MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #10

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  • #161
Somebody is fibbing about the phone call. Lisa says she and Jessica spoke from 6:48 - 7:13. That's not brief. I believe LE is telling the truth especially in light of LD's recounting of the call.
 
  • #162
Here's the meat of the interview posted here http://www.supertalk.fm/gallorecap-february-27th/, transcribed... between Paul Gallo (PG) and John Champion (JC)

(starting around 1:25)

JC: ...We know she was on the scene where she was found at 7:30, and the call came in at around 8:00. But from 6:30 to 7:30 we're attempting at this point to fill in those gaps.

PG: So you did, a little bit... as a matter of fact, you said that at 7:15 or 7:13 she was on the phone with her mother?

JC: It was her mother...of course they just could talk for very briefly, and no indication during the phone call of where she was, so, you know, we're pulling out just trying to fill the gap where she was, and we're hoping if we can, that's gonna tell us the answer.

PG: At 7:13, which means, that was the last phone call...did her mother say anything, where was she at 7:13, can you pin that down?

JC: Where was she, is that what you said?

PG: Yeah, did her mother say where she was at 7:13?

JC: No, there was no indication of where she was in that phone call, it was just a brief phone call between her and her mother, there was no indication of where she was.

PG: Is there any other news out there? I mean, are you more hopeful, the same, status quo...or where are we now, as far as the investigation is concerned?

JC: I mean I think at this point we're still status quo....I mean, we're...you know, it's taken us a lot of hard work to get to the point where - I know a lot of folks don't think that, but it's taken us a lot of hard work to get to the point where we've narrowed it down to a one hour period...and that's what we're attempting at this point to fill in the blanks in that one hour period. And we do believe if we can, that's gonna tell us who did this.

PG: You had a scope of some suspects or at least people of interest, I wouldn't call them suspects, but people of interest, and that's probably narrowed down...is that the case? No new people being added to that, but the same people of interest, and maybe narrowing that down?

JC: I really can't say that, ummm...you know quite frankly, the whole book is still open(?), as far as...you know, we'll get a good lead and we'll follow it down and then all of a sudden you know, kinda...(hits us in the face with it?)... and so, you know, other than, than... you know, a few people that we had thought might've had something to do with it, we're really not in a position to name persons as a suspect...you know, we've obviously got our eyes on some people, but that's all I can say.

PG: Let me ask you a question, and I don't want this to be taken the wrong way...

JC: Okay...

PG: But I know that there are, you guys look at every possible scenario, especially, the more the mystery deepens, the more scenarios you look at.

JC: Yes.

PG: Has the scenario ever - and again, please don't take this the wrong way - has the scenario ever been part of this equation, that it may have been an accident? Or, you know...some...in any form?

JC: No.

PG: (echoing JC's answer) No, okay.

JC: And there are some reasons that I can't get into of why that is. But from an evidentiary standpoint, we do not believe at all that it was an accident.

PG: Okay, but at least you do recognize that that was one of the things that you guys made sure that, that was taken out of the picture...okay.

JC: Oh yes, absolutely, yes yes yes, that was discussed very very early on...um, you know, was it an accident, could it have been a possible suicide... and just, because of the layout of the crime scene, the layout of the, the evidence that we've located, it just doesn't match that at all.

...

PG: Well, I wish there was more to talk about, but that's basically it. Is the FBI, and everybody else, is still on the scene?

JC: Everybody is still on the case. We still have...the Sheriff's department is working on the case, the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation, we've got the U.S. Marshalls, the FBI, the ATF, and the U.S. Attorney's Office is also helping us.
 
  • #163
Somebody is fibbing about the phone call. Lisa says she and Jessica spoke from 6:48 - 7:13. That's not brief. I believe LE especially in light of LD's recounting of the call.

This struck me weird, too, after listening to this interview, and the point being made twice "this was a very brief phone call" - what?! For someone who left the house barely two hours earlier, spending 20 minutes on the phone is hardly "very brief" - and then, once they hung up at 7:13, nothing for the whole hour following...?

I wonder if Lisa's first call was at 6:48 (the one Jessica did not pick up) and a subsequent call 15-20 minutes later was the one where they "talked very briefly." Something needs to be clarified about that phone call.

If it was indeed "very brief" - then the content would have been minimal. If it was indeed more like 20 minutes long - that's plenty of time for more than just "yeah, I'm cleaning out my car + grabbing a bite and I'll be home soon." Something is quite wrong here.
 
  • #164
Just listened to the JC interview. He sounded so indecisive in his answers. I realize he was trying to be careful with his choice of words but I think he should have been more stern and assured with the times at least. I mean, I'm sure he's been over them often. Maybe it's just his demeanor. I dunno? Not an accident. I get that now.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. Sorry for any typos!
 
  • #165
What am I missing? Is it not clear that the missing hour was likely the "party"? Or, perhaps LE has ruled that out, but I haven't seen a report of it, if so.
 
