MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #3

[Missizzy]

I also wonder, jjj, if LE is looking into former Bishop Tonga's past counseling sessions with other families? I really worry that he discounted more than just this one mother.

I hear what you are saying that this is a systemic problem. How is this going to play out, though, under the glare of publicity? Sure, the church will distance themselves. The poor Bishop will be left hanging. IMO, he didn't do himself any favors with his interview yesterday. But I wonder if other victims of other perps will step forward and raise their voice with a sense of new empowerment?

I fully respect what level of indoctrination can be carried out on children (and adults too) within a church construct. But what about kids who go to public school and are out in the community and on the internet more and more? A level of awareness is going to be raised and victims are going to start stirring and realizing that something is very wrong in the family. Obviously, this is happening in the Mohler family as we speak. My hope that this case causes others to come forward. Maybe that's the one really positive aspect of the media coverage. Maybe the alleged victims realize that too.

 

[jjj]

Here's my final timeline, given the questions about pregnancies & new info on investigation span. I'm going to try to forget about this case & get some actual work done, but let me know if I've been too specific on anything regarding victims (I don't think I have, and am certain it's less than what media's released, but I'll check back one more time & remove stuff if there are any objections.)

Timeline:
(note:I'm only including specific accounts of abuse when they contain details that others might be able to verify with outside sources.)

1974 - BMSr buys farm.

c.1978 - BMJr marries JM

1978 - FC1 born

1980 - FC2 born

1981 - FC3 born

1982, 4/7 - BMJr & JM join LDS

1983 - FC4 born; earliest reported abuse

1984 - MC1 born

1985-88 - FC5 born

1987, summer - BMSr's brother DM allegedly rapes 1 or more of 3 sisters at a different farmhouse on Old Concord Rd, Bates City MO

1987, summer - Assault in vans somewhere in or near Bates City

1988, April - 3 sisters report witnessing murder. 6'2", 300lbs man in poor health followed from Independence mall to older residence, driveway on left. Buried in wooded area of Sr's farm.

1988, summer - escape attempt; 2 of older sisters write notes detailing abuse & bury jar. Later brother found jar; sisters urged him to bury it again quickly & encouraged other siblings to record the crimes and put them in the jar

19?? - JM reports abuse to LDS officials

19?? - girl/teenager, not a sibling of other victims, held in crawlspace/cellar. She reports 2 pregnancies; first baby buried in basement by BMSr & BMJr.

1991 - AM, BMSr's first wife, dies.

1992, Oct - BMSr marries SLM.

1993, Nov - BMjr & JM officially leave RLDS.

1994, c. September - FC4 has an abortion.

1995
- 7/19 - Concord Rd property sold to BMjr by BMSr
- BMSr & SLM move to Independence, MO; at some point an unrelated female moves into her own room in their house.

1997 - Adult abuse & child protection case filed against BMjr from lawyer in Pontiac, Michigan.

1998, 3/5 - BMJr & JM divorce (unconfirmed)

1999-2000 BMJr marries PSM, who brings MC2 from her prior relationship with MY

2000 - JM warns MY of sexual abuse to MC2

2001
- MY reports abuse and gets no response, but says he got custody of MC2
- 4/2001 - BMJr & PSM divorce, no children
- 12/2001 PSM files & then drops child support case against MY

200? - BMJr marries PGM

2007
- 6/29: BMJr divorces PGM, having had 1 or more children with her (possibly 4 yr. old girl referred to by MY on a Topix thread.)

- BMJr excommunicated from LDS for "personal conduct that had nothing to do with child sexual abuse." (according to LDS)

2008
- August: Federal prosecutors refer case to Independence PD (don't know when abuse reported to feds)

- Independence PD talks to FC1, FC3, FC4, MC1, & some of suspects (interviewed at least FC1 in August 2008; don't know when Independence PD interviewed everyone else, other than it being sometime between August 2008 to June 2009.)

6/2009
- IndependencePD forwards case to Lafayette County
- BMJr marries SM (not to be confused with Sr's 2nd wife, SLM)

8/2009 - IndependencePD forwards case to Jackson County

10/2009
- Lafayette received report from 3 sisters who stated that they had observed several murders that took place in Lafayette County and Jackson County. Search BMSr's former residence for evidence of a murder said to take place in Lafayette County in April 88

- Lafayette interviews FC4 (I believe this is the only place suppressed memories are mentioned); she reports abuse from 1988-1995; abortion at 11.5 yrs; seeing unknown female in crawl space between the cellar & basement.

