Motion to stop jail recordings: denied Thurdsay

[LambChop]

BBM

He has a aircraft carrier full of evidence that proves she didn't murder Caylee that he has to bring into that room each and every time he meets with KC of course.

Do you think the fact that JB asked to bring his laptop into his meetings may be why the meetings are recorded. This is far fetched but he could be bringing in plans to the sewer systems underneath the jail. Not serious here but I am sure other things have happened in the past that make the camera's necessary under certain conditions. What would stop her from emailing on his computer? I can see why the cameras are there.

 

[LambChop]

BBM

He has a aircraft carrier full of evidence that proves she didn't murder Caylee that he has to bring into that room each and every time he meets with KC of course.

I have heard you have to be a certain distance from the wall for the spaghetti to stick. I don't have a link.

 

[wonders]

Do you think the fact that JB asked to bring his laptop into his meetings may be why the meetings are recorded. This is far fetched but he could be bringing in plans to the sewer systems underneath the jail. Not serious here but I am sure other things have happened in the past that make the camera's necessary under certain conditions. What would stop her from emailing on his computer? I can see why the cameras are there.

That he brings his laptop with him has always bothered me cuz IMO he is the most underhanded snake slithering and I also believe that she communicated with her parents through his laptop. Just seems to me that ever how convenient a laptop is attonerys should only be allowed a pin, pencil and paper. I know, I know I'm a real seahag today.

Sooooo.
Why don't they just put in a motion for airfare to a country who has no extradition, a permanent penthouse at the Ritz or even a fully stocked (w/men) bridal suite, a rolls royce every year and last but not least an unlimited cash cow for KC at the expense of all the good tax payers of Florida.

 

[notthatsmart]

I have been in this thread for an hour lurking about. Suddenly I realized. What about the evidence????? Yes the defense again has succeded in getting me to take my eye off the ball. So, its back to looking for evidence threads for me.

 

[knt]

I've wondered about the laptop myself. Attorney visits might provide KC with several hours at a time to play around on the computer. I know I'd love that opportunity if I was in jail. Just messing around on the internet would be a welcome break. Or watching a favorite tv show online, a movie, whatever. I'm sure JB could keep himself occupied catching up on paperwork, catnapping, whatever... Wouldn't look too good to the viewing public though!

 

[LambChop]

I've wondered about the laptop myself. Attorney visits might provide KC with several hours at a time to play around on the computer. I know I'd love that opportunity if I was in jail. Just messing around on the internet would be a welcome break. Or watching a favorite tv show online, a movie, whatever. I'm sure JB could keep himself occupied catching up on paperwork, catnapping, whatever... Wouldn't look too good to the viewing public though!

And how about all those many hours of visits from some of the legal staff. I'm sure they brought their computers, too.

 

[logicalgirl]

I've wondered about the laptop myself. Attorney visits might provide KC with several hours at a time to play around on the computer. I know I'd love that opportunity if I was in jail. Just messing around on the internet would be a welcome break. Or watching a favorite tv show online, a movie, whatever. I'm sure JB could keep himself occupied catching up on paperwork, catnapping, whatever... Wouldn't look too good to the viewing public though!

My understanding is that he can bring his laptop but not a network connection with him. However, that doesn't stop him from downloading just about anything, filing it, including letters into his computer, and saving them for her to read as doc files. Same goes for her writing a letter - you don't need an internet connection to write a letter to save as a document and send it later.

 

[knt]

My understanding is that he can bring his laptop but not a network connection with him. However, that doesn't stop him from downloading just about anything, filing it, including letters into his computer, and saving them for her to read as doc files. Same goes for her writing a letter - you don't need an internet connection to write a letter to save as a document and send it later.

Thanks. No internet would be more reasonable. But, if umm.. certain attorneys... are just trusted to follow the rules, I'm not sure how closely that could be monitored. If it's a case of the internet not being accessible in that building, then that does make feel better!

 

[kaRN]

I have been in this thread for an hour lurking about. Suddenly I realized. What about the evidence????? Yes the defense again has succeded in getting me to take my eye off the ball. So, its back to looking for evidence threads for me.

