MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #7

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I did. I'm going to rewind and see what Trace Gallagher said again about the new witness

Did anyone else just watch megyn Kelly???!!!

I taped it.....hang on
 
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Absolutely makes sense. Was this the new witness reported on Anderson or Megyn? I missed both and can't find links yet.

Now I'm wondering if more than one shot to the arm could have happened at the car and MB was clutching his right arm while he was running away like you said. Dorian said he saw blood on his arm while still at the car, before they ran. The mindset could have been, I'm in big trouble now, I'm making a run for it, then thought about how much trouble he was in and ran back toward the officer knowing he was bigger and had a chance to overcome DW before back up came. Dorian says MB told him to keep running. Just thinking out loud, trying to get a logical scenario in my head.

BBM. I'm watching Megyn Kelly. The new witness is identified as Michael T. Brady, and identified in a NYT article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?_r=0

A man who lives nearby, Michael T. Brady, said in an interview that he saw the initial altercation in the patrol car, although he struggled to see exactly what was happening.

“It was something strange,” said Mr. Brady, 32, a janitor. “Something was not right. It was some kind of altercation. I can’t say whether he was punching the officer or whatever. But something was going on in that window, and it didn’t look right.”

Mr. Brady said he had been interviewed by county investigators, but not the F.B.I.

Mr. Brady said he could see Mr. Johnson at the front passenger side of the car when he and Mr. Brown suddenly started running. Mr. Brady did not hear a gunshot or know what caused them to run. But he said he did see a police officer get out of the patrol car and start walking briskly while firing on Mr. Brown as he fled.
 
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With all due respect, no one was ostracized, unless they busted off a "you think Mike deserved to die", "you want to give Wilson a medal" or they led with "racial bias". I comprehended their perspective when I thought it was based on the "good kid, three witnesses, multiple shots of an unarmed teen" theory. That is what had me in the excessive force camp in the beginning.

When we found out Mike flashed gang sings, smoked the devil's lettuce, and wasn't the ambitious scholar we thought, I still comprehended their perspective. When Mike handled the store employee while stealing cigars commonly used to roll blunts, Mike wasn't the good kid that was sold to the public. Thus, part of that "good kid" perspective was erased. Then the witnesses went south, for me based on nothing more than my analysis of their statements. So the "three witnesses" perspective was lost. Then the statement from the chief about the facial injury, the cop's version through the friend, and the bystander in the Black Canseco video came about and the final piece of perspective was gone for me. Multiple shots of an unarmed teen was now seen in a new light.

As each piece of information was posted, some folks carried on like the information didn't exist. It was ignored, rejected, or minimized. We asked for their thoughts on each piece of information and there was no acknowledgement that anything carried any weight. No one responded to the questions. All they did is push forward with the same conclusion, even though the perspective I comprehended was now more or less gone. Now I wonder if the perspective was ever based on any of the three things I considered germane in the beginning, one poster acknowledged it wasn't early on and one openly commented on it earlier in this thread.

I guess the clearest way I can say it is, defend Mike reasonably and things will remain cordial. If defending Mike requires unreasonably victimizing someone else, there's going to some scrutiny. If that scrutiny makes one feel ostracized, I would hope they would consider their own thought processes along with those of everyone else. Isn't that the essence of a good discussion, to validate the integrity of what we think and feel? It's how I try to roll.

As an aside, I hope that perhaps the moderators would allow a discussion of the bigger picture at play here, perhaps in the "basement" as some refer to it. I think those who feel ostracized might find more support on a more generalized level than on a specific incident, especially this one. This certainly isn't one I'd go all-in on if I were to play race activist, you'd lose as much support as you'd gain obviously. Racism and racial bias does exist and does need to end once and for all. I just don't think it exists here.
BTW, I'd prefer the PP be moved up on the page and call it "the attic" going forward.

BBM. I think the black leaders/instigators of the peaceful demonstration are going to reach that conclusion if they have not already done so. The violence is being instigated at ALL police by criminals. It has nothing to do with the race of Officer Wilson, never did. I think if a black officer had encountered MB with that box of cigars, MB would have gone for his weapon as well. MB wanted confrontation. He made sure the store video captured him. Then he walked right down the street, holding the cigars. I think that assault and battery also went down without any regard to race.

JM
 
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Did anyone else just watch megyn Kelly???!!!

I taped it.....hang on
No, but if I could have a girl-crush, it would be for her. :D

I don't watch a lot, but when I do, wow. Beauty, brilliance, charisma, quick, focused...

She's everything a few others should be. Heck, I wish I could be like her. :thumbup:
 
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Okay, I'll cave. Someone please re-link
It...I'll
Watch it...