- Lafayette interviews MC1, confirms sisters' accounts.

11/2009
- 11/10 - BMSr & sons arrested
- 11/12 - BMSr's brother DM arrested

Also in Nov:
- Lafayette interviews JM; she provides photo of crawl space & says children mentioned unknown female.

- Lafayette interviews FC3; she reports abuse from 5-12yrs, various jurisdiction. Reports abuse by BMSr's brother DM around summer 1987; Lafayette interviews FC1

- FC2 comes forward for first time regarding sexual abuse from age 5-9; confirms abuse by BMSr's brother.

- Charges filed from interviews with FC1-4, MC1

- Female who is not a sibling of others reports being held in crawlspace/cellar, two pregnancies; burial of first baby in basement (note: something which was explained in one of the search warrants but didn't seem to get across in news stories: the crawlspace connects the farmhouse basement to a separate CELLAR, where the girl says she was held (the unidentified girl was spotted when she was in the connecting crawlspace, by one of the sisters in the basement).
Absolutely my unsubstantiated opinion, but I believe she's most likely a cousin, or other distant relative of BMjr's children, who was sent to BMSr's farm by her family for summers like the siblings were and/or for longer periods of time. This would explain the lack of any missing children, and her being there long enough for multiple pregnancies.

 

[Texas Mist]

Thank you so much, jjj for that timeline...Interesting that BMjr was "excommunicated"...wow.

 

[Missizzy]

Yes, Texas Mist, had you seen that Fox4KC has also added the excommunication to their article on Tonga. They are clear, though, that it has nothing to do with child abuse.

That was A LOT of work, jjj, thank you so much.

I was just re-reading the Search Warrants for Jared's house. I've only found them in a highly expanded format and they are hard to read.

http://www.kmbc.com/download/2009/1119/21665313.pdf

Those documents also list the time span. They state that one interview took place on 8/20/08 and apparently the next one (concerning Jared at least) took place on 8/28/09. A full year!! It boggles the mind that this could be kept secret from all those arrested.

This document states that the abuse occurred from 1980 thru 1996. In 1980, there would have been only two female victims born. One would have been a toddler and the other an infant. That really rattled me. I also noticed that they say that there are five victims even though we've read that there are six siblings--5 girls and 1 boy.

The Search Warrant states that Jared's house was searched from 3 pm until 6 pm on 11/10/09. IIRC, the Mohlers were rounded up on 11/11/09. Wouldn't the search have tipped everybody off? Maybe Jared was out of town but I still wonder if a neighbor wouldn't have called him. It sounds as if it was a thorough search encompassing the house and a separate garage (where most of the videos were found).

Could those videos have been the final piece LE needed to take them all into custody?

 

[Missizzy]

Oh my gosh, you don't think...please tell me not to think it. So, there's a female child born as late as 1988. The first girl was born in 11/78. You don't think it could be her child, do you? Could that be why LE says that there are five victims instead of the total six siblings?

 

[human]

I just found this and thought it interesting:

"Men who haven't been victims less likely to believe child sex abuse claims"

http://www.bendweekly.com/Living/2796.html

I don't see this at all on WS, or I wouldn't be here, but I have noticed it on the news forums. Most (not all) of the male posters are having a hard time buying the allegations. I think this article very articulately states why that is.

I'll never forget what happened when we went to Salem to try to change the laws on Post Conviction Relief Trials in Oregon. We were working with Crime Victims United and they spoke out anonymously on our family's behalf. We were running out of time for that particular session so I went to Salem and yammered on and on about our family's grief and agony. The senators were very gracious and kind. But, oh man, when one of our sons stepped forward and spoke directly of his rape, you could have heard a pin drop. One male senator put his head down and cried (bless his heart, he's a Republican but I loved him in that moment). "Our" bill passed out of that committee before we even left the room.

I don't think it's that men are hard hearted or uncaring at all. I happen to adore a certain man and have nine sons!! I think they just cannot fathom the evil until they really have to confront it. I think that girls grow up hearing more about sexual abuse from relatives and friends. Boys, as a general rule don't stand around the locker room and discuss this issue.

I have so much respect for any rape victim (such as Jaycee and KC!!) but I'm in awe when a man or a boy stands up and says, "It happened to me."