The need to plea or not all stems from the criminal evidence and lack of evidence there is any defense. If you're looking for the smoking gun, it's not here on WS. My guess is a truckload of smoking guns sits waiting for trial, unbenounced to us in the courthouse. That's why JB and crew are sweating all the small things...all the time and avoiding their obligations re discovery at every turn.

 

[BeanE]

I think that the Defense are spinning and mis-representing this as much as they can both to win privileges but also it is the only venue to push back against everything else and try to win over some public opinion and seek sympathy for KC. This is THE Defense strategy. Poor KC.

I am not too sure even if they were given everything they wanted they still would not milk this as an example of how KC is being vilified by everyone -- State, County, Media and, Public Opinion so therefore cannot get a fair trial and therefore............

Perhaps.

I thought the motion was acknowledging that their client knew the skull of the unidentified child in the news as addressed by the motion was that of their client's own baby. I was taken aback for a moment.

 

[knt]

Perhaps.

I thought the motion was acknowledging that their client knew the skull of the unidentified child in the news as addressed by the motion was that of their client's own baby. I was taken aback for a moment.

Maybe another fruedian slip by the defense?! :waitasec:

 

[Spangle]

up to the prosecutors.

If the goal all along is for a mistrial, what sort of goal is that, if it can still can be tried. IT just delays the trial, for what point? A different lawyer?

Maybe someone should point that out to KC. That a mistrial only delays the trial. And she will still be setting in Jail waiting for it. So she might want to inform her lawyers that they better get busy using that evidence that she gave them that proves her innocence and investigate it, talk to witness. Talk to experts, etc. They better get busy.

The mistrial option is only a simple paycheck for the lawyers involved in this case. Which they take, and leave KC behind bars.

 

[believe09]

I was on the periphery of a case where someone changed attorney's at least 3 times and pushed the proceedings out for years. It is like the ex photographer in CA who is having his third trial right now for the murder of a 12 year old-it starts the clock almost all over again...better than having a sentence of death handed to you I suppose.

 

[cloud9]

from the last part:

"... Miss Anthony's attorneys may have to advise their client that the meetings cannot continue for fear of confidential information leaking to the press. Miss Anthony's counsel does not wish to give her this advice, but if they cannot meet with their client without the threat of videotapes of those meetings being distributed to the public, they will be forced to do so. The inability to meet with counsel, and its attendant ramifications, will amount to per se ineffective assistance of counsel."


What are they trying to do there...

Have case thrown out claiming KC couldn't get counsel without her constitutional rights being violated?:waitasec:

 

[JBean]

If the goal all along is for a mistrial, what sort of goal is that, if it can still can be tried. IT just delays the trial, for what point? A different lawyer?

Maybe someone should point that out to KC. That a mistrial only delays the trial. And she will still be setting in Jail waiting for it. So she might want to inform her lawyers that they better get busy using that evidence that she gave them that proves her innocence and investigate it, talk to witness. Talk to experts, etc. They better get busy.

The mistrial option is only a simple paycheck for the lawyers involved in this case. Which they take, and leave KC behind bars.

A mistrial can be very useful to the defense. It gives them a chance to get the charges dropped,reduced or have a 'do over"
If the states evidence and case is strong, take it to the bank that they will have another trial (think Phil Spector) Depending on the reason for the mistrial, they can learn from the problem and build a better case second time around.
however, the defense can do the same. Think of Cameron Brown. he has now been tried twice for the murder of his precious daughter. Different state and different rules, but all 12 jurors agreed that he was responsible for the death of that girl, but they could not agree to what degree, so it was a mistrial. He will now probably face a 3rd go around, but don;t be surprised if they reduce the charges to guarantee conviction. So, the defendant may clearly benefit from 2 mistrials. The defense can also see exactly how the prosecution is coming at them and possibly prepare better. New defense tactic, new attorney? who knows.

But in the event of a mistrial the SA can always interview the original jury and find out if the evidence was compelling to them and what was or wasn't working.

ETA: Not to mention a mistrial can re-open the door for a plea deal. but we wil have to wait for trial to start before mistrial comes on the radar.

 

[Manny]

I understand what is said between attorney/client should remain confidential under her constitutional rights but everyone in their right mind knows that there are video's recoring EVERYWHERE in jails. Some are recorded with audio some aren't. According to those in charge of the jail it seems that there are rooms without audio that Jose could go into but he doesn't want to go to them because they have inadequate room for him and his client (whatever). Or is he even in a room that records audio and he is just trying to make a scene?

I think they should be recorded (without audio) but it should never be released. As much as I would love to see it.

I do remember the jail representative in court saying they were neutral ground. However, they did take orders from the SO to make sure Casey was placed where she would see the news report and the tape had to be saved and sent to them. Doesn't sound too neutral to me. Strange place Florida.
I suppose they could hire a guard that lip reads and then they would be able to report every word said to the client. Whoever that client would be, would you all approve of that ????
I cannot find fault with them wanting to be able to talk to a client without a tape that can be duplicated (since they did it before) over and perhaps given to almost anyone.

 

[Spangle]

A mistrial can be very useful to the defense. It gives them a chance to get the charges dropped,reduced or have a 'do over"
If the states evidence and case is strong, take it to the bank that they will have another trial (think Phil Spector) Depending on the reason for the mistrial, they can learn from the problem and build a better case second time around.
however, the defense can do the same. Think of Cameron Brown. he has now been tried twice for the murder of his precious daughter. Different state and different rules, but all 12 jurors agreed that he was responsible for the death of that girl, but they could not agree to what degree, so it was a mistrial. He will now probably face a 3rd go around, but don;t be surprised if they reduce the charges to guarantee conviction. So, the defendant may clearly benefit from 2 mistrials. The defense can also see exactly how the prosecution is coming at them and possibly prepare better. New defense tactic, new attorney? who knows.

But in the event of a mistrial the SA can always interview the original jury and find out if the evidence was compelling to them and what was or wasn't working.

ETA: Not to mention a mistrial can re-open the door for a plea deal. but we wil have to wait for trial to start before mistrial comes on the radar.

Thank you! That is more detail then I knew before. But along the lines of what I thought would be the case.

Since it seems to be the focus of the defense team, it made me worried that I had it wrong. That it might be some sort of 'get out of jail free' card or something.

 

[Spangle]

I do remember the jail representative in court saying they were neutral ground. However, they did take orders from the SO to make sure Casey was placed where she would see the news report and the tape had to be saved and sent to them. Doesn't sound too neutral to me. Strange place Florida.
I suppose they could hire a guard that lip reads and then they would be able to report every word said to the client. Whoever that client would be, would you all approve of that ????
I cannot find fault with them wanting to be able to talk to a client without a tape that can be duplicated (since they did it before) over and perhaps given to almost anyone.

When did that happen? I missed that.

 

[ynotdivein]

That it might be some sort of 'get out of jail free' card or something.

Respectfully snipped...

More like a "get out of the DP free" card. The mere fact that they are pursuing these options without actively investigating witnesses or dragging Henry Lee out of hiding (I've heard of long lunches but geez) gives us a great deal of insight into the cards they hold, as far as preventing a jury finding for guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[JBean]

Given the sheer volume and weight of discovery evidence and testimony against KC, they are worried about the more rare attorney client meetings in jail? Priorities, priorities, priorities?

It seems that they are NOT focused on the case at all but more focused on a means to seek a 'mistrial' as promised to KC due to ineffective counsel -- due to circumstances outside their control.

Do you mean ineffective counsel as an appellate issue? or do you mean she is planning on filing something pretrial for ineffective counsel? or do you mean she is planning on asking for a mistrial during the trial based on her counsel?

ETA: ok I got caught up on the thread and i see the reference to >>per se ineffective assistance of counsel<< and I wantd to find some examples of that.

This is my favorite so far:
D. Counsel Asleep During Trial. Accused asuffered prejudice....if his counsel was repeatedly unconscious at trial for periods of time in which defendants interests were at stake.
http://www.mcacp.org/iac.pdf