MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #2

[Linda7NJ]

Lose a lot of sleep over it but its also very rewarding when you return an innocent man wrongfully imprisoned home and back in to the arms of his wife and children.

We have a system and it required advocates on both sides. Its not perfect but someone has to look out for those wrongfully accused and unfortunately that sometimes means letting the guilty walk free.

BBM
I understand that. but to me it's a moral issue. The justice system isn't about finding the TRUTH. It's become a game....and a joke. In my opinion.

I read my original post...I didn't mean to sound as if I was attacking you. It really not personal

 

[PAXIMUS]

Innocent people don't need the the type of tactics I'm talking about.

They dont? You know how many people are on death row right now that had nothing at all to do with the crimes they were convicted of? More than you want to know. Its the dark underbelly of the justice system that nobody wants to talk about.

 

[Linda7NJ]

They dont? You know how many people are on death row right now that had nothing at all to do with the crimes they were convicted of? More than you want to know. Its the dark underbelly of the justice system that nobody wants to talk about.

I do know. And it underscores my point that it's not about the truth, it's become winning, at any cost.

 

[PAXIMUS]

BBM
I understand that. but to me it's a moral issue. The justice system isn't about finding the TRUTH. It's become a game....and a joke. In my opinion.

I read my original post...I didn't mean to sound as if I was attacking you. It really not personal

Sometimes they use silly technicalities to get criminals off, I personally do not play that game unless I have to because I know for a fact a client is innocent but the evvidence says otherwise. It happens alot, the evidence points to someone totally innocent and sometimes you have to play dirty to make it right.

Nobody is happy about this, defense lawyers do not go home and celebrate when they get a criminal off, we usually go home and cry ourselves to sleep or self medicate the pain away, its not an easy or rewarding job most of the time but when you help an innocent man it certainly is worth all the bad you put up with.

I know youre not making this personal, youre an advocate for children and I respect the hell out of that, keep it up.

 

[Texas Mist]

Pax -- any ideas why the accused (except Jared) do not yet have attorneys?

 

[lajr56]

IMO, this thread has been taken over by a poster who seems to have an agenda, and that's fine I guess. It seems to me, that people who felt that this was a place to express their feelings about their personal experiences in cases just like this, have not been posting. This is not a courtroom, people do not want to be confronted as if it is. Posters with real life experiences are being put in a position where they have to defend themselves. It feels icky.

I am not sure I will even lurk here anymore...

 

[PAXIMUS]

Pax -- any ideas why the accused (except Jared) do not yet have attorneys?

I have wondered about that myself, its really late in the game they should have representation by now.

 

[PAXIMUS]

IMO, this thread has been taken over by a poster who seems to have an agenda, and that's fine I guess. It seems to me, that people who felt that this was a place to express their feelings about their personal experiences in cases just like this, have not been posting. This is not a courtroom, people do not want to confronted as if it is.

I suppose you mean me, why not just come out and say it. Personally I think everyone is doing their own thing and nobody is forcing the conversation in any one direction.

If the consenus is that I shouldnt post as I do I will stop.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I suppose you mean me, why not just come out and say it. Personally I think everyone is doing their own thing and nobody is forcing the conversation in any one direction.

If the consensus is that I shouldnt post as I do I will stop.

IMO There is nothing wrong with playing devils advocate and sharing an opposing point of view. Discussing defense tactics possibly used in this case seems relevant to me. I don't see it as an agenda. I hope you don't stop posting.

While 98% of the time I would consider myself "pro-prosecution" I have found myself on the other side from time to time.

IF these men are truly innocent, then they are victims....I just don't think they're innocent.

 

[jjenny]

Innocent people don't need the the type of tactics I'm talking about.

I think it's very naive to think that just because someone is innocent he or she can not be convicted.
Plenty of innocent people end up in prison.

 

[jjenny]

I have wondered about that myself, its really late in the game they should have representation by now.

Maybe they don't have enough money to get a lawyer yet to much for a state to appoint a public defendant?

 

[raeann]

Perhaps the legal debates about admissible/non-admissible and who should get what type of defense could be taken to a separate thread in the PL where those who wish to argue the issue could continue to do so. I can see the point that was being made, that those who want to read here to see information about the case as opposed to legal debates are frustrated and do not feel welcome to post their thoughts or ideas.

jmoo

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think it's very naive to think that just because someone is innocent he or she can not be convicted.
Plenty of innocent people end up in prison.

