Monday night's questions about Haleigh's clothes and laundry

[News Junkie]

Let's see... Misty and Ron had only been together about 5 months, in that time they could not get Haleigh to school and were about to get into trouble. Ron had also been investigated by DCF. I figure that whole week before Haleigh went missing they were fussing and fighting with Misty manipulating and showing fake pregnancy test. There was no laundry detergent in the home. They probably had to go to Walmart to get Haleigh something to wear and the grandma probably had all the school clothes laundering them. If they couldn't bother to have detergent in the home or get the child to school more often, they weren't going to have any clean clothes in the home. There were even dirty clothes in the dryer.

I can’t figure any of this out either, probably because more than half of it is just BS. Think about it, there is no laundry detergent, and on the way home Ron decided to buy beer and peanuts.

How do we know this was a fake pregnancy test? What if Misty were really pregnant? How could this impact this case? I see numerous ways...

 

[debs]

IF GGM was there, which I'm not at all sure I believe, and IF she handed the clothes to Misty on the porch as claimed, the quantity would seem to be relatively small.

If so, what would have been the urgency of a 30 mile round trip to deliver them at 7:00 to 8:00 at night?

I know darn tootin' that I'd not be driving 30 miles round trip to drop off just a few articles of clothing at that time of night! It makes no sense that TN asked for "a family member" to "go over" .... makes no sense that a family member who says she was there said she came over to drop off laundry (with a working washer/dryer in the MH), and makes less sense that this person wasn't mentioned for 9 days, and only then by TN, confirmed to be GGM by GGM, and never by Misty in all of her retelling of the story until August, a few weeks before she got a divorce.

 

[twall]

New Pictures and Stories About Little Haleigh
Jessica Clark Created: 2/20/2009 6:09:31 PM Updated: 2/28/2009 12:07:26 AM
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Then there's her school portrait. It's the one on the flyers around the county. Haleigh dons a pink hair bow and a pink top with a butterfly embroidered on the front.

Neves said Misty Croslin, Haleigh's father's girlfriend dressed Haleigh that day.

Neves laughed and said, "Unfortunately Misty let her pick what she wanted to wear which meant there were 50 outfits on the floor every day!"


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=131857&provider=top

Does "that day" refer to the day the school photo was taken? If it refers to the day of the disappearance TN doesn't mention the mad dash to get clothes.

Anyhow, with 50 outfits or more to choose from I would assume it unlikely that they are all dirty or in storage at Granny's house at the same time. So, they probably didn't drive there because there were no clean clothes to wear at home. Either Haleigh pitched an awful hissy fit over not getting her favorite shirt and they had absolutely no clue how to handle it or they had some other reason for driving there.

I wonder if they found out what Haleigh wore while they drove to Welaka. She had to have some clothes on. Which ones and have they been recovered?

Donjeta-I went to the link you put in your post and read the whole article.
I take it to mean that Misty got Haleigh ready for school on every school day, including picture day. It sounds to me TN was implying that Misty let Haleigh pick what she wanted to wear to school every day and she had a hard time choosing, hence all the outfits on the floor. I think 50 was an exaggeration, though.

I know how this can be-I have a 14 yr. old girl that is now old enough to pick what she wants to wear but when she was younger I picked the night before what she would wear and laid it out for the next day. Now I am doing the same thing all over again w/my 5 yr. old. If they don't like what I pick that is tough! I'm the boss-not the other way around! If it is a special day like picture day I will give her a choice of 3 shirts (that is all that shows anyway!) and let her pick 1.

Maybe the story is true about Haleigh wanting a certain outfit to wear that Monday morning and it was at G. Sykes. Either that or there were no clean clothes at the home for her to wear. I have no idea if Ron would give in to Haleigh's request, I don't know him, I know I wouldn't! IMO that is ridiculous, school mornings are bad enough! I love my children dearly but you have to draw the line somewhere and not let them control you and walk all over you.
It's called discipline!

 

[twall]

When I first heard that GGMS did the laundry, I was thinking about dysfunctional family life. My opinion was that she did the laundry because it wasn't getting done by Ron or Misty. Perhaps Ron expected Misty to do it but she wasn't doing it and I can hear an older family member thinking "Dang it! If those dern kids aren't going to do the laundry for the babies then I guess I'll just hafta get it done myself!"

That's just how I took it in the beginning and could it be that maybe that is the simple explanation? Just throwing that out there for y'all to consider.

I agree, GGMS probably did their laundry because I just cannot see it being a top priority of Ron or Misty's.
Also, if the kids stayed with her alot (which I think they did) most of their clothes would be at her house anyway.
But I'm not buying laundry as an excuse to visit that night with a relative that had a RN'S license for many years.
Excuse me for a few, I have to go do laundry! (I'm not kidding!)

 

[LFlorida]

So Neves said misty dressed her that day?? Is that to solidify the fact that misty was there. How does TN know every single detail of the case. She was not there. Who is relating the info to her or is she making it up? She even offers up they never close their bedroom door when they sleep. How in the begeezies would she know that?

Could it be because misty was NOT there? That's my guess. I get the impression that Haleigh was a handful and neither of those two were equipped to deal with her.

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My impression of that day and night is that Ron was really in a "mood" as he could not find babysitting for the kids and he had to go to work...he was fuming and searching for misty. If he found her and where he found her is the mystery.

Why couldn't Ron find babysitting for the children that night? Annette was home. Teresa was home. Sounds like even Elisa was home.

Why would Ron go 'round up his g/f --- who had reportedly spent the weekend ho'ing around and getting majorly high --- to take care of his HEART?! [And his son.]

 

[Lexington]

When Haleigh first disappeared, there was much talk by Misty of cleaning, washing blankets, etc. That's all she could talk about. People were immediately alerted that she might have been cleaning up a crime scene. Enter AS about a week later stating that she delivered laundry that night. Double cover - she did the laundry and she saw Haleigh on the porch eating dinner alive and well. Later, RC comes out with the statement that there was no laundry detergent in the house. Did LE ever confirm that there was no laundry detergent in the house that night? Maybe Misty's original statements were true. That she was indeed doing all the cleaning and blanket washing that she said she was doing. AS and RC then had to discredit her early statements because of the suspicious nature of all that cleaning and washing.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

So Neves said misty dressed her that day?? Is that to solidify the fact that misty was there. How does TN know every single detail of the case. She was not there. Who is relating the info to her or is she making it up? She even offers up they never close their bedroom door when they sleep. How in the begeezies would she know that?

Could it be because misty was NOT there? That's my guess. I get the impression that Haleigh was a handful and neither of those two were equipped to deal with her.

My impression of that day and night is that Ron was really in a "mood" as he could not find babysitting for the kids and he had to go to work...he was fuming and searching for misty. If he found her and where he found her is the mystery.

BBM -- This stands out to me, too. TN and GGS seem to know every little detail.

- They both have given very specific locations of MC and what exactly she was doing when she realized Haleigh was missing

- They both know exactly what MC and the kids did that night, what they ate and when they went to bed

- They both have told us exactly what MC did that night as far as cleaning

- TN stated there is ALWAYS dirty laundry on the floor by the washer

- They both stated that they slept with the bedroom door open and with the tv on, someone could've broke in and MC not heard

- TN stated RC ALWAYS locked the back door before leaving for work

- TN stated MC ALWAYS had Haleigh looking beautiful to go to school

- GGS (and possibly TN) stated the house was exactly as it was before Haleigh went missing, including where her toys were left
** Although, this one makes the least sense as neither admitted to being
in the mh before she went missing, and also said they had to clean
before film crews could go in . . .

- They both knew exactly where everyone slept, and even changed that story accordingly

- They could both tell you Haleighs favorite outfit and favorite toys

Now, when RC's been asked about much of this, he's either not sure about those details, or, as it pertains to that evening, he "don't know, cuz I wuz at werk". He claims to not have really asked MC any of the details of the evening.

Well, it's a good think TN and GGS know what's going on . . . .

 

[TxLady2]

My boys' grandmother kept extra clothes for them at her house all the time. Whenever they changed clothes at her house, she just washed the clothes they took off and kept them for them to change into another day. Simple.
It's possible that the laundry Gma delivered was just one or two changes of clothes for both Haleigh and Jr. that they left at her house over the weekend. Most gma's would not return dirty clothes, they would wash and dry them first.
I don't believe her sole purpose for that 30-mile round trip was to deliver the clean clothes... I believe she was sent there to check on the kids and to make sure they were being taken care of. If it had been me, checking on my g/kids and found them eating supper out on the front porch in the cool weather, they would have went back home with me in a heartbeat.
But I don't buy that story of having to drive 15 miles to get the outfit Haleigh wanted to wear that morning. Not at all.

 

[lil momma]

I am not buying the clothes drop off story either..... Too many comings and goings in and out of that MH that day.

What i don't understand is why bring the clothes over at that time of night? Why not give Ron the clothes when he went "all the way to Walaka" the very same morning to get HaLeigh an outfit. JMO

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Have we ever heard an explanation from MC about how she was doing laundry if there was no detergent in the home? Washed them without soap? Nope, don't buy that. I know from when my 4 y/o has had accidents, I've had to wash whatever he wet TWICE - and that's WITH soap.

Also, on the topic of explanations, what ever came about RC claiming their bed hadn't been slept in? I know MC said that wasn't true, have we heard anything else?

 

[Lexington]

My opinion is that the Cummings clan felt that LE was getting too close to Ron. They then made a concerted effort to put all the blame on Misty alone for whatever happened to Haleigh. Hence, Ron's stories that there was no detergent in the house, that Misty never slept in the bed. They then pursuaded Misty to take the battery of tests, which they knew she would fail, further casting her in a bad light. Ron then went one step further and divorced Misty, all in the name of covering his a##. I really wish that Misty would talk to LE, take the blame for participating in a coverup, and tell the true and complete story.

