MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[Phoebeb]

Shep Smith on live now on FOX. Getting ready to talk about officer pointing guns at crowd. "Officer Go _____ Yourself", who was removed

 

[Irish_Eyes]

No, but if he was clutching his shot arm with his good arm and kind of doubling over (maybe trying to put pressure on it?) that might look like he was holding his stomach, and might also explain why his head would be tilted downward. JMO

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Could MB have been cradling his arm with the gunshot wounds into his stomach? Because I could see that happening once hit in the arm pulling that arm in toward the stomach area with the uninjured one. Just specualtion

Jinx! haha - great minds think alike

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Haha... your post reminds me of the Republican Rep from NM or AZ (forget her name)- she said she and her husband were lifelong dems until they watched a GOP convention, looked at each other, and said, omg! We're Republicans! haha...
Bill gets fired up on a lot of subjects, it's true, but I agree with many many things he says! (And he says he is not of any party, he's Independent)
His take on the treatment of Officer Wilson is right on target for me

Yes, that's Governor Susana Martinez of New Mexico - I remember that speech, it made me laugh too.

 

[CHERIE.T]

lol

Last night I could have sworn one dude was shouting, "No chest hair! No pee!" (Maybe I need to take the "rubber bullets" out of my ears).

hahaaaaaa woke the dog.

 

[popsicle]

The crowd has gotten bigger

 

[jjenny]

Has anyone heard that it may not have been a robbery? I guess the owner never called it in and that it was someone in the store. I don't know what to think about that. If true, then MB wouldn't have been as apprehensive of being stopped by DW. OTOH, when DW heard the BOLO he would have had no way to know if in fact it was all just a misunderstanding at that time, so it really doesn't change anything from his mindset and actions.

Then I found this. I'd actually heard about it a few days ago, but from a non-MSM blog so I was skeptical. But the LA Times seems to confirm these as Brown's own songs. On one hand, they break my heart. The one called "Feel My Pain" seems to be him talking a little about how he perceives his life, that his mom didn't care, that she put his siblings first, etc. I don't impugn his mother because I know having a teenager that sometimes they feel that way and it's just teen angst, no matter what their background. But it also does kind of show how even though he was 18, he still was a teenager with those same teen angsts and fears.

Then I get to the song the above blogs had quoted and my skepticism in part was because the lyrics were so damning. It's the song featuring his friend and it's Freestyle from 8/5. (The link to his Soundcloud is within the LA Times article on the video which is why I'm not producing a separate link.) He clearly doesn't have a lot of love for white people. Maybe this was less about DW being a cop than him being a white dude? If the date is accurate the song was posted just a few days before his death. IDK. Regardless, it just makes me so sad for him, to have that kind of attitude, and at such a young age.

http://graphics.latimes.com/towergraphic-michael-browns-raps/

The owner through his lawyer said he never called it in, a customer did. But he didn't deny that it was a robbery.
So, no, I haven't heard any serious claims that it wasn't a robbery.

 

[liloleme]

Has anyone heard that it may not have been a robbery? I guess the owner never called it in and that it was someone in the store. I don't know what to think about that. If true, then MB wouldn't have been as apprehensive of being stopped by DW. OTOH, when DW heard the BOLO he would have had no way to know if in fact it was all just a misunderstanding at that time, so it really doesn't change anything from his mindset and actions.

No, I heard the opposite. That it was exactly as the video shows- a strong arm robbery. The store owner's attorney was interviewed and recounted the robbery. And, common sense tells me that little man isn't going to confront MB- a guy 2-3 times his size if it wasn't a robbery.

 

[katydid23]

a video none of the reporters knew even existed. INteresting point.

I think some of the local reporters DID know about it. Any of the local crime reporters who listen to the scanner would put 2and 2 together. And tyere were 'rumours' before the video was released, about the victim having robbed a store right before the shooting. So I think someone did know about the robbery. Maybe one of the customers in the store told someone, who told someone, etc.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

This is coming from a Black Man! And I think it needs to be heard! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B092acMImJE I found it on a youtube video, taking the facebook page down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B092acMImJE

I heard him before somewhere. I don't remember where. I think I remember he was a preacher? Minister? I liked what he had to say.