  • #166
Update on time of mothers call with Jessica...Justice for Jessica facebook page

February 18 at 5:42am

"Lisa Daugherty: Yes I talked to her from either 6:48-7:13or 6:58-7:13 I'm not positive on the exact time the call began"

https://www.facebook.com/JUSTICEforJESSICALANE

Classito
 
  • #167
Okay. LD said she was waiting on Jessica to bring her cigarettes and clean her room. She texted her, called her once--no answer. Then they finally connect. Does anyone believe that in the course of their conversation, whether it be brief or 30 minutes, that Lisa did not ask Jessica one of the following questions: where are you? Or what are you doing? If you are waiting on someone to return home, one of those two questions would likely be the first thing you say to that person. I would be very interested to know if lisa talked to anyone else immediately before or after talking with Jessica.
 
  • #168
Update on time of mothers call with Jessica...Justice for Jessica facebook page

February 18 at 5:42am

"Lisa Daugherty: Yes I talked to her from either 6:48-7:13or 6:58-7:13 I'm not positive on the exact time the call began"

https://www.facebook.com/JUSTICEforJESSICALANE

Classito

Okay, I get that most times, people don't know exact times of calls from memory, but LD has insisted all along that the call was 6:48 to 7:13...and now she decides it may have been 6:58 to 7:13?? I have a novel idea for her...look at your phone log. Who is to say it wasn't 7:08 to 7:13? I am really starting to question any "fact" that I hear about this case, no matter whose mouth it comes from..
 
  • #169
News from the radio show:
  • Call with her mother was just brief and didn't indicate where Jess was
  • DA believes if they can find out where she was during the one hour window they will find her murderer
  • They have their eyes on some people but that's all they can say
  • From an evidentiary standpoint they do not believe at all this is an accident or suicide nor have they ever
  • All agencies are still on the case
  • New information very very very slow to come in

Thank-you Southern Yankee and Han for listening!

i was previewing my answer to Han & the screen scrolled to a 'you are not authorized' screen. I am too tired to rewrite my lengthy post.

instead I will focus on what is most hinky :wink: to me. Why the discrepancy between Lisa Daughty on the cell phone call with Jessica and DA Champion.

Lisa said phone conversation from approximately 6:48 to 7:13. Time stamp on her cell phone indicated 7:13 was the end of the call.

DA Champion 1st released a timeline without Lisa's cell conversation. STOP the presses,because Champion (must have had a change of heart)then revises the timeline to a vague reference to 'a call with her mother that was brief'.

Why is Champion trivializing and blatenly obfuscating on the timeline? Heck,he is almost dismissive to what should be a KEY part of the timeline,"The elephant in the room", a vital call smack in the middle of what he acknowledges is the key hour and Jessica's murderers.

Can someone :praying: help me understand?
my opinion only
:cow:
 
  • #170
Okay. LD said she was waiting on Jessica to bring her cigarettes and clean her room. She texted her, called her once--no answer. Then they finally connect. Does anyone believe that in the course of their conversation, whether it be brief or 30 minutes, that Lisa did not ask Jessica one of the following questions: where are you? Or what are you doing? If you are waiting on someone to return home, one of those two questions would likely be the first thing you say to that person. I would be very interested to know if lisa talked to anyone else immediately before or after talking with Jessica.

I'd be willing to bet that LD definitely asked her daughter where she was, but I'd also be willing to bet that JC wouldn't have told her, especially if she was meeting up with people/a person when she was supposed to be running an errand and heading back home.
 
  • #171
Thank-you Southern Yankee and Han for listening!

i was previewing my answer to Han & the screen scrolled to a 'you are not authorized' screen. I am too tired to rewrite my lengthy post.

instead I will focus on what is most hinky :wink: to me. Why the discrepancy between Lisa Daughty on the cell phone call with Jessica and DA Champion.

Lisa said phone conversation from approximately 6:48 to 7:13. Time stamp on her cell phone indicated 7:13 was the end of the call.

DA Champion 1st released a timeline without Lisa's cell conversation. STOP the presses,because Champion (must have had a change of heart)then revises the timeline to a vague reference to 'a call with her mother that was brief'.

Why is Champion trivializing and blatenly obfuscating on the timeline? Heck,he is almost dismissive to what should be a KEY part of the timeline,"The elephant in the room", a vital call smack in the middle of what he acknowledges is the key hour and Jessica's murderers.

Can someone [emoji14]raying: help me understand?
my opinion only
:cow:
Read the timeline again
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/28130565/new-details-in-jessica-chambers-murder-case

There is zero about any cell phone. She was seen by people,CCTV or traffic cameras only
moo
It makes me think it was encrypted or off.
LE would have communication from JC cell phone provider. I guess they don't have
her mom's. I think they are clear about cell phone activities. Even when he clears up the missing hour he says PIN DATA not PINGS
There is a problem.
"officials were not able to pin down much data from the call." http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...e-call-in-jessica-chambers-timeline/23996469/
 
  • #172
I wonder just how they hope to find out where Jessica was during that missing hour if they haven't found out by now by tracking her phone or by a witness who saw her. I guess if the killer or killers walk into the police station and confess, they might find out who did this, but unless that happens, I've just about given up hope that they ever find those responsible for this. I would think the killers feel pretty secure by now that they've gotten away with it. If they don't know where Jessica was during this missing hour, well then.....maybe they can find out if any of their persons of interest or people they've "got their eye on" had cell phone pings at the scene from 7:30-8:00 that night.
 
