MO MO - Phyllis Corbin, 16, St. Louis, 1 Nov 1963

[AirForceVet24]

Is it confirmed that Phyllis Sommers and Phyllis Corbin are the same person? The reason I ask is that the vagrancy charges could be mother and daughter, the height is shorter than originally quoted and also the date of birth? I know that the neice said that the finger prints matched, but did they have Phyllis Corbin's finger prints on file before she went missing?

Yes it is confirmed. When Phylis ran away, she assumed the last name of the girl she was ran away with *summers," they were arrested 3 times between November 1963 and January 1965. all in Louisiana. On the arrest report, Phylis put down a fake last name "sommers" and fake birthdate. The reason for this was, if the police had known her last name or her actual birthdate, then they would have held her until her parents came and got her since she was still underage.

As for the height, when Donna was talking to the St. Louis PD and making the report, they were going based off of the memories of her 2 surviving siblings at the time. Thats why you see the discrepancy of height and eye color, though I do think its possible she still had blue eyes. One of those siblings that helped in the report is no longer alive and he did not have good memory of Phylis regardless. The other sibling was just 5 or 6 years old when Phylis went missing.

I do not think they had them no. This was 1963 when she went missing and she had not gotten in trouble with the law prior to that date, so I doubt theirs any record of them prior to when she went missing.

 

[Nikynoo]

Yes it is confirmed. When Phylis ran away, she assumed the last name of the girl she was ran away with *summers," they were arrested 3 times between November 1963 and January 1965. all in Louisiana. On the arrest report, Phylis put down a fake last name "sommers" and fake birthdate. The reason for this was, if the police had known her last name or her actual birthdate, then they would have held her until her parents came and got her since she was still underage.

As for the height, when Donna was talking to the St. Louis PD and making the report, they were going based off of the memories of her 2 surviving siblings at the time. Thats why you see the discrepancy of height and eye color, though I do think its possible she still had blue eyes. One of those siblings that helped in the report is no longer alive and he did not have good memory of Phylis regardless. The other sibling was just 5 or 6 years old when Phylis went missing.

I do not think they had them no. This was 1963 when she went missing and she had not gotten in trouble with the law prior to that date, so I doubt theirs any record of them prior to when she went missing.

Thank you for explaining and confirming the connection. I am glad that they found the other runaway, but it’s a shame she didn’t/couldn’t remember more detail.

 

[AirForceVet24]

Today was a great day in the hunt for Phylis Corbin and I will outline everything that was done today.
1. Last night we got that Alameda had received her prints and were going to analyze them to the Alameda County Jane Doe that was killed in 1969.
2. Today the original fingerprints were put into Namus, so they can be compared against other Jane Does. All we had before was just photos of the prints but now the originals are on Namus.
3. The head of the NCMEC reached out to Donna, theirs a Jane Doe in Alabama UP#61157 that is extremely similar to Phylis, the height matches, weight matches, hair, the only thing that doesnt is the eyes which were brown for the Jane Doe. We also post mortem photos of that person.

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP61157

View NamUs unclaimed person case UCP61157 for -- -- missing from Fosters, Alabama. Date body found: Apr 18, 1982. NCMEC case number: --.

namus.nij.ojp.gov

 

[AirForceVet24]

Alameda Jane Doe has been excluded from Phyllis Marie Corbin. However all is not lost. So I have been talking to a few people behind the scenes a bit and were trying to figure out who exactly is in charge of UP 6942. I already emailed someone earlier this week to whom I suspect is in charge of the case, but I want to wait for a response before I decide how to proceed.

 

[Nikynoo]

Alameda Jane Doe has been excluded from Phyllis Marie Corbin. However all is not lost. So I have been talking to a few people behind the scenes a bit and were trying to figure out who exactly is in charge of UP 6942. I already emailed someone earlier this week to whom I suspect is in charge of the case, but I want to wait for a response before I decide how to proceed.

is this by the finger prints?

 

[AirForceVet24]

is this by the finger prints?

Yes it was. Fingerprints did not match.

 

[AirForceVet24]

I submitted a Doe Network match for 6942 and Phyllis Corbin. I did get a response saying that no comparsions have been done and they will be getting back with me if theirs a positive match. This one is a tough one because, theirs nothing that places Phyllis alive after 1965. However, I was told by several sources in Louisiana that research on Dancers and Barmiads in New Orleans and Jefferson Parrish during that time are basically none existent. I have looked into old Jefferson Parrish cases from that time and I cant find any of them that would match 6942, so if its not Phyllis then its possible that it could be an out of state hitchhiker possibly.

