MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #12

[natsound]

This just smells rotten to me... I feel like LE has a good handle on what's going on and I honestly don't trust a lot of the other leaks.

I'm right there with ya.

 

[Gardenlady]

Sorry, trying to keep up, but have some questions about the dumpster fire. What time did this occur? Did police retrieve any items from this dumpster, or was everything totally incinerated? Also, do we have any information on the phone call between the parents, such as who called whom, length of call, etc? TIA.

THe fire was around 2:28 am the night/morning of disappearance. Right around the same time as the phone call that they wont comment on.

Maybe the timeline has the exact time?

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150977"]Lisa Irwin-Timeline - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame] (timeline link)

 

[raeann]

snipped... ITA here! :banghead: If this case involved a story about a :abduction: then they'd probably get a jury to believe it when all is said and done!

hwow:

As I posted once before.....there were 17 reports of UFO's in this area of Kansas City over the same time period that is in question in this case......just sayin'

:crazy:

 

[SilkySifaka]

The house being released so soon and not being throughly searched before the release bothers me.
I knew they went back in the home Saturday evening. Saw it on a local news report. I just watched a report I had not yet seen from Sunday's Today show where they covered the search. It showed CS techs analyzing the front door, moving things around and searching in the room with the tampered window, on the roof and more metal detecting. Then the window entry experiment yesterday. Why didn't they hold the home longer and as new developments occur they can go back to the home without it being contaminated by news media and other people going in and out? They held the home less than 48 hrs. I am thinking LE were not even running parallel investigations, ie, intruder did it/parents did it. It seems to me they may have ruled out family then started looking into the intruder theory. Not good and if that is the case I hope it doesn't come back to bite them you know where.

JMO

I think they may have found something that makes the intruder theory more likely. That at the beginning they really focused on the family and parallel investigation was secondary. Now they are scrambling to look at all they missed because of it.

 

[mamamia54]

Does anyone have a link for a house plan for the Irwins home?

 

[twall]

Young said they cleared up the lead for the man carrying the baby in the middle of the night and there was nothing to it. This was on Judge Jeanine and the segment has yet to be published on the Internet.

LE can fib to the public. Chris Coleman comes to mind. Not a suspect, not a suspect, (when it was so very obvious he was responsible for killing his children and wife) then !! BAM !! he is arrested!

 

[PoppyH]

hwow:

As I posted once before.....there were 17 reports of UFO's in this area of Kansas City over the same time period that is in question in this case......just sayin'

:crazy:

Kimster was probably in the area looking for clue:floorlaugh:

 

[natsound]

Christopher Abeyta was also kidnapped from his crib in the middle of the night. He was 7 months old. There have only been a handful of non-family abductions of infants taken from their cribs. Christopher is my brother and I slept in the next room over from him the night he was kidnapped. We did not hear a thing. My family always cooperated with LE, although I remember my Parents getting upset because they didn't think LE were doing enough. My mom failed the polygraph and once she did LE formed a myopic view and did not thoroughly investigate leads. I know firsthand when my Mom was being interrorgated they told her things like "your baby is at the bottom of the lake being eaten by vernom, just tell us what you did with him" They questioned her for hours upon hours. Ironically they didn't suspect my Dad, yet my Parents slept in the same bed and it was a waterbed! The kidnapper did not turn on any lights in our home and when she left but she did leave the front door open. We didn't have anything else missing, except we had been missing a garage door opener previously. No doubt my family was under suspicion because of the "how could you not hear anything?". "why didn't the baby wake up?" Watching Lisa's disappearance unfold brings back raw emotions and memories, and no family should ever have to endure waking up to an empty crib and the torment of "not knowing". My Parents have never given up searching for their son. We do have a suspect. Her name had been given to LE the day after my brothers disappearance and she was not investigated! It is really unbelievable. My Mom did all of the investigating on her own. Finally a review is being done of my brothers case because of my families persistance. Go to www.findchristopher.com to compare cases.

What an incredibly sad experience. How old were you when all of this happened? God bless...

 

[Rallihanna]

LE can fib to the public. Chris Coleman comes to mind. Not a suspect, not a suspect, (when it was so very obvious he was responsible for killing his children and wife) then !! BAM !! he is arrested!

I don't think LE would fib about that...

 

[twall]

Does anyone have a link for a house plan for the Irwins home?

RANCH asked this last night. This was my response. It is all I have seen. HTH

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-police-stage-break-familys-home/story?id=14702680

 

[marycarney]

Update on Lisa Irwin coming up this hour on Today (NBC).

