MO - Sherrill Levitt, 47, Suzie Streeter, 19, & Stacy McCall, 18, Springfield, 7 June 1992 #11

[SAMS]

This is an interesting article.

Oh wow, thanks Cherrymeg

 

[cherrymeg]

I'm saying Joe and/or someone he knew (and someone Garrison also knew) were spooked by the women talking to cops. This doesn't stop with Suzie. There may have been concerns of what Sherrill knew as well.

Who else do you think was killed. If it was a drug killing why make them vanish. Isn't a a bloody crime scene a way to keep others silent. moo

 

[cherrymeg]

Joe used Stephen Lada and so did Mike. Dusty's was different.

Attached screenshots. Different case numbers.

Look at the dockets. Mike used Lada every single appearance. So did Joe.

I think Mike had a different attorney once Joe made a deal.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Joe used Stephen Lada and so did Mike. Dusty's was different.

Attached screenshots. Different case numbers.

Look at the dockets. Mike used Lada every single appearance. So did Joe.

I’m looking at the files and there was a statement of conflict filed because of that and they gave Mike a new lawyer.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

I'm saying Joe and/or someone he knew (and someone Garrison also knew) were spooked by the women talking to cops. This doesn't stop with Suzie. There may have been concerns of what Sherrill knew as well.

There is absolutely no proof Sherrill spoke to the police.

Also why let Joe go if not only did he talk at a party, make a statement, testified against friends, on first hand knowledge, but kill three women on a whim they may talk. Joe was proven to have talked, but now they will trust him and kill three innocent women.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

I’m looking at the files and there was a statement of conflict filed because of that and they gave Mike a new lawyer.

Wrong.

Mike appeared with Lada every single appearance. Joe did as well. Who was the new lawyer then if what you're saying is true?

Why did the same Lawyer fight for polarizing sentences? Interesting a bit, isn't it? Mike must really hate Joe.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

I think Mike had a different attorney once Joe made a deal.

Wrong.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Wrong.

Mike appeared with Lada every single appearance. Joe did as well. Who was the new lawyer then if what you're saying is true?

Why did the same Lawyer fight for polarizing sentences? Interesting a bit, isn't it? Mike must really hate Joe.

So you are saying I have false files???

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

There is absolutely no proof Sherrill spoke to the police.

Also why let Joe go if not only did he talk at a party, make a statement, testified against friends, on first hand knowledge, but kill three women on a whim they may talk. Joe was proven to have talked, but now they will trust him and kill three innocent women.

Reminding you that Joe hasn't said jack in 27 years. He's been holding up well. Despite your claims to how criminals and cops should/shouldn't have operated. Also, things don't always work out how they "should" or seem.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

So you are saying I have false files???

Prove he had a different lawyer. Just show the lawyer's name and case number. Shouldn't be a big deal.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Mike's last entry in court before his sentence:

11/18/1994 Judge/Clerk - Note
State by APA Barber. Deft with APD Lada. Deftr admits viola tions in par 3 b & c of State's Motion. Probation revoked. Sentence of 12/3/93 ordered executed. Deft advised of right to proceed under Rule 24.035. TKM/ms

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Joe's last entry in court before his sentence:


03/04/1994 Judge/Clerk - Note
State by Ron Carrier. Defendant in person and by atty. PD Steve Lada. Court hears counsel on probation violation and ord ers revocation of deft's probation and orders sentence impos ed by this Court per Sentence and Judgment of 12-04-92. Defe ndant remanded to custody of Sheriff for delivery to DOC. sc Public Defender's Lien of $25.00 filed. sc

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Prove he had a different lawyer. Just show the lawyer's name and case number. Shouldn't be a big deal.

After Lada filed the notice of conflict on 10/01/92 there are a couple different lawyers on his case papers. Not giving you more than that. If the mods want proof I will send it to them, but not putting anything on here. Lada is also on his probation in 94. Lada is on and off the case because he agreed it was a conflict defending them both. Mike is at work and will ask him when he is home about it.

 

[cherrymeg]

Reminding you that Joe hasn't said jack in 27 years. He's been holding up well. Despite your claims to how criminals and cops should/shouldn't have operated. Also, things don't always work out how they "should" or seem.

Holding up well after getting high in a graveyard and vandalizing it as kid? I don't see how grave robbing is connected to being part of a crime organization. If you are selling the gold from teeth you probably aren't doing more than buying drugs.

 

[Migmuu]

My biggest thing with the Clays and their narrative here is the thing where Mike claimed to have been Suzie's friend. But did not say anything like that in 2012 when he first started posting on various forums. It still sits with me. Not to mention a friend wouldn't hope another friend is dead.

The revisionism is well documented

Honestly, this is a pretty minor inconsistency. I would be concerned if he started exaggerating how much they hung out and saying that they used to call each other every day, but "He said she was a friend seven years ago and now says she was" isn't a smoking gun. We don't know how often they saw each other or how much they interacted on those occasions. There have been times where I looked back on (non-romantic) relationships where I considered the person a friend but, upon reflection, realized that it was more of an acquaintance relationship than anything. It's fairly subjective stuff.