 

[AirForceVet24]

So myself and two others who are doing research on this case have been able to narrow down the list of people that she may have been associated with. We know from research that the guy owned the bars was a man named Mr. Bourg, hes still alive and living in LA. But he didnt own the girls. The guy that owned the dancers was a man by the nickname of Kippy Ledet. Mr. Bourg had stated to a detective that Kippy died 10 to 12 years ago. Indeed myself and 2 of my collegues who are helping me on this case found a Kippy Ledet. But he died in 1973 and essentially owned a brothel in Gretna. Based upon what Mr.Bourg stated, I think its actually a man named David John Ledet who died in Cyrpuss Texas in 2010. He would have been 22 in 1965 and was known to be living in New Orleans in 1965. I have reached out to his surviving relatives to inquire further. My colleague reached out to the family of the other Kippy Ledet and they were very forthcomming with information, though I am not sure if they fully know his history or not. Theirs two UPs in LA which could match Phyllis UP15088 and UP6942. I am presuming she died sometime in the late 60s to the 70s. UP15088 would match up to this as she was found in 1975 but theirs very little information to go off of. Also Phyllis was not known to have been in that area. UP15088 was found in East Baton Rouge. We also now know where UP6942 was found which is in the southern part of Jefferson Parrish. I have reached out multiple times to different agencies but with no luck. I am hoping to hear something back this week on this case.

 

[alb1on]

I was interested to see you prefer David John Ledet to Clifton Paul Ledet (the Kippy who died in 1973 - this is confirmed from the obituary of his wife, who remarried, at https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/lake-charles-la/maxine-schultz-10453835). You say the 1973 Kippy owned a brothel in Gretna which seems to place him squarely in the right place given your previous post giving Phyllis an address in Lafayette Street Gretna (at a 'gentlemans club'). He was also a reasonable age being 27 in 1964. The obituary for David John Ledet at https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/david-ledet-obituary?pid=138712791&page=2 also makes no mention of the Kippy nickname (although I am sure you have confirmed this) but also tells of a long career with Amoco in the tribute comments. I am not doubting your view as you have done a lot of research but would be interested if you could enlarge on the reasons for discarding the 1973 Kippy and focusing on David John Ledet.

 

[AirForceVet24]

I was interested to see you prefer David John Ledet to Clifton Paul Ledet (the Kippy who died in 1973 - this is confirmed from the obituary of his wife, who remarried, at https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/lake-charles-la/maxine-schultz-10453835). You say the 1973 Kippy owned a brothel in Gretna which seems to place him squarely in the right place given your previous post giving Phyllis an address in Lafayette Street Gretna (at a 'gentlemans club'). He was also a reasonable age being 27 in 1964. The obituary for David John Ledet at https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/david-ledet-obituary?pid=138712791&page=2 also makes no mention of the Kippy nickname (although I am sure you have confirmed this) but also tells of a long career with Amoco in the tribute comments. I am not doubting your view as you have done a lot of research but would be interested if you could enlarge on the reasons for discarding the 1973 Kippy and focusing on David John Ledet.

You bring up a good point!

According to the email sent to Donna by the detective in the case it states " Judy stated that they shared an apartment for close to 2 months before Phyllis moved out with a man who another club and more girls. That man went by the name Kippy Ledet. His club was a gentleman's club in downtown New Orleans. Kippy died 10-12 years ago. I have no further information, if you can find anyone who had connections to this person could help me with learning more about Phyllis." Mr. Bourg who was the owner of the clubs knew about the girls and was the one who identified the name "Kippy Ledet."

We know with the Kippy Ledet who died in 1973 that he owned a brothel in Gretna in the late 60s. It was closed in 1971.

If you look at David John Ledet, yes he worked for Amoco for roughly 30 years. But before that we really dont know much about his past at all, theirs not much their. I think I had seen a source and il have to find it againthat states that his name was "Kippy Ledet." He was known to be in Downtown New Orleans during this time. The other Ledet was in Gretna.

