MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I guess CNN lost a cam last night to someone stealing it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I guess CNN lost a cam last night to someone stealing it.

Snicker....ironic huh?


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[liloleme]

Agree. In medical terms we would call that "guarding".

Except that MB couldn't have gotten 4 shots to the arm while at the same time "guarding", nor could he have been surrendering with his arms in the air, as "witnesses" have recounted, if he was "guarding".

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Popsicle where are you??

 

[liloleme]

I agree. It seems though, that we all have some very disparate ideas of what is the simplest explanation of what is true and what constitutes pseudo-intellectual mental gymnastics to get to the POV each of us arrive at.

Only if certain facts are ignored. Otherwise, it's pretty clear.

 

[MyBelle]

Ugh...

Garnder, KS is 30-35 miles to downtown KC, KS or MO.



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Station_Olathe



http://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/scienc...y-points-to-risk-and-protective-factors.shtml

In personal experience, I had a cousin commit suicide in Florida around 6 weeks after he returned from Iraq. I don't think any one thing causes suicide, but I don't agree military service is the answer for all young men. We will just have to agree to disagree.

-JMO

This is taking the thread way off topic. The Olathe Naval Air Station was for pilot training. It was in Olathe, not Gardner,
Big during WWII, but fairly low-key by the time Viet Nam rolled around. Local guys who went into the Navy headed out of state for basic training. It wasn't a Navy Base of operations. It had classrooms. Navy jets were not flying in and out. Pretty much closed down while I was still in high school.

The only tie to this case is that it is obvious those committing the violence, looting and mayhem are NOT the ones wearing the uniform. I doubt any of them have EVER worn a uniform....
JMO

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Guy reading poems he has written about the police to some media person

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

protestors starting to gather among media

 

[Amber29]

RE: Alright, I did it. I finally listened to O'Reilly's truth

This is very disturbing!!! I almost did it also but remained stong and firm as it relates to my repulsion factor as it relates to this screaming <mod snip> IMO. And, even tho you caved (smile) I will not. Been a long two weeks and am entionially unavail to subject myself to such abuse Ha!

You do howver, deserve points for sharing your cave in and I salute your taking risks!

Are you OK?! after the experence


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It really is great, it's worth watching even just for some of the stats he gives during it. It is all very well said. I agree with everything he said as well.

 

[Muffet]

Absolutely makes sense. Was this the new witness reported on Anderson or Megyn? I missed both and can't find links yet.

Now I'm wondering if more than one shot to the arm could have happened at the car and MB was clutching his right arm while he was running away like you said. Dorian said he saw blood on his arm while still at the car, before they ran. The mindset could have been, I'm in big trouble now, I'm making a run for it, then thought about how much trouble he was in and ran back toward the officer knowing he was bigger and had a chance to overcome DW before back up came.

Dorian says MB told him to keep running.
Just thinking out loud, trying to get a logical scenario in my head.

This is just coming from my gut, but I feel like telling your friend to keep running is consistent with, "I'm about to turn around and go back towards the cop, but don't want you to come with me."

 

[popsicle]

Popsicle where are you??

What's up?

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

What's up?

Just miss your tweets. I guess a slow night is good for everyone.... Means not much to report.

 

[popsicle]

Just miss your tweets. I guess a slow night is good for everyone.... Means not much to report.

Yes

 

[branwynbreeze]

Here's a link for transcript. http://www.billoreilly.com/b/The-Truth-About-Ferguson/351961358452453458.html

It really is great, it's worth watching even just for some of the stats he gives during it. It is all very well said. I agree with everything he said as well.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It really is great, it's worth watching even just for some of the stats he gives during it. It is all very well said. I agree with everything he said as well.

Okay, I'll cave. Someone please re-link
It...I'll
Watch it...

Begrudgingly ....it better be REALLY good...or I'm gonna be REALLY mad


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[katydid23]

If the first 4 shots were to his arm and hands, would he be raising them? My Bro-in-law got shot in the arm in a hunting 'mishap'- no way that he could have raised his arm at that point.[ Of course I am sure it was a different type /calibre weapon etc..]

 

[bettybaby00]

Did anyone else just watch megyn Kelly???!!!

I taped it.....hang on

 

[Muffet]

Except that MB couldn't have gotten 4 shots to the arm while at the same time "guarding", nor could he have been surrendering with his arms in the air, as "witnesses" have recounted, if he was "guarding".

ITA about the hands up. It never made sense that he'd keep them up once a bullet hit.

Nor do I believe any shooter would keep hitting such a small target away from center mass, which is what is drilled into them to aim for anyway.

I do know it is common to grasp an injured arm with the other, uninjured and hold it into the belly. Not only from medical experience, but that's what I did when I busted my own right arm in half. The ER doctors even had a hard time getting me to pull it away.

 

[popsicle]

Matt Pearce &#8207;@mattdpearce 3m
"I am the attorney general of the United States. But I am also a black man." Eric Holder today. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-0821-ferguson-holder-20140821-story.html &#8230;

 

[tlcya]

I've never heard them call any wound on MB's body as "superficial graze type injuries". Do you have a link for that?

I've only heard that he was shouting, "don't shoot". I've never heard he was shouting, as if to indicate pain.

Again, if he's clutching his arm against his stomach, there's no way he could have been shot in the arm. And, there's no way he could have had his arms extended, surrendering. So, someone (or everyone) is lying.

I was theorizing that the witness account about being shot in the stomach could have been him misconstruing that Brown was wounded by gunshot in the arm and then clutched it to his stomach (called) "guarding" in the medical field.

Brown suffered four other gunshot wounds to his right arm and palm.

SNIP

Two of the six bullets may have left and then re-entered Brown&#8217;s body, Baden said.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_f9904f19-dba5-58b4-ac4b-56b9bda29646.html

We were told one of those re-entries was from the wound near eye. It travelled down along the cheekbone and then exited. In the press conference where Dr. Baden and the alleged (since his qualifications have been questioned by many) forensics expert spoke and announced his findings he stated that several of the wounds to the arm were not entry wounds but grazing type of wounds, he then indicated where on the diagram the bullet holes (two) were and which bullet wounds were graze type wounds.

Link to the presser. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynaac9a1kz8 17:39 mark of the video several of the wounds are described as superficial graze wounds by Parcells

as to him not yelling in pain perhaps Mr. Brown felt it was more important to yell at the officer to stop shooting at him. As far as I know none of the witnesses have described his tone while yelling or if his yelling might have been indicating pain AND stop shooting. Is there a link indicating he was not in pain or that his yells are required to be "OW! that hurts?"

ETA I personally feel Mr Brown was rushing football tackle style at the officer and the officer perceived threat and fired his weapon at the advancing 18 year old. I also have followed enough cases to believe the studies that say eye witness accounts can be notoriously flawed and biased by their own life experiences and what they hear afterwards from others.

My theory on the arm wounds is that during the tackle rush his arms were pumping back and forth. I believe the bullets that entered his arm first grazed him as his arms were pointing and pumping forward toward the officer. I believe the facial gunshot wound was able to enter at the trajectory it did as described in the autopsy presser because he was head down and forward, again a football rushing stance. that is my current working theory. That theory is subject to change as more facts come to light.