"I hope those *****es are dead" is an awful thing to say, but it sounds more like the angry outburst of a 19-year-old who clearly wasn't a great decision-maker at the time and incorrectly thought that Suzie was the one who ratted him out.

I'm more concerned about evidence and someone's ability to pull off a crime like this. I don't think three guys who broke into a cemetery high on LSD and then got caught because they tried to pawn off the gold teeth using Dustin's ID card are competent enough as criminals to pull off an abduction and (presumed) triple homicide, get rid of all the evidence, and get away with it for nearly 30 years. Using your own ID to pawn off something as strange as teeth, only a short time after the break-in and a short distance away, is amateur hour. IMO this was the work of somebody who wasn't new to committing violence against women and knew how to cover their tracks.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Reminding you that Joe hasn't said jack in 27 years. He's been holding up well. Despite your claims to how criminals and cops should/shouldn't have operated. Also, things don't always work out how they "should" or seem.

How in the world were they to know that 27 years ago when he turned on his friends??? Also maybe he has said nothing about it because he was not a part of it.

 

[Migmuu]

Reminding you that Joe hasn't said jack in 27 years. He's been holding up well. Despite your claims to how criminals and cops should/shouldn't have operated. Also, things don't always work out how they "should" or seem.

How do you know that Joe hasn't spoken to LE about the case in 27 years?

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Honestly, this is a pretty minor inconsistency. I would be concerned if he started exaggerating how much they hung out and saying that they used to call each other every day, but "He said she was a friend seven years ago and now says she was" isn't a smoking gun. We don't know how often they saw each other or how much they interacted on those occasions. There have been times where I looked back on (non-romantic) relationships where I considered the person a friend but, upon reflection, realized that it was more of an acquaintance relationship than anything. It's fairly subjective stuff.

"I hope those *****es are dead" is an awful thing to say, but it sounds more like the angry outburst of a 19-year-old who clearly wasn't a great decision-maker at the time and incorrectly thought that Suzie was the one who ratted him out.

I'm more concerned about evidence and someone's ability to pull off a crime like this. I don't think three guys who broke into a cemetery high on LSD and then got caught because they tried to pawn off the gold teeth using Mike's ID card are competent enough as criminals to pull off an abduction and (presumed) triple homicide, get rid of all the evidence, and get away with it for nearly 30 years. Using your own ID to pawn off something as strange as teeth, only a short time after the break-in and a short distance away, is amateur hour. IMO this was the work of somebody who wasn't new to committing violence against women and knew how to cover their tracks.

I know it is a little thing, but they used Dusty’s id and not Mike’s.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

How do you know that Joe hasn't spoken to LE about the case in 27 years?

Good point.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

Honestly, this is a pretty minor inconsistency. I would be concerned if he started exaggerating how much they hung out and saying that they used to call each other every day, but "He said she was a friend seven years ago and now says she was" isn't a smoking gun. We don't know how often they saw each other or how much they interacted on those occasions. There have been times where I looked back on (non-romantic) relationships where I considered the person a friend but, upon reflection, realized that it was more of an acquaintance relationship than anything. It's fairly subjective stuff.

"I hope those *****es are dead" is an awful thing to say, but it sounds more like the angry outburst of a 19-year-old who clearly wasn't a great decision-maker at the time and incorrectly thought that Suzie was the one who ratted him out.

I'm more concerned about evidence and someone's ability to pull off a crime like this. I don't think three guys who broke into a cemetery high on LSD and then got caught because they tried to pawn off the gold teeth using Mike's ID card are competent enough as criminals to pull off an abduction and (presumed) triple homicide, get rid of all the evidence, and get away with it for nearly 30 years. Using your own ID to pawn off something as strange as teeth, only a short time after the break-in and a short distance away, is amateur hour. IMO this was the work of somebody who wasn't new to committing violence against women and knew how to cover their tracks.

Few things to address here.

1. Yes, Mike would love for you to think it was nothing more than an outburst to a mean ol' detective. That's the narrative. It's worked here.

2. No one is saying all three did the crime. Read the posts carefully. Details matter. People need to stop lumping them together. They are three separate people.

3. It's psychopathic to break into a mausoleum, break the skulls off out of the crypt, and put them in trees where kids would see them. It's not happened in Springfield before or since. It's a precursor to potentially psychopathic behavior. Couple that with Joe's routine break-ins around Springfield at the time, and I could easily see him breaking into the Levitt home that night. Could easily see him having no qualms about knowing of someone else doing it either.

4. Mike was no friend of Suzie ever. By almost every definition of the word.

5. Joe may have talked to police. I have no idea nor did I say that. I meant his "talking" hasn't gotten him into any trouble.

 

[OzarksTrailBlazer]

After Lada filed the notice of conflict on 10/01/92 there are a couple different lawyers on his case papers. Not giving you more than that. If the mods want proof I will send it to them, but not putting anything on here. Lada is also on his probation in 94. Lada is on and off the case because he agreed it was a conflict defending them both. Mike is at work and will ask him when he is home about it.

Wait he changed lawyers but still appeared with Lada?

That makes no sense at all.

Until you prove it, I won't believe it. Case Net is more likely to be accurate on this matter than whatever you're trying to tell me.