Was Mr. Bourg confused and mixed up two Ledets? Yea its very possible. He was known to have had brain surgery and was in ill health when the detective interviewed him a few years back. But in my opinion the focus should be on David John Ledet while not totally discounting Clifton Paul Ledet since his nickname was clearly known to be Kippy Ledet.

 

[AirForceVet24]

You bring up a good point!

According to the email sent to Donna by the detective in the case it states " Judy stated that they shared an apartment for close to 2 months before Phyllis moved out with a man who another club and more girls. That man went by the name Kippy Ledet. His club was a gentleman's club in downtown New Orleans. Kippy died 10-12 years ago. I have no further information, if you can find anyone who had connections to this person could help me with learning more about Phyllis." Mr. Bourg who was the owner of the clubs knew about the girls and was the one who identified the name "Kippy Ledet."

We know with the Kippy Ledet who died in 1973 that he owned a brothel in Gretna in the late 60s. It was closed in 1971.

If you look at David John Ledet, yes he worked for Amoco for roughly 30 years. But before that we really dont know much about his past at all, theirs not much their. I think I had seen a source and il have to find it again that states that his name was "Kippy Ledet." He was known to be in Downtown New Orleans during this time. The other Ledet was in Gretna.

Was Mr. Bourg confused and mixed up two Ledets? Yea its very possible. He was known to have had brain surgery and was in ill health when the detective interviewed him a few years back. But in my opinion the focus should be on David John Ledet while not totally discounting Clifton Paul Ledet since his nickname was clearly known to be Kippy Ledet.

I want to add further onto this.
The arrest report for Phyllis Sommers (Alias for Corbin) from 1965 stated that her residence was 335 Lafeyette Street in Gretna. The location of that residence at that time was Buellers Pallace. (Gentlemans club). I wonder if Phyllis had given a false address to the cops, given the work she was in. I think its entirely possible. She was for sure working in Downtown New Orleans. Also in everything I read from the detective in the case. Theirs no mention of a Buellers Pallace anywhere in her report.

I have reached out to the Louisiana Historical Society to see if they can track down any information about the place Judy worked at which was "Oasis." and the name of the nightclubs that may have been near it. Also trying to find the exact location of where these nightclubs were.

Something that I failed to mention about David John Ledet. Their is an article from the Jefferson Parrish Times dated 1973 that mentions David John Ledet and his wife Shirley though I am not entirely for sure what its exactly saying
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"Shirley Constantine, wife of and David J. Ledet; COB 770- lot no. and WHEREAS. this Council desires to approve the resulting resubdivision of property in accordance with a plan by Sterling Mandle, Land Surveyor, danich May 17, 1973, a copy of is annexed hereto: THE JEFFERSON PARISH COUNCIL HEREBY ORDAINS: SECTION 1. That the dedication of New York Avenue from it intersection with Minnesota Avenue on the south to its intersection with (formerly Toledano) Street on the north is hereby revoked and set aside in accordance with the provisions of R.

S. 48:711 et seq. so that the ownership thereof shall revert to the contiguous land owners in 1 accordance with law. SECTION 2. That the said revocation is subject to the reservation by the Parish of Jefferson of a servitude for utilities, sewerage and drainage measuring 20 feet in width along the east side of that portion of New York Avenue, the dedication of which is hereby revoked."

Looks like Land Aquisition for building property? I looked up the street names and found nothing for them. So it maybe irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Nikynoo]

I want to add further onto this.
The arrest report for Phyllis Sommers (Alias for Corbin) from 1965 stated that her residence was 335 Lafeyette Street in Gretna. The location of that residence at that time was Buellers Pallace. (Gentlemans club). I wonder if Phyllis had given a false address to the cops, given the work she was in. I think its entirely possible. She was for sure working in Downtown New Orleans. Also in everything I read from the detective in the case. Theirs no mention of a Buellers Pallace anywhere in her report.

I have reached out to the Louisiana Historical Society to see if they can track down any information about the place Judy worked at which was "Oasis." and the name of the nightclubs that may have been near it. Also trying to find the exact location of where these nightclubs were.