There's been so much talk about the alleged female victims and my heart breaks for them. Being female, though, they most likely will get the support they desperately need. No, I worry most about the alleged male victim. I've seen the shame in those eyes. I hope that young man opens himself up to healing.

Many, many years ago I did a paper on sexual abuse- at least 20 or more. The research then showed that a lot more boys are considered to have been abused, but they didn't want to report because they and the parents didn't want the homosexual aspect (being accused of it-this was over 20 years ago).

Since then we have seen all of the abuse coming out about priests. I don't know if the statistics have changed.

I also know that at the time my state had a high incidence of sexual abuse because we were taking reports. The South at the time had a low incidence. It was felt by the researchers because of the lack of reporting.

Thanks for making things better for children!

 

[Texas Mist]

Yes, Texas Mist, had you seen that Fox4KC has also added the excommunication to their article on Tonga. They are clear, though, that it has nothing to do with child abuse.

That was A LOT of work, jjj, thank you so much.

I was just re-reading the Search Warrants for Jared's house. I've only found them in a highly expanded format and they are hard to read.

http://www.kmbc.com/download/2009/1119/21665313.pdf

Those documents also list the time span. They state that one interview took place on 8/20/08 and apparently the next one (concerning Jared at least) took place on 8/28/09. A full year!! It boggles the mind that this could be kept secret from all those arrested.

This document states that the abuse occurred from 1980 thru 1996. In 1980, there would have been only two female victims born. One would have been a toddler and the other an infant. That really rattled me. I also noticed that they say that there are five victims even though we've read that there are six siblings--5 girls and 1 boy.

The Search Warrant states that Jared's house was searched from 3 pm until 6 pm on 11/10/09. IIRC, the Mohlers were rounded up on 11/11/09. Wouldn't the search have tipped everybody off? Maybe Jared was out of town but I still wonder if a neighbor wouldn't have called him. It sounds as if it was a thorough search encompassing the house and a separate garage (where most of the videos were found).

Could those videos have been the final piece LE needed to take them all into custody?

I haven't yet seen the updated info in the Tonga article.

I do know that the 5 Mohler family members were reported to have been arrested on 10-Nov-09 -- I saw the article online @ kmbc.com...I also remember reading later that the arrests were coordinated so that all of them would be arrested at the same time...I thought it would be so that they couldn't tip each other off & run, but as another savvy poster mentioned -- maybe it was to keep them from tipping each other & hiding any incriminating evidence, like vids or pics.

Speaking of pics -- I read thru the .PDF you linked for the probable cause for search warrant on Jared's home/property.

I noticed that they confiscated a Dell PowerEdge 2200 -- the 2200 is an older model entry-level server....I know lots of people who run server operating systems at home for their own personal web/storage/game servers, but they are running them off desktop computers.

Wonder if LE had done some cyber-monitoring before the big bust went down? Wonder if Jared was a hardcore /child addict or distributor? Why was a USB storage device under the bed? hmmmmmmm.

As I've said before, I will not be surprised at all if CP is found -- even if it's not of the now-adult children. And the .PDF also mentions that pervs who have CP do *not* like to destroy their collection.


ETA: link to .PDF with many excerpts from studies on the relationship between religion & child sexual abuse

http://hules.us/SCI_SUM2.pdf

 

[Missizzy]

Thanks for looking at the Search Warrants, Texas Mist. I know nothing about PCs and server operating systems, I'm afraid. Got my little Mac laptop and I'm good to go. Yes, it is sounding like Jared might be more involved at a business level. What do we know about him? He's the only one with an attorney. I guess he has more ready cash. I don't know if he's married, though.

Do you have a time of arrest for the original five? I'm still unclear as to how Jared's search played into the arrest.

That was interesting info about the crawl space which jjj clarified. It also makes sense that these kids spent long periods of time on Grandpa's farm each summer. Poor kids. What do you make of the lapse of exactly one year between interviews?

 

[jjj]

Oh my gosh, you don't think...please tell me not to think it. So, there's a female child born as late as 1988. The first girl was born in 11/78. You don't think it could be her child, do you? Could that be why LE says that there are five victims instead of the total six siblings?

Absolutely not.

There are 6 siblings; the older 5 have reported abuse, but as yet there have been no indications that the youngest was abused (not saying she wasn't, but she has not come forward, and her siblings have not mentioned her in any of their interviews.)