ETA: Well, that was quick! Maybe it was just a headline at the top of the hour, but there wasn't much of an update. Mentioned the handy man, that the parents met with investigators over the weekend but haven't given interviews, and that DB is still married to another man because they couldn't afford a divorce.

Couldn't afford a divorce but CAN afford three cell phones? Curious.

 

[alwayslooking]

I appreciate that they aren't throwing pictures of everyone mentioned to LE and the FBI out there for public scrutiny. Many lives have been completely destroyed by over-zealous detectives and parents who want to throw any and everyone under the bus, which I get, but there needs to be more to go on.

Remember Richard Ricci who ended up dead in prison? The Ramsey case had so much collateral damage I lost count in the first year.

Who said this is the first time they've handled something like this....and something like what?

IMO, LE is doing a good job.

Richard Ricci may not have kidnapped but not at all an innocent!:twocents:

 

[SuziQ]

I appreciate that they aren't throwing pictures of everyone mentioned to LE and the FBI out there for public scrutiny. Many lives have been completely destroyed by over-zealous detectives and parents who want to throw any and everyone under the bus, which I get, but there needs to be more to go on.

Remember Richard Ricci who ended up dead in prison? The Ramsey case had so much collateral damage I lost count in the first year.

Who said this is the first time they've handled something like this....and something like what?

IMO, LE is doing a good job.

BBM, FWIW, Yes LE wrongly fingered Richard Ricci for Elizabeth Smart's kidnapping. But IMO, he was rightly arrested for robberies uncovered during the investigation. He was a repeat offender who previously went to prison for attempted murder of a cop. He was facing a three strikes out situation.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Smart_kidnapping"]Elizabeth Smart kidnapping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

(snip)
Ultimately, the Salt Lake City police signaled that their prime person of interest was Richard Ricci, being held in custody for unrelated reasons. Ricci, a handyman hired by the Smarts, was on parole for a 1983 attempted murder of police officer Mike Hill. He was charged with felony burglaries of homes in the area similar in circumstances to the break-in at the Smarts. Ricci later died in jail from a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_hemorrhage"]Cerebral hemorrhage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] a few weeks after he refused to provide a confession to Utah corrections officers.[23] With his death, it seemed that all leads were exhausted. Upon discovery of the actual kidnappers, Ricci's widow issued a statement expressing relief at Smart's safe return and her husband's innocence.

 

[natsound]

Does anyone have a link for a house plan for the Irwins home?

Look at the stories regarding the Irwins on today.msnbc.com. There's a floor plan in one of their videos from either Friday or Saturday morning.

 

[ClaireNC]

The GMA piece mentions a plumber being in the home 2 weeks ago.

The GMA piece used the example of "maybe a plumber" working at the house two weeks ago. They did not say that there was a plumber, just used it as an example. http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-police-stage-break-familys-home/story?id=14702680

It was the Today show that reported that police were asking neighbors about a handyman who works in the area, but has not been seen since before Lisa's disappearance.


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/44842241#44842241

 

[raeann]

Kimster was probably in the area looking for clue:floorlaugh:

I asked her in that post why they do not take video surveillance on their visits....

 

[CathyinTexas]

Thanks!
Would be very interesting to know where this guy lives in the neighborhood and if it is close to where that man was seen walking down the street with a baby that first night.

My thought is OMG, if he lived in the neighborhood and HE was the one carrying the baby, then he would have been seen going to his own home. The neighbor alluded to a next door neighbor. This is all so very disturbing. I wonder, if they suspect this man enough to show his pictures to neighbors, WHY would they not already have searched his home and premises for clues!

 

[Elley Mae]

LE can fib to the public. Chris Coleman comes to mind. Not a suspect, not a suspect, (when it was so very obvious he was responsible for killing his children and wife) then !! BAM !! he is arrested!

Thank you for using BAM in its property context.

 

[Ruby Slippers]

Former FBI agent (and others) claim it is very unusual for LE to make public statement that "patents are uncooperative." I agree with those who feel like parents are "acting" waffling, giving obtuse answers, and not very visible to media. This makes ask:

Could LE have known early on that parents are not involved and are setting up with the parents to pretend conflict and estrangement in order to pursue a corse of action that might bring to light or instill false confidence in the real abductor? That feels more plausible to me than another Susan Smith scenario.

 

[jaeger]

I keep asking myself why they would have security system for the garage and not for the house? :waitasec:

Do we know that it was actually an alarm system, and not simply a code to open the garage door? We don't have an alarm, but we do have a box to open the automatic garage door from outside the house, and you have to punch in a code.