Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

[MaxManning]

For some reason, Anderson remained at QuikTrip until 4:49 a.m. and then drove north to parts unknown, Caldwell said.
Investigators think Anderson traveled westbound along the Missouri 9 corridor between Kansas City and Parkville. She remained in that area until 6 a.m.

Am I missing something? Still seems unclear as to how it's known that she went to Parkville. It is what I have been saying seemed most likely from early on, but would love to know how they know this.

 

[MaxManning]

I'm going to repeat that there's this 24 hour casino/hotel between the QT and parkville. Why did it take about an hour to get from the QT to Parkville.

Not that I even understand yet how we know that she went to Parkville beyond someone saying that. Seems a bit odd that until now, we didn't know that Toni told the officer that pulled her over that she was going to Shady Lady.

So, did she make it to Shady Lady?

I still don't know how likely an accident is, because of the GPS being disabled. I'm thinking the malfunction theory at such a critical point in time, is not very probable at all.

So what about the evening last ping that we heard about early on? You know, the one where her phone disconnected from the network? Was that true? lie?

I'm confused if this is yet another piece of LE information that has changed or been added.

 

[n_6CC]

I need to put my own breaks on. I'm going to try to go back and focus just on what police have released and revisit if they truly have changed their story or all the rumors and misinformation are clouding my memory. Maybe I read what I wanted to read sort of thing. Cause it sure seems that police have changed their story but I wanted to revisit this before I spiral down this.

Agreed. As I read this article, I felt the same initially. Here are a couple things I have noticed in their comments. First of all, they never said "we think" . They have thrown out the word "theory". Which means it is a possibility that cannot be ruled out. Secondly, I believe that they are under a barrage of criticism from the public on this case and needed to get something out to the public. Thirdly, they will not out and out lie to public in briefings or quotes for articles- the liability it too great. Now, they will lie to POI or suspects. Fourth, I don't think she ran away and if she wrecked in MO they would have found her I would hope. Basically there is no evidence to prove their theory's or anyone else's so far. And no one has come forward. So- they might theorize she drove far away out of the area and wrecked, and they may theorize that if #1 doesn't come to fruition # 2. One thing they DID SAY is that there is nothing connecting the people she worked with, or the place she worked, with her disappearance. Sounds to me like someone complained to them enough about potentially hurting their business and reputation. Just my opinion. Last thread I mentioned that she did try to use her card at the pump and was declined- therefor went into the qt to pay with cash. For this reason, I haven't believed she ran away. I don't think you would use your card on the way out. You would be prepared with cash, makeup, clothes, and hair stuff galore-
So either she wrecked out of the state or on the way out or she is a victim of foul play- Both of the theory's presented by LE. Or, of course, just vanished into thin air...........


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[VictoriaH]

Hmm. I see I missed a paragraph in that article.

"Investigators think Anderson traveled westbound along the Missouri 9 corridor between Kansas City and Parkville. She remained in that area until 6 a.m."

Well that makes no sense, then. How can she be in that area until 6 AM and then crash her car around the same time "on some rural, desolate roadway."

There has to be a mistake in the article. Doesn't there?


link: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article136092253.html#storylink=cpy

Well, isn't it possible she could have ran off the road around Parkville and her phone stayed on for another hour? Maybe it was damaged in an accident?
It's pretty desolate out there with a lot of wooded area. I DO think there are a lot of places that she could've slid off the road.
I personally was out the same night, but earlier, coming back from Minneapolis, about 8:30 pm.
I-35 was fine but getting back into metro area, the ice was just starting and certain parts were okay and other parts not.
The ice hit different areas at different times, it would stop then start again thru Sunday mid-morning.

 

[AceDetective]

Is it realistic to think she was meeting anybody in Parkville for anything at 5 AM?

 

[Epouvantail]

I've been trying to follow this case (and I've been lurking on this thread) but this is my first time posting, so please bear with me and correct me if I state anything that's inaccurate

I agree this new article is odd. The author seems to mix some seemingly valuable new information with statements cut from a crime novel.

While not ruling out foul play, Kansas City police think that around 6 a.m. Jan. 15, Toni Anderson likely wrecked her black 2014 Ford Focus on some rural, desolate roadway.


The accident may have happened far away from where any high-definition, sonar detectors or other aerial tracking devices would have been able to locate her.

Where would this be? The moon?? (Just seems like an odd way to express the concept Toni had an accident and her car hasn't been found because it occurred someplace they haven't searched yet.)

I didn't realize this case was already being treated as a cold case:

...Sgt. Ben Caldwell, a supervisor with the Police Department’s missing persons, cold case section.

Despite the reporter misquoting the text Toni sent, if the information about her being at the QT until 4:49 is accurate, I agree we can at least eliminate the "second stop" theory. Makes me wonder what she was doing in those minutes after texting and before leaving the QT. I think the idea she was inputting directions for her next destination into her navigation system makes sense. Or maybe she was just debating about what her next destination should be: Shady Lady? Home? Some specific location out toward Parkville? Just driving around so she could listen to music and think?

Investigators know that Anderson was driving in an unfamiliar area.

How can they be so sure the area was unfamiliar to Toni, and yet not know exactly where this was? Is it because they also believe she was using her navigation system to drive someplace she hadn't been before? I agree its odd they waited so long to release this information, especially with all the theories flying around, including ones suggesting bad or fake police.

