another later who does report it and a lawsuit is filed. During the course of discovery they learn of this prior harassment. I can guarantee you that the prior incident of harassment will be looked into and used at trial.

 

[Klood-N]

I was also conspicuously absent during the I-70 march, and e-mailed Maria Chappelle Nadal (she's the one who invited me to attend) to explain exactly why I would not be there.

I wonder how many protestors Nadal is in direct contact with, in addition to having her own interns "enforce" her desired street shutdown, since Chief Jackson wouldn't do what she ordered. :tantrum:
She's certainly in the thick of this. If she hasn't been arrested yet or facing recall, she should be.

 

[TheDuchess]

I really think this goes to the prejudices of the protestors in the community. It seems like they believe all nonblacks not only have it in for them, but that nonblacks lives are so very different from theirs. They don't seem to realize many people get pulled over, many people get tickets, we all deal with registering vehicles, carrying insurance, obtaining ID, signing up to vote, etc. it's part of life, for all Americans. It seems to be part of a persecution complex and gross assumptions like, "Bet if I wasn't black, I wouldn't have to fix my broken taillight" or some such. They need to stop thinking they know what everyone else's attitudes and experiences are (and resenting them) and recognize we are all subject to the laws in our area.

Makes me think Michael may well have absorbed this idea that all nonblacks have it easy and are pushing us down. Felt entitled to take what he wanted, like demanding an arrest or demanding a street be shut down. Frankly, LE and authorities there seem too understanding in some instances. He clearly didn't care about the store clerk, people trying to drive on the only road in and out, or the officer. It's amazing to me people want to think an officer securing his environment during a stop is a scandal, but Michael hitting Wilson and struggling for the gun don't matter.

Seems whatever fits their distorted worldview is blindly accepted and whatever challenges it is tossed aside or part of the grand conspiracy against them. I wonder how many actually read through that flier, and how many closed the file or crumpled the paper, saying it's all lies. Michael could have just listened to the officer, stepped on the sidewalk, stopped the attack and froze, and he'd be alive today, I bet. In jail or prison, but alive.

https://screen.yahoo.com/white-000000112.html

Don't you know that THIS ^ is how we live?

 

[LambChop]

Let's try to go back on topic and stay there. It is clear that people react differently when stopped by officers and I believe hearing that gives us an understanding of why people may feel the way they do. It's just a different perception that helps us understand why people are protesting. So let's move on because the incident would not be considered misconduct.

Thanks, Lambchop

 

[reedus23]

yep, that's right. But stick around, we'll be questioned on why we discount her eyewitness testimony. All 4 different versions of it :biggrin:

Nothing wrong with questioning witness testimony. I do it, not just with Crenshaw, Johnson, Mitchell and others, but also with Jackson, Belmar and eventually OW. To discount it completely as if it won't be considered at all is where I part ways. The GJ may very well review the witness testimony in light of ALL of the evidence and determine that they're not credible as well. I take no issue with that at all. Haven't read the last couple pages and not going to because it seems to be the same things being discussed again and not interested in opening up that whole debate again. Just wanted to make clear that personally I think it's absolutely right to question witness testimony. It's a different thing to think it won't be presented at all or that it will automatically be dismissed by the GJ.

 

[Klood-N]

We counted at least 10 tea candles at #MikeBrown teddy bear memorial on Canfield. No injuries @KMOV #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/E8xiqHdjX8
https://twitter.com/LauraKHettiger/status/514390253139161089

Were candles left lit next to combustible material overnight?

 

[Klood-N]

Police Officer Training

get out of the driver’s seat – Sitting behind the wheel of your patrol car is just about the worst place to be if the person you have stopped decides to attack you. So, when initiating the stop, get out quickly.
http://www.bluesheepdog.com/traffic-stop-survival-tips-for-police-officers/

Sounds like this is exactly what Darren attempted to do, twice. Get out of his vehicle, but Michael shoved him back in. Dorian's story flies in the face of logic and training.

 

[Sonya610]

I really think this goes to the prejudices of the protestors in the community. It seems like they believe all nonblacks not only have it in for them, but that nonblacks lives are so very different from theirs. They don't seem to realize many people get pulled over, many people get tickets, we all deal with registering vehicles, carrying insurance, obtaining ID, signing up to vote, etc. it's part of life, for all Americans.

There is another factor at play; people naturally start to hate that which they fear. I don't hate or fear the police in large part because I do not engage in illegal activities, the worst that can happen is I may get ticketed for a traffic violation which isn't a big deal. When I see a police car behind me I don't think "Oh crickey, is this going to be a problem? What is he doing? He is pulling my plates?".

Now in communities where illegal activities are very wide spread (marijuana, no car insurance, driving while under the influence, possible warrants for various things etc...) that changes. They DO have reason to fear the police because they know they could get arrested, and even if they personally aren't breaking the law there is a very good chance they have friends and family that DO habitually break the law.

 

[DebinGA]

"She's mentally unstable," said Jamilla Nasheed of fellow politico Maria Chappelle-Nadal.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/04/08/senator-opposing-local-control-mentally-unstable/

You be the judge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdOEaTzYA9A

 

[Klood-N]

Except Dorian and Michael didn't seem concerned or fearful at all when they saw the LE vehicle coming towards them, or when Wilson ordered them on to the sidewalk. Just generalized fear of police would have been to run or move even before the officer reached you.

 

[sonjay]

Sounds like this is exactly what Darren attempted to do, twice. Get out of his vehicle, but Michael shoved him back in. Dorian's story flies in the face of logic and training.

Yes, of course it does. Common sense tells us that a cop would never try to reach out of his window and try to pull someone into the car. That idea is patently absurd.

Basically, it was simply the best story that DJ & his compatriots could come up with, though, to explain the "tussle" at the car.