Begrudgingly ....it better be REALLY good...or I'm gonna be REALLY mad:)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

here ya go Linda :)

http://www.billoreilly.com/video#play go just below the one that cues up to the one called the truth about Ferguson - talking points

I agreed with it so much I bookmarked it.
 
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Mike Brady is a janitor? Thought he was an architect? :)
 
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Read this article. Right now we need a Leader. A leader who is willing to stand up for these victims of this spectacle and say enough is enough! JMO
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...tml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Still trying to catch up, so, sorry if this has been quoted and discussed at length already.
From above article, a statement we have seen in lead paragraph many articles since early on:
"Today marks 12 days since a white Ferguson police officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old black man, Michael Brown." BBM

Some articles still fail to include info which since came out about the tussle/struggle/grappling for officer's gun.
Not that media can give a complete, concrete, hard and fast, no-doubt-about-it account.
But it seems so inflammatory to say, LEO killed unarmed man, without ack. that there is info about a physical struggle between LEO & deceased.

My2 cts, JMO.
 
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increase in police activity and the helicopter is circling now
 
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I caught a brief part of a FOX commentary earlier that I thought was interesting. I had been wondering how long ago the GJ was empaneled, and hoped it was before Aug 9.

The guest commenter said they were empaneled in May, and their term expires Sept 10. Said they were asked to extend their service by a few weeks for this case. The commenter said since they are at the end of their term, they are an experienced GJ with dozens of cases under their belts, which he was personally pleased with. Also said that they strive to achieve a GJ that mirrors the community, and I think I heard him say there are at east 3 African Americans on the panel. In MO, the panel must have 9/12 concur for a true bill, which is apparently much higher than other states (he said most require about 50% of the panel). This commentor felt that this process was significantly better legally than one special prosecutor (referencing Angela Corey from the George Zimmerman case) making a unilateral decision to indict.

Discussion of the "ham sandwich" idiom about GJ's-- but then he gave an example of another case (can't remember where) where a police officer shot a suspect and was NOT indicted, as the officer was within protocol and had been seriously threatened.

He gave a lot of other details about what the GJ process entails, presentation of evidence and witnesses, etc. Maybe it's available as a video archive somewhere. (I think it was Shepherd Smith show on Fox-- I was doing about a dozen other things while listening from another room.) It was a lot of good info. For example, the guest commentor chastised people who criticized how "fast" the GJ receved this case. In fact, he said that a GJ has to officially have a case for the prosecutor to subpoena a lot of evidence-- so the assignment of the case, the numbering system, etc, HAS to come first.
 
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Matt Pearce ‏@mattdpearce 3m
"I am the attorney general of the United States. But I am also a black man." Eric Holder today. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-0821-ferguson-holder-20140821-story.html …

This is not helping IMO. Grrrr

I understand that he is attempting to "hear them" but in this context it just fuels the "justice for Michael" mentality aspect of the case.

This isn't the time for him to make these statements. If indicted, and the prosecutor has a strong case, then I feel it would be appropriate.

JMO

Not trying to offend :)
 
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I'm still about 15 pages back but wanted to insert this here because I'm short on free time tonight

Frankly, I think the nation's problems with youth violence and gang activity would be alleviated considerably if they would once again implement the draft with mandatory service. But nobody has ever been able to enlist in the Marines to avoid jail. That's an insult to every Marine out there past and present.

replying in the nicest possible spirit: there are no past/former Marines. once a Marine, always a Marine. ooh rah!

It's a dangerous road to travel when you think any particular race should police it's own people. jmo

yes! because further along that road are medical care, classrooms, juries, jobs, housing, personal relationships, etc reverting back to remaining within "one's own people"

I have a few traditions with my grandkids. we live in mostly-white Utah and I worry that their worldview, even with the internet and such, might be quite provincial. so when they reach the appropriate age we watch To Kill A Mockingbird (FFing the rape context) and we talk about fearing/disliking people for no good reason. our next activity is to go walking in the older/historical neighborhoods looking for Boo Radley's house and Jem/Scout's house: "do people like that live where we live?" when they reach the next appropriate age, and understand the subject of rape, I give them the book and we discuss things further. at the next appropriate age I give them two PBS DVDs: The Freedom Riders and a bio of RFK, and then we talk about the ills of racism and how (I hope) they will participate in shaping their world by being accountable for their actions and accepting no less from others. I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that among the things I try to teach them is that the thugging lifestyle is not what the Freedom Riders had in mind when they were willing to be beaten senseless

There are always two sides to every story, and many times, the truth lies somewhere in between. I am still waiting to hear the LEOs account of what happened. While I'm pretty sure what happened, I wouldn't mind apologizing to everyone if I find I am wrong.

IA and I will be right there, apologizing with you
 
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