I put 85-88 as the range for her DOB, but from other things I've seen I think it's most likely 1986.

OK, *really* stopping now...

 

[human]

Texas Mist- I couldn't get your PDF article link to quote here. I keep getting timed out.

From reading it, I conclude that the education of women and the equality of women will lead our civilization forward.

 

[jjj]

[this was my accidental double post; if there's a way to delete, I can't figure it out...]

 

[Missizzy]

My mistake. You're right, they were arrested on 11/10. I was looking at a report the following morning. So, presumably they arrested Jared at 3 pm when they went to his house to search and corralled the others simultaneously. Remember, Graceland University only had a one minute warning that they were coming in for David.

It really bugs me that Fox4KC keeps changing their articles without "corrections". Didn't they just get called on the carpet for using misleading video clips? I don't like that.

The cyber-monitoring was what I was referring to earlier. Maybe the last year was spent on some valuable listening. Once again, that might be why the budget has been brought up time and time again. Wouldn't it be wonderful, though, to catch a big time player in this nasty business? I would think, though, that there would be a storage unit somewhere with far more than 65 videos. I have to admit that when I think about the possibility of clearing up old child cases, my heart beats a little faster. Still photos and videos of my sweet little ones (well, they were at the time) are out there somewhere. Those things just don't fall of the earth. We had to submit 2 photos and full physical descriptions, including identifying marks, for each of our children to the FBI for their database. I still believe I'll get a call someday that they've found evidence of them.

I, too, found it interesting how the search warrant included all that info about child collectors and their collecting habits. Is that just a template that they use for all search warrants of this sort?

Checking out that link.

 

[Texas Mist]

Texas Mist- I couldn't get your PDF article link to quote here. I keep getting timed out.

From reading it, I conclude that the education of women and the equality of women will lead our civilization forward.

WS just wigged out on me too, human. :crazy:

I agree -- and not only education & status, but believing they can make a difference.

I was hoping my generation and the next would embrace that, but we hear about soooo many who allow the cycle of familial abuse to continue.

I have to keep telling myself that hopefully there are soooo many more who are breaking the cycle & we *don't* hear about that...well, except here @ WS.

 

[Missizzy]

OK jjj, I'll drop that thought. I hope you are correct. It would be wonderful if the youngest was spared. I guess when LE stated that they were starting with the "youngest first", they were referring the second youngest. But wait...isn't the second youngest a boy? That would mean that they must be starting with the girl born in '83--the third youngest. We're just dealing with one family right now. Who knows if any of the other cousins will come forward.

A quote from all three most recent Probable Cause Statements:

"Due to the length of the alleged abuse, the number of defendants, the number of victims, and the fact that the victims now reside in various parts of the continent, the probable cause statements are being submitted to the Lafayette County Prosecutor as they are completed, beginning with the youngest known victims first."

 

[Texas Mist]

My mistake. You're right, they were arrested on 11/10. I was looking at a report the following morning. So, presumably they arrested Jared at 3 pm when they went to his house to search and corralled the others simultaneously. Remember, Graceland University only had a one minute warning that they were coming in for David.

It really bugs me that Fox4KC keeps changing their articles without "corrections". Didn't they just get called on the carpet for using misleading video clips? I don't like that.

The cyber-monitoring was what I was referring to earlier. Maybe the last year was spent on some valuable listening. Once again, that might be why the budget has been brought up time and time again. Wouldn't it be wonderful, though, to catch a big time player in this nasty business? I would think, though, that there would be a storage unit somewhere with far more than 65 videos. I have to admit that when I think about the possibility of clearing up old child cases, my heart beats a little faster. Still photos and videos of my sweet little ones (well, they were at the time) are out there somewhere. Those things just don't fall of the earth. We had to submit 2 photos and full physical descriptions, including identifying marks, for each of our children to the FBI for their database. I still believe I'll get a call someday that they've found evidence of them.

I, too, found it interesting how the search warrant included all that info about child collectors and their collecting habits. Is that just a template that they use for all search warrants of this sort?

Checking out that link.

It bugs me too when online articles are modified -- and a lot of articles don't include a date/time to indicate when they were last updated.

I think they used a template for the probable cause for the Jared's search warrant too....looks like LE wants to be sure a judge understands technology-- you know, just in case...I haven't ever seen another probable cause for search warrant that included it, but then I don't know that I've followed a case where media released it....looks like it was faxed to them on the 19th.