 

[Phoebeb]

omg... I'm sure he doesn't have a lot of support in Ferguson... wow though!

This is coming from a Black Man! And I think it needs to be heard! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B092acMImJE I found it on a youtube video, taking the facebook page down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B092acMImJE

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is coming from a Black Man! And I think it needs to be heard! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B092acMImJE I found it on a youtube video, taking the facebook page down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B092acMImJE

I love that guy!
Iirc he's a pastor or minister or something...similar.


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[bwt42]

I'm a few hours behind, so , sorry if this has already been covered.

Originally Posted by bwt42 On the way to the health club today I heard on ABC news, McCulluch will introduce the tape of theunknown witness that said MB rushed the officer. BBM

BBM


Respectfully, I doubt it.
IDK about a recording like this being played for a GJ,
but I'd put a wad of $$$ on a recording of an anonymous witness NOT being admitted to evidence in a trial.
Operative word = unidentified, meaning defendant/LEO Wilson's atty has no chance to cross-examine the witness.
You know, one of those pesky rights, Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution ... ,the right to confront witnesses.
(at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution see links to ct cases)

If someone steps forward and says, hey, that's me, I'm on the recording, well, diff story.
Imo, could poss be admitted into evd .
Defendant's atty could have tech tests- voice prints, etc done to verify it as whoever. Or to exclude as source of voice.

Def's atty could cross examine witness, ask questions about bias, where were you, how could you see from that angle,
do you wear glasses or contacts, were you wearing them, etc.

I only reported what I heard on ABC radio. McCulluch to play tape for GJ. I know there was a lot of concern by posters that the tape should by preserved for evidence. As to if it could be played for GJ, I don't know. I assume the rules on what can be presented to the GJ are different than @ trial.

 

[popsicle]

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[mdana]

I'm not aware of any Navy base in the Kansas City area. The largest body of water is the Missouri River.

The draft still required a physical and did have exemptions from the service for those with physical or mental disorders. The military doesn't cause suicide. What military service instills is discipline and understanding and that there is no "I" in team. Most young men learned that from their fathers back then and, if they didn't then their military service reinforced it. Today, we have rudderless young people disrupting an entire community with violence and endangering the lives of everybody.

JMO

Ugh...

Garnder, KS is 30-35 miles to downtown KC, KS or MO.

Naval Air Station Olathe


Naval Air Station Olathe is a former United States Navy base located in Gardner, Kansas. On its grounds at one point was Olathe Air Force Station. After it was closed, it was redeveloped into New Century AirCenter.

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After World War II, NAS Olathe was used for flight operations by units of the Naval Air Reserve and Marine Air Reserve, as well as a Naval Air Technical Training Center Olathe (NATTC Olathe), a training center for active duty USN and USMC enlisted personnel. During the Korean War, NAS Olathe-based Naval Reserve Fighter Squadron 774 (VF 774) was recalled to active duty for two years, including six months of action aboard the aircraft carrier USS Boxer (CV-21).[4]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Station_Olathe

Although historically, the suicide death rates in the U.S. Army have been below the civilian rate, the suicide rate in the U.S. Army began climbing in the early 2000s, and by 2008, it exceeded the demographically-matched civilian rate (20.2 suicide deaths per 100,000 vs. 19.2). Concerns about this increase led to a partnership between the Army and the NIMH to identify risks.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/scienc...y-points-to-risk-and-protective-factors.shtml

In personal experience, I had a cousin commit suicide in Florida around 6 weeks after he returned from Iraq. I don't think any one thing causes suicide, but I don't agree military service is the answer for all young men. We will just have to agree to disagree.

-JMO

 

[jjenny]

I think some of the local reporters DID know about it. Any of the local crime reporters who listen to the scanner would put 2and 2 together. And tyere were 'rumours' before the video was released, about the victim having robbed a store right before the shooting. So I think someone did know about the robbery. Maybe one of the customers in the store told someone, who told someone, etc.

Could have been the guy who was with him that told.

 

[bwt42]

I'm a few hours behind, so , sorry if this has already been covered.