 

[debs]

My opinion is that the Cummings clan felt that LE was getting too close to Ron. They then made a concerted effort to put all the blame on Misty alone for whatever happened to Haleigh. Hence, Ron's stories that there was no detergent in the house, that Misty never slept in the bed. They then pursuaded Misty to take the battery of tests, which they knew she would fail, further casting her in a bad light. Ron then went one step further and divorced Misty, all in the name of covering his a##. I really wish that Misty would talk to LE, take the blame for participating in a coverup, and tell the true and complete story.

In order for them to discredit Misty, two premises must be resolved:
1. Either Misty really WAS washing all the blankets like she says, and therefore we need to find out why; or
2. She never was washing blankets and we need to find out why no one bothered to say a damn thing when she oft repeated that's exactly what she was doing.

IF there was no laundry soap, LE knows about it. IF there was laundry on the floor, LE knows knows about it. IF TN and GGMs and Ron's stories are true, then why the gushing lovefest and glee when he asked her to marry him? Why would you marry someone who is actively lying to you??? Why would you condone your son/grandson's actions???

 

[Lexington]

I don't believe that AS dropped by that night. The information never came from Misty initially. Would Misty remember that the a/c repairman was there, but not the children's great-grandmother dropping off laundry, especially since Misty was obsessed with laundry and blankets after Haleigh disappeared. I think not. AS's short visit entered the scenario much later on to confirm that Haleigh was alive and well at 7-8 pm, the excuse for being there was to drop off laundry.

 

[debs]

I agree it was an excuse. What I can't determine is why was there a need for one.

 

[LFlorida]

Why couldn't Ron find babysitting for the children that night? Annette was home. Teresa was home. Sounds like even Elisa was home.

Why would Ron go 'round up his g/f --- who had reportedly spent the weekend ho'ing around and getting majorly high --- to take care of his HEART?! [And his son.]

Is this a bad question? Why would Ron (and Teresa and Annette) even want Misty babysitting that night? After their breakup, her legendary weekend, etc., why did they let Misty babysit?

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't believe that AS dropped by that night. The information never came from Misty initially. Would Misty remember that the a/c repairman was there, but not the children's great-grandmother dropping off laundry, especially since Misty was obsessed with laundry and blankets after Haleigh disappeared. I think not. AS's short visit entered the scenario much later on to confirm that Haleigh was alive and well at 7-8 pm, the excuse for being there was to drop off laundry.

Could very well be, but I believe she was there that night.. Not for the reason she claims she was there though..It's quite possible Misty never mentioned her being there because Misty left the MH with her or someone else in Ron's family that night, and the Cummings/Sykes didn't want anyone to know that they were aware of what had happened before that 911 call was ever made...JMO

 

[Whisperer]

When I first heard that GGMS did the laundry, I was thinking about dysfunctional family life. My opinion was that she did the laundry because it wasn't getting done by Ron or Misty. Perhaps Ron expected Misty to do it but she wasn't doing it and I can hear an older family member thinking "Dang it! If those dern kids aren't going to do the laundry for the babies then I guess I'll just hafta get it done myself!"

That's just how I took it in the beginning and could it be that maybe that is the simple explanation? Just throwing that out there for y'all to consider.

AND it Tn lived nearby, she would be the one doing it, she doens't work and she tells us she sent "a family member" over to deliver laundry??

Tn does/did not live anywhere nearby at the time of the crime. That is why everything was left in GMA's hands. GMA most likely had the kids 80% of the time.

 

[Lexington]

I agree it was an excuse. What I can't determine is why was there a need for one.

Could it be that Haleigh was already "missing". Maybe the a/c repairman and whoever else was there, might not have been able to confirm Haleigh's presence at 5 o'clock or so. So in steps AS, who took on the job of witness to Haleigh's being alive and well at 7-8.

 

[debs]

Lex, that's as plausible a theory as I've heard yet!

 

[twall]

Could it be that Haleigh was already "missing". Maybe the a/c repairman and whoever else was there, might not have been able to confirm Haleigh's presence at 5 o'clock or so. So in steps AS, who took on the job of witness to Haleigh's being alive and well at 7-8.

I wonder what Tommy had to say to LE about Haleigh when he was visiting while the a/c man was there? IF he was there. (Tommy) It would be easy for the a/c man to recall, IMO, because Haleigh would have been the only girl there if Tommy did not bring his daughter-even if he did she is the youngest so it would be easier to distinguish who was who.

And something that Misty said in the hypnosis video bothers me-she said when Haleigh was riding her bike she was "doing good" (or something to that effect). Why wouldn't Haleigh be ok then? I think Misty slipped on that one.
I do think Haleigh was ok and present then, wasn't LE more interested in the 7 pm to 3 am time frame?

ETA-I sometimes forget what thread I am in-I may have veered off topic a bit-sorry.