I hope they track down the vids & pics of your kids...I saw a girl on TV not long ago talking about how just knowing that stuff is out there upset her -- and how she's still being abused every time some creep looks at it....I don't know how anyone can think CP is a 'victimless' crime & "no one gets hurt"....that's just plain ignorant -- and adds insult to injury IMO!!

 

[jjj]

What do you make of the lapse of exactly one year between interviews?

Sorry, that entry was unclear, just fixed. August 2008 is when the case was passed to Independence PD. Independence PD's interviews were some time between then and June 2009, but other than a specific reference to an August 2008 interview with one of the sisters, I don't think we know when in that range the interviews occurred.

LE said they were starting with, as you quoted, the "youngest known victim." As of yet, the youngest sibling is not officially considered a "known victim" - she has not reported abuse and her siblings haven't indicated she was abused in their interviews. The first things they released stemmed from interviews with the youngest known victim - the boy - and the second youngest (the only abuse the boy reported occurring in Lafayette county was the one described by his sisters as punishment for their attempted escape.)

There haven't been any charges yet from abuse which took place in other counties. (something which bugged me was commenters elsewhere doubting the case when the rural major case squad disbanded. the rural major case squad was only assembled for the Lafayette county investigation; cities like Independence, Columbia, etc have their own major case squads which are pursuing allegations of things which happened there.)

 

[Missizzy]

Jared Mohler was a database coordinator for Carfax (BTW, a company which has come under scrutiny by the Attorneys General due to some of their practices). What does this tell you, Texas Mist and others, about his tech abilities?

The search warrant was served in Columbia, MO but Jared also has addresses in Lamoni, IA (where David lived), Bates City, MO (where the farmhouse is), and Washington, MO.

 

[Missizzy]

This is tacky, I'm sorry. I was just studying jjj's fine timeline and I noticed that it says that in 1974 BM Sr. bought the farm. Well, it's 2009 and I think all the Mohler guys "bought the farm" again--hopefully for the last time.

 

[Texas Mist]

before I get around to the techy stuff -- let me toss this out there.

I just found where Darrel Mohler of Silver Springs FL got a traffic ticket (Queen City) -- plead guilty in municipal court in 2004. (speeding ticket 05-23-2004, guilty plea & paid fine 06-10-2004)

I thought he said he hadn't been back there in years -- for some reason I'm thinking he made it sound like 20 years or something!

Anybody else remember what he said?

ETA: here's why I thought he hadn't been back in 20 years " Mohler told the Star-Banner he had "no idea" about the allegations and said he has lived at his Silver Springs home since 1984." -- guess he was trying to imply he hadn't been back altho that's not actually what he said...Queen City is in northeast corner of the state.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1335380.html

(I'm still digging).

And I also found an adult abuse charge "w/o stalking" against BMjr -- IIRC that was 1997...there's no respondent name tho. ETA: it appears there was a divorce in progress around this time...the complaint was filed in Family Court, and it was in August,2000.

 

[mysticrose]

Well it appears in MO they have to FILE a probable cause statement before they can make any arrests, that is NOT the case in most states, in most states they can quietly make an arrest and start digging around for evidence and nobody really knows anything about it unless LE leaks it to the media, but it appears in MO they have to file some sort of PC statement before they make their arrests and that being the case the minute they file that PC statement that becomes public information and the media can then report whats going on. Obviously this is all going to have a huge impact in the trial because it will be difficult to seat a pool of jurors who have not already been exposed too all of this information we are discussing on here which makes it hard for the Mohlers to get a fair trial. At the very least the defense will have to file a change off venue which may not make much difference since this case has made national headlines.

I would much prefer LE do their jobs and line up their ducks before releasing all this type of information but that isnt always how it works so it is what it is.

Another problem is once you let all this info out you can then expect a lot of people to come forward claiming they are victims and can recite word for word what happened to them because they read all the facts in the newspaper. More people do this than you can imagine, some people love to throw themselves in to the middle of these kinds of cases just for fun I guess.

Usually LE will hold some very detailed info back from the media so that if other victims come forward and mention that specific thing LE will then know they are LEGIT and didnt get that info from the media reports and that may be the case here, LE may have more evidence than we know about because they want to hold it back in case new victims come forward so that they can use that info to verify if the new victims are legit.

Make sense?:dance:

Thank you, it made complete sense...