  • #173
I wonder just how they hope to find out where Jessica was during that missing hour if they haven't found out by now by tracking her phone or by a witness who saw her. I guess if the killer or killers walk into the police station and confess, they might find out who did this, but unless that happens, I've just about given up hope that they ever find those responsible for this. I would think the killers feel pretty secure by now that they've gotten away with it. If they don't know where Jessica was during this missing hour, well then.....maybe they can find out if any of their persons of interest or people they've "got their eye on" had cell phone pings at the scene from 7:30-8:00 that night.

BBM...My guess is they have and they possibly did, but that alone is not gonna get a conviction. They need more...lots more...and apparently they don't have it. JMO
 
  • #174
I agree with your assessment that Jessica likely would've fibbed about where she was. But Lisa has detailed her conversation with Jess, during which she has never ascertained the answers (truthful or fictitious) to either of those questions. Lisa can only say she doesn't know and It was quiet and Jessica was going to clean her car and go eat... I'm starting to think maybe, just maybe it wasn't cigs Jess was getting her mom and maybe Lisa knows exactly where Jessica was at the time, because, like you, I believe Lisa asked where Jessica was. I believe Jessica answered her (truthful or lie is irrelevant). Yet, Lisa says she doesn't know where JC was, while simultaneously saying what Jessica told her she was going to do----which we all know wasn't true. There is a reason for Lisa omitting where Jessica asserts she was at the time of the call. And given that it's during the hour of the great void, this is seemingly quite hinky to me.
 
  • #175
Read the timeline again
http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/28130565/new-details-in-jessica-chambers-murder-case

There is zero about any cell phone. She was seen by people,CCTV or traffic cameras only
moo
It makes me think it was encrypted or off.
LE would have communication from JC cell phone provider. I guess they don't have
her mom's. I think they are clear about cell phone activities. Even when he clears up the missing hour he says PIN DATA not PINGS
There is a problem.
"officials were not able to pin down much data from the call." http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...e-call-in-jessica-chambers-timeline/23996469/

HI gngr~snap!,
After the My Fox Memphis timeline on Feb 17th there was a new revised timeline by DA Champion in the Clarion-Ledger Feb 25th. Hope this helps explain my post.
:smile:
Feb 25,2015

DA explains missing phone call in Jessica Chambers' timeline
The reason a phone call between Jessica Chambers and her mother was not included in an official timeline released last week is because officials were not able to pin down much data from the call.


<snipped>
During that time, Chambers and her mother talked on the phone. According to Lisa Daugherty, she called Chambers twice. The first time Jessica did not answer, but the second time she did. Daugherty said she got off the phone with Chambers at 7:13 p.m.


http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...e-call-in-jessica-chambers-timeline/23996469/
 
  • #176
HI gngr~snap!,
After the My Fox Memphis timeline on Feb 17th there was a new revised timeline by DA Champion in the Clarion-Ledger Feb 25th. Hope this helps explain my post.
:smile:
Feb 25,2015

DA explains missing phone call in Jessica Chambers' timeline
The reason a phone call between Jessica Chambers and her mother was not included in an official timeline released last week is because officials were not able to pin down much data from the call.


<snipped>
During that time, Chambers and her mother talked on the phone. According to Lisa Daugherty, she called Chambers twice. The first time Jessica did not answer, but the second time she did. Daugherty said she got off the phone with Chambers at 7:13 p.m.


http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...e-call-in-jessica-chambers-timeline/23996469/

This just makes me fuming mad. Just because they don't have an exact location, they should know she was in Coutland. It still should've been mentioned in the timeline because it was something she was doing in Courtland during the lost hour!
 
  • #177
HI gngr~snap!,
After the My Fox Memphis timeline on Feb 17th there was a new revised timeline by DA Champion in the Clarion-Ledger Feb 25th. Hope this helps explain my post.
[emoji2]
Feb 25,2015

DA explains missing phone call in Jessica Chambers' timeline
The reason a phone call between Jessica Chambers and her mother was not included in an official timeline released last week is because officials were not able to pin down much data from the call.


<snipped>
During that time, Chambers and her mother talked on the phone. According to Lisa Daugherty, she called Chambers twice. The first time Jessica did not answer, but the second time she did. Daugherty said she got off the phone with Chambers at 7:13 p.m.


http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...e-call-in-jessica-chambers-timeline/23996469/
[emoji6] I added it to my post above. His expiation confused me more at first. Then it clicked.
It's clever wording.
 
  • #178
Thank-you Southern Yankee and Han for listening!

i was previewing my answer to Han & the screen scrolled to a 'you are not authorized' screen. I am too tired to rewrite my lengthy post.

instead I will focus on what is most hinky :wink: to me. Why the discrepancy between Lisa Daughty on the cell phone call with Jessica and DA Champion.

Lisa said phone conversation from approximately 6:48 to 7:13. Time stamp on her cell phone indicated 7:13 was the end of the call.

DA Champion 1st released a timeline without Lisa's cell conversation. