Moorers' Bond Hearing - #2

[bestill]

(Would the time line fit for this?):
What IF - SM met Heather (she picked him up oh say.....at a Kangaroo gas station on 10th) - and she was killed BEFORE anyone got to PTL.....that SM drove Heathers car to PTL and had TM pick him up there -- and the only thing they needed to get rid of at that point was the phone??

The timeline could work and it sounds possible, but that doesn't explain the frantic one call after the other to SM's phone right before her phone signal ended.

 

[SStarr33]

Unfortunately - that could be as simple as the writer (who does not make that statement a quote - hence no "" marks) typing agencies instead of agency - or maybe the writer meant 'LE agencies' as a whole.... I can't take that report as proof she 'lied'. I read an article just this morning that had so many typos in it I was SMH. Also - after the bond hearing lots of reporters were saying they were being let go on a PR bond - when it was really a surety bond....

I need to do some work and will listen to the hearing from 2014 while I'm doing it and let you know what I find.

 

[Madeleine74]

A few possibilities for SM coming from behind dumpster to make a payphone call:

1. TM was with him and knew and was in on a plan, but he was trying to avoid being seen on any cameras that may be around.

2. TM was not with him and his story about leaving his wife was true (but why paranoia about cameras then? If TM wasn't with him and he was truly leaving his wife as he allegedly told HE, then why would he have to come from behind dumpsters to use the payphone?)

3. TM was not with him AND he was executing a plan to lure HE out for some nefarious purpose AND he thought he could avoid being seen on any cameras in the area because he had reason to know or believe that call to HE would be traced by LE.

In any event, he was apparently recorded on CCTV at that payphone and coming from behind the dumpsters and he lied about making a call to HE that night/morning. Oops. Gotcha.

 

[Eileen730]

I don't understand why he would need to come from behind a dumpster to make a call if TM was with him. I don't think she was, I think he was still trying to keep it on the down low.

I do not believe TM was with him either but I think she was LOOKING for him and HE.

 

[bestill]

I don't think SM thought about camera's that night, I think he was hiding from his wife, that's why he came from behind the dumpster. It would be interesting to know if he was working that night and had a little freedom.

 

[Motherof5]

(Would the time line fit for this?):
What IF - SM met Heather (she picked him up oh say.....at a Kangaroo gas station on 10th) - and she was killed BEFORE anyone got to PTL.....that SM drove Heathers car to PTL and had TM pick him up there -- and the only thing they needed to get rid of at that point was the phone??

I have wondered this also but wouldn't Heather's phone be pinging near wherever they went after she picked up SM?

 

[Eileen730]

A few possibilities for SM coming from behind dumpster to make a payphone call:

1. TM was with him and knew and was in on a plan, but he was trying to avoid being seen on any cameras that may be around.

2. TM was not with him and his story about leaving his wife was true (but why paranoia about cameras then? If TM wasn't with him and he was truly leaving his wife as he allegedly told HE, then why would he have to come from behind dumpsters to use the payphone?)

3. TM was not with him AND he was executing a plan to lure HE out for some nefarious purpose AND he thought he could avoid being seen on any cameras in the area because he had reason to know or believe that call to HE would be traced by LE.

In any event, he was apparently recorded on CCTV at that payphone and coming from behind the dumpsters and he lied about making a call to HE that night/morning. Oops. Gotcha.

BBM I don't think he was hiding from cameras I don't think he knew there was a camera. I think he saw his wife riding around looking for him!
JMO

 

[Richmond]

(Would the time line fit for this?):
What IF - SM met Heather (she picked him up oh say.....at a Kangaroo gas station on 10th) - and she was killed BEFORE anyone got to PTL.....that SM drove Heathers car to PTL and had TM pick him up there -- and the only thing they needed to get rid of at that point was the phone??

Wouldn't LE then have SM's DNA in Heather's car? (Not that we know whether they do or not at this point.)

 

[NFYIAMY]

I've always felt that him calling her from the payphone at 1:30 was probably because TM had taken his cell phone away, or that he knew she was keeping tabs on it via online or whatever. If that theory is correct, it goes along with BW(roommate) stating that SM had told HE that he was leaving the wife and wanted to be with HE.

What i can't wrap my head around is how it came to be that 2 hours later HE is headed to PTL. I know they said that she called the payphone back a couple times with noone answering...and then proceeded to call his Cell. I've always kind of figured that when she tried to call him back on his cell that perhaps somehow then TM saw and came up with the plan to either accompany SM to meet heather now that she was aware of it. Or else she followed somehow and SM was as surprised as HE was.