The majority of people in prison are guilty and there are far more guilty people walking free than wrongly convicted. Are there too many wrongly convicted for my liking? Absolutely!

I'm not naive. I said the justice system has become a game. It takes more then one side to make it such.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Perhaps the legal debates about admissible/non-admissible and who should get what type of defense could be taken to a separate thread in the PL where those who wish to argue the issue could continue to do so. I can see the point that was being made, that those who want to read here to see information about the case as opposed to legal debates are frustrated and do not feel welcome to post their thoughts or ideas.

jmoo

No one is stopping you or anyone else from posting anything.

Please, post your thoughts and opinions. Jump in. If you don't appreciate others posts, simply put them on ignore and you won't even have to scroll by...their posts become invisible.

 

[Fairy1]

I think it's very naive to think that just because someone is innocent he or she can not be convicted.
Plenty of innocent people end up in prison.

By the same token, plenty of guilty people go free.

 

[lajr56]

No one is stopping you or anyone else from posting anything.

Please, post your thoughts and opinions. Jump in. If you don't appreciate others posts, simply put them on ignore and you won't even have to scroll by...their posts become invisible.

That came from me, Linda7NJ. Perhaps I will take your advice about the ignore button. Sorry.

 

[Fairy1]

IMO, this thread has been taken over by a poster who seems to have an agenda, and that's fine I guess. It seems to me, that people who felt that this was a place to express their feelings about their personal experiences in cases just like this, have not been posting. This is not a courtroom, people do not want to be confronted as if it is. Posters with real life experiences are being put in a position where they have to defend themselves. It feels icky.

I am not sure I will even lurk here anymore...

Don't go! Everyone here posts their opinions based on their own experiences and positions - that's all any of us have. It's ok! We just need to remember to stick to THIS case and not just go all willy-nilly posting any old thing.

 

[raeann]

No one is stopping you or anyone else from posting anything.

Please, post your thoughts and opinions. Jump in. If you don't appreciate others posts, simply put them on ignore and you won't even have to scroll by...their posts become invisible.

OH....I don't feel anyone is stopping me from posting, I don't even have anything I wish to contribute to this particular case! I was simply responding to the person who mentioned that they felt that way a few posts before mine. I see no reason for anyone to become irritable at me at all, here! FWIW I never put anyone on ignore, I respect ALL posters no matter what, and I am quite familiar with how to scroll past those I choose not to read.

jmoo

 

[jjenny]

By the same token, plenty of guilty people go free.

Who said "better let 100 guilty people go free than punish one innocent?"

 

[PAXIMUS]

IMO There is nothing wrong with playing devils advocate and sharing an opposing point of view. Discussing defense tactics possibly used in this case seems relevant to me. I don't see it as an agenda. I hope you don't stop posting.

While 98% of the time I would consider myself "pro-prosecution" I have found myself on the other side from time to time.

IF these men are truly innocent, then they are victims....I just don't think they're innocent.

I am really not here to derail any discussion, I find myself in agreement with much of what jjenny has had to add over the course of these threads, that is just how I approach these types of things. Everyone has their own way of trying to find the truth and this is my way and jjenny has her way, we seem to be similar in our way of seeing things, so I am certainly not alone here. If at anytime some of you feel I have overstepped then please let me know and I will do my best to reel it in a bit.

My main point right now is that there is not enough evidence to convict these guys. Now there may be more evidence that LE is holding back and they commonly do this in these types of cases because they are expecting more victims to come forward and so they hold important details and findings and discoveries back so that when the new victims come forward and say 'yea I was part of this and there is a body buried right over there' LE will know this victim is legit because they did indeed find a body there but didnt release that information to the media, this is an important tool and approach that LE will use in order to determine the credibility of new victims who may come forward once the case begins to build steam. So it may very well be that LE has a lot more than we know about and I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT IS THE CASE because if they are simply going forward with this case with only a few racy magazines and some old memories I think they will flat on their faces.

Time will tell and I will be the FIRST to say throw the book at the bastards if more evidence comes out that proves or further suggests guilt. Make no mistake about that.

In the meantime I simply enjoy the discussion and banter that we have here, trying to break it all down and make sense of it, I hope some of what I have to offer contributes positively to the thread and certainly I am also learning a lot from the rest of you who have decided to contribute in your own way. I think in the end we all want the same thing, we want the truth and we want justice for those who may have had grave harm done to them.