Something that I failed to mention about David John Ledet. Their is an article from the Jefferson Parrish Times dated 1973 that mentions David John Ledet and his wife Shirley though I am not entirely for sure what its exactly saying
"
"Shirley Constantine, wife of and David J. Ledet; COB 770- lot no. and WHEREAS. this Council desires to approve the resulting resubdivision of property in accordance with a plan by Sterling Mandle, Land Surveyor, danich May 17, 1973, a copy of is annexed hereto: THE JEFFERSON PARISH COUNCIL HEREBY ORDAINS: SECTION 1. That the dedication of New York Avenue from it intersection with Minnesota Avenue on the south to its intersection with (formerly Toledano) Street on the north is hereby revoked and set aside in accordance with the provisions of R.

S. 48:711 et seq. so that the ownership thereof shall revert to the contiguous land owners in 1 accordance with law. SECTION 2. That the said revocation is subject to the reservation by the Parish of Jefferson of a servitude for utilities, sewerage and drainage measuring 20 feet in width along the east side of that portion of New York Avenue, the dedication of which is hereby revoked."

Looks like Land Aquisition for building property? I looked up the street names and found nothing for them. So it maybe irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I'm not convinved that this Phyllis is the Phylis we are looking for. If they had DNA from the recent Doe that was excluded on finger print evidence, I would be happier.

 

[AirForceVet24]

I wanted to share an update for everyone!

I spoke with Professor Allaire over phone today. She is such a nice lady. She told me that LSU faces Lab is aware of the Phyllis Marie Corbin case and have looked into the possibility of #UP6942 being Phyllis. Sadly the remains of #UP6942 were mishandled by the state in 1997 or 1998. Essentially they were cremated and while the Jaw and Mandible were removed prior to the cremation they didnt have a complete DNA set on them. Their is ways to go around this however it requires funding in order to do so and only a select number of UPs each year are sent off for this type of DNA testing. Essentially #UP6942 could be anyone including Phyllis.

 

[AirForceVet24]

Just a couple of UPs to add to the exclusion list. UP61157 which is the Tuscaloosa Jane Doe from the early 80s has been excluded based upon fingerprints.

UP15034 which is the St. Louis Jane Doe from 1968 has been all but excluded. That Jane Doe cannot be compared through Biometrics due to the state not keeping any records for her. Her remains were used for medical science and then cremated and the state has lost the fingerprints in that case. Age would be close, height is off.

 

[chaddylex]

Phyllis's NamUs profile was modified today. She currently has 6 rule outs/exclusions

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[AirForceVet24]

Phyllis's NamUs profile was modified today. She currently has 6 rule outs/exclusions

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

View attachment 580939

Myself and a friend of mine have been working those UIs. My friend submitted UP1522 a few days ago and it was found not to have an association with Phyllis based upon DNA. UP1341 was also excluded based upon DNA.

Currently I believe that she is very likely UP6942. Their is some suggestive evidence that shows that she might have been alive later than 1965. A lot of her arrest records from 1965 are missing along with her mugshot. I do know that UP6942 is set to go through an extensive test in order to obtain the DNA from that Doe, this should occur sometime this year. I have also been trying to get records related to UP6942 however, I have been given the run around from the state of Louisiana

 

[chaddylex]

Myself and a friend of mine have been working those UIs. My friend submitted UP1522 a few days ago and it was found not to have an association with Phyllis based upon DNA. UP1341 was also excluded based upon DNA.

Currently I believe that she is very likely UP6942. Their is some suggestive evidence that shows that she might have been alive later than 1965. A lot of her arrest records from 1965 are missing along with her mugshot. I do know that UP6942 is set to go through an extensive test in order to obtain the DNA from that Doe, this should occur sometime this year. I have also been trying to get records related to UP6942 however, I have been given the run around from the state of Louisiana

Does the Jane Doe happen to have dentals? I did see that she does have a rule out - Mary Shinn. I went to the Doe Network also to see if she was listed on there and she isn't.

I hope you are on the right track and you can help bring some closure to Phyllis's family.

 

[AirForceVet24]

Does the Jane Doe happen to have dentals? I did see that she does have a rule out - Mary Shinn. I went to the Doe Network also to see if she was listed on there and she isn't.

I hope you are on the right track and you can help bring some closure to Phyllis's family.

Per the LSU Faces Lab, yes she has dentals and thats how Mary Shin was ruled out.

I think for me I dont want the Phyllis Corbin story to be forgotten about. Personally speaking, I think her story largely gets buried underneth the drama of the New Orleans dark scene, finding out whos alive and whos not has been such a challenge.