Originally Posted by bwt42 On the way to the health club today I heard on ABC news, McCulluch will introduce the tape of theunknown witness that said MB rushed the officer. BBM

BBM


Respectfully, I doubt it.
IDK about a recording like this being played for a GJ,
but I'd put a wad of $$$ on a recording of an anonymous witness NOT being admitted to evidence in a trial.
Operative word = unidentified, meaning defendant/LEO Wilson's atty has no chance to cross-examine the witness.
You know, one of those pesky rights, Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution ... ,the right to confront witnesses.
(at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution see links to ct cases)

If someone steps forward and says, hey, that's me, I'm on the recording, well, diff story.
Imo, could poss be admitted into evd .
Defendant's atty could have tech tests- voice prints, etc done to verify it as whoever. Or to exclude as source of voice.

Def's atty could cross examine witness, ask questions about bias, where were you, how could you see from that angle,
do you wear glasses or contacts, were you wearing them, etc.

The tape supported the defendents version.

 

[AuburnTxTiger]

Thank You. Wow.

And he came back from vacation to broadcast tonight

 

[bettybaby00]

I only reported what I heard on ABC radio. McCulluch to play tape for GJ. I know there was a lot of concern by posters that the tape should by preserved for evidence. As to if it could be played for GJ, I don't know. I assume the rules on what can be presented to the GJ are different than @ trial.

I posted a link earlier, last thread maybe. Anyway, yes, the can admit evidence to a GJ that ultimately might not make into evidence/is inadmissible at trial.

 

[Frydaddy]

If I may be so bold as to summarize their frustration as I understand it.

They feel ostracized for their perspective on the case. They want to be able to post in other threads and not burn bridges with other posters. I am not going to guilt people into doing something that makes them feel uncomfortable, even if it would not stop me from posting. I have stated I can hold down the fort if they need to take a break, so to speak.

This is not a complaint just my perspective. This website is way to conservative and authoritarian for my taste:jail:, but I appreciate the information it exposes, I can't get anywhere else. So I post when I feel like I have something to add. I lurk most of the time, because someone has more knowledge or explained it better than I have.

-JMO

All my posts are just my opinion. If I fail to type JMO on a specific one, I forgot.

With all due respect, no one was ostracized, unless they busted off a "you think Mike deserved to die", "you want to give Wilson a medal" or they led with "racial bias". I comprehended their perspective when I thought it was based on the "good kid, three witnesses, multiple shots of an unarmed teen" theory. That is what had me in the excessive force camp in the beginning.

When we found out Mike flashed gang sings, smoked the devil's lettuce, and wasn't the ambitious scholar we thought, I still comprehended their perspective. When Mike handled the store employee while stealing cigars commonly used to roll blunts, Mike wasn't the good kid that was sold to the public. Thus, part of that "good kid" perspective was erased. Then the witnesses went south, for me based on nothing more than my analysis of their statements. So the "three witnesses" perspective was lost. Then the statement from the chief about the facial injury, the cop's version through the friend, and the bystander in the Black Canseco video came about and the final piece of perspective was gone for me. Multiple shots of an unarmed teen was now seen in a new light.

As each piece of information was posted, some folks carried on like the information didn't exist. It was ignored, rejected, or minimized. We asked for their thoughts on each piece of information and there was no acknowledgement that anything carried any weight. No one responded to the questions. All they did is push forward with the same conclusion, even though the perspective I comprehended was now more or less gone. Now I wonder if the perspective was ever based on any of the three things I considered germane in the beginning, one poster acknowledged it wasn't early on and one openly commented on it earlier in this thread.

I guess the clearest way I can say it is, defend Mike reasonably and things will remain cordial. If defending Mike requires unreasonably victimizing someone else, there's going to some scrutiny. If that scrutiny makes one feel ostracized, I would hope they would consider their own thought processes along with those of everyone else. Isn't that the essence of a good discussion, to validate the integrity of what we think and feel? It's how I try to roll.

As an aside, I hope that perhaps the moderators would allow a discussion of the bigger picture at play here, perhaps in the "basement" as some refer to it. I think those who feel ostracized might find more support on a more generalized level than on a specific incident, especially this one. This certainly isn't one I'd go all-in on if I were to play race activist, you'd lose as much support as you'd gain obviously. Racism and racial bias does exist and does need to end once and for all. I just don't think it exists here.

BTW, I'd prefer the PP be moved up on the page and call it "the attic" going forward.