Bottom line for me is, at least maybe I can remove the "second stop" from my thought process, but this article otherwise did very little to clear things up. JMHO

 

[perfectingpink]

[video=twitter;837809018403962880]https://twitter.com/Jhelmuth/status/837809018403962880[/video]

"Toni Anderson's family tells me police have received 5 tips on a specific person regarding her disappearance. Not substantiated yet"

 

[Jerrod]

"While not ruling out foul play, Kansas City police think that around 6 a.m. Jan. 15, Toni Anderson likely wrecked her black 2014 Ford Focus on some rural, desolate roadway."

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article136092253.html#storylink=cpy

How on earth do they know specifically around 6am? If they can track her to a time they can track the car. I literally hate this article.

"Likely wrecked" is quite a turnaround from their earlier statement:

 

[heartgoesout]

Jerrod, great catch!

 

[heartgoesout]

Is it realistic to think she was meeting anybody in Parkville for anything at 5 AM?

In my world no. In hers, maybe.

 

[heartgoesout]

Is this 5 tips thing new?
It's a reputable reporter.
What is going on?

 

[AceDetective]

Is this 5 tips thing new?
It's a reputable reporter.
What is going on?

Yeah it's new. It could just be about the Js, though.

 

[misslu]

Is this 5 tips thing new?
It's a reputable reporter.
What is going on?

I want to know, too. After reading that article which paints a picture of a car wreck in the middle of nowhere.

Now there's 5 tips regarding the same perp.

Then theres The Shady Lady thing - I've put out of my mind as it just didn't sound likely given what we know. But she supposedly told an officer also she was going there? The officer couldn't have been where that info originated from because that she was going to SL was reported the day before the officer came forward right?

So we have a meet up with friends in the city vs a desolate highway, a disarmed GPS device vs a precise time Toni went off the radar, a matter of minutes vs more than an hour, a drug deal, or maybe not, and more shade than my grandma's back porch. Has anyone told an accurate story of Toni's intentions that night/morning?

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[AceDetective]

In my world no. In hers, maybe.

I think our worlds are kind of similar.

I mean, I guess if there's a 24 hour casino then people must be at it at 5 AM, right? But who else is up at 5 AM, except maybe somebody getting ready to go to work. It just seems unlikely to me she would be meeting a date or doing some kind of deal. And the police would know if there was someone up there that she met regularly, right?

By the way, the casino would have plenty of cameras and surely the police would have checked them.

 

[heartgoesout]

I agree and it makes sense that 5am would not be the typical time for a john or even a drug deal for that matter.

 

[AceDetective]

So here's another article with no new info. However, the reporter did say that she spoke to an officer with the Kansas City police department and was told (near the end of the video):

- there's just not enough evidence to even suspect foul play
- there are no persons of interest

http://www.wbng.com/story/34653836/missing-kansas-city-woman-has-ties-to-two-harbors

 

[MaxManning]

I agree and it makes sense that 5am would not be the typical time for a john or even a drug deal for that matter.

Really? I have two friends who are bellmen and they have told me all kinds of stories about such activity, particularly when people are coming back from out partying. They don't even work at a casino/hotel.

Also, I am not even saying she went into the hotel/casino, although I'd certainly check tape there. My point is that in the vicinity of a casino/hotel that is open 24 hours, there is likely drug dealers etc that service that hotel/casino. How exactly they run their business? I don't know, but for some reason it took her an hour to get from QT to Parkville. Again, if those cameras weren't checked, then I have no idea how they all got badges imo

Also, if we are saying we don't believe that prostitution or illegal drugs aren't something that sometimes go together with a casino, I'm just not sure what to say other than I think we are only deceiving ourselves.

 

[policyoftruth501]

I know for a fact from my party days in my twenties that illicit activities don't have a curfew or a typical time when they take place. They happen at all times of the day and night whenever the opportunity presents itself . . . especially at night. Even at 5 am.

I've never been around prostitution so I can't personally attest to that (though I'm sure the same is true in that world), but I know for a fact from personal experience that a drug dealer isn't going to turn down the opportunity to make money. They work all hours, but late night and early morning hours are when they running at full speed. It's actually less likely that a drug deal would happen in the middle of the day. The party scene doesn't even really get going until around midnight. When people want drugs it's usually in the middle of the night and they don't care what time it is.


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[StPauliGirlK]

Hi, All. I've been following this discussion since it started, but am posting for the first time tonight. I just found this new (March 3) article and video interviewing Toni's dad's on his local news station in northern Minnesota, and it has some info (once again) that contradicts the "she definitely had a car wreck" theory: http://www.wdio.com/news/northland-father-missing-daughter-kansas-city-/4415057/

"They've done everyhting [sic] to try and find her. Every lead they have is coming up empty," said Anderson."They've all but ruled out the fact that it was intentional, that she went somewhere on her own. The FBI and the detectives are working into possible human trafficking."

Also: "He and his wife are in the process of moving back to the Two Harbors area."

 

[BaileyC]

I don't know why all of a sudden Sgt. Caldwell and Liz Anderson are giving out facts of this case but if most of what was said is true, in the new release, than LE knows where Toni was headed that night. The last call or text to her on her cell or other information told them why she was in that area and that it was new to her. She didn't show up at her destination, they've searched everywhere they can think of around that destination spot. They figure she got lost and wrecked or someone else other than the person she was going to see did something to her. I can see why they think a wreck is the most probable if this is what has taken place. LE knows much more than they are releasing to the public, like the name of the person she was going to see and for what.