The problem with the "surprise" theory above would be....wouldn't the LE also then have video of another vehicle owned by the Moorer's heading to and from PTL? Unless she went a different way. But again, if she showed up and surprised a re-united HE and SM...whatever was done would have taken even LONGER than the brief few minutes that they had at PTL. Thinking out loud kind of makes me lean towards them BOTH being involved rather than her doing the deed and him having knowledge of it after the fact as some have guessed.

What a damn mess!! Where the hell is Heather???

Here's the thing that always stuck in my mind based on that scenario - why would SM drive home - if he was going to meet Heather? Wouldn't he have met her coming from MB (not from his house)? Unless they met up and he and Heather drove to the landing - then TM was the one who drove there, picked him up and drove back? This leads back to what I posted a few minutes ago - that PTL was just the 'get the hell outta dodge' meeting place they thought would be a good place to leave her car to make it look like something other than what really happened to her.

With that said - then the question remains - What happened to her and where?

 

[Eileen730]

(Would the time line fit for this?):
What IF - SM met Heather (she picked him up oh say.....at a Kangaroo gas station on 10th) - and she was killed BEFORE anyone got to PTL.....that SM drove Heathers car to PTL and had TM pick him up there -- and the only thing they needed to get rid of at that point was the phone??

This is possible!
Was SMs dna found in her car?

 

[SStarr33]

I can't find the other bond hearing from March 2014. I thought I remembered watching it, but now I don't see it.

 

[NFYIAMY]

Just an fyi, there's a fb page that discusses the M's case and they obviously are reading here, it's pretty evident because they are using our acronyms and theories to start discussions

If that's true - I hope TM will post something to give fodder to believe her. Nothing to incite anything - but just maybe why she thinks SM didn't do anything to Heather... She needs to get her story out - cuz as quickly as this seemed to turn on a dime in their favor - it could just as quickly turn back....

 

[NFYIAMY]

A few possibilities for SM coming from behind dumpster to make a payphone call:

1. TM was with him and knew and was in on a plan, but he was trying to avoid being seen on any cameras that may be around.

2. TM was not with him and his story about leaving his wife was true (but why paranoia about cameras then? If TM wasn't with him and he was truly leaving his wife as he allegedly told HE, then why would he have to come from behind dumpsters to use the payphone?)

3. TM was not with him AND he was executing a plan to lure HE out for some nefarious purpose AND he thought he could avoid being seen on any cameras in the area because he had reason to know or believe that call to HE would be traced by LE.

In any event, he was apparently recorded on CCTV at that payphone and coming from behind the dumpsters and he lied about making a call to HE that night/morning. Oops. Gotcha.

Or he parked behind the building and walking to the phone meant he had to walk past the dumpsters?

 

[New2MB]

If we're talking what they did with her, they could have had a boat ready at the landing to take her away.

I'm leaning more towards an old "disposable" boat being used.We have to remember, no one realized she was missing for a while, the Ms had a lot of time (2 months) to get stories straight, get rid of anything that could have been used.

 

[NFYIAMY]

I have wondered this also but wouldn't Heather's phone be pinging near wherever they went after she picked up SM?

Not if he went to her apartment or somewhere close to initially meet up with her?

 

[NFYIAMY]

This is possible!
Was SMs dna found in her car?

I don't think we have the answer to that question.

 

[SStarr33]

Something that just occurred to me is that the lack of physical evidence can also be incriminating. How many cases have we seen where a car, car trunk, or room is SO clean that it is not believable.

 

[rtjedarling]

The timeline could work and it sounds possible, but that doesn't explain the frantic one call after the other to SM's phone right before her phone signal ended.

Heathers phone may have been used by someone else if that was the only phone they had or if they saw on it something that indicated a call to her which can be claimed she was calling me i called to tell her to stop to have a few more calls from her phone would just support that claim. And who would have their own phone with them when up to no good

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

The timeline could work and it sounds possible, but that doesn't explain the frantic one call after the other to SM's phone right before her phone signal ended.

Also, then they would need to do something to get rid of a crime scene either in Heather's car or somewhere else between 10th ave and PTL? Also, didn't they have the "ping" info on Heather's phone showing exactly where she(or her phone) was the entire time?

 

[OkieGranny]

I can't find the other bond hearing from March 2014. I thought I remembered watching it, but now I don't see it.

I'd like to listen to that initial bond hearing as well, but am not sure the video ever made it onto the 'net. I remember some discussion about trying to get a copy of the court transcript, because there was no video available?

I'll transcribe that sucker in a hot second if it's out there somewhere, because I know I missed some details the first time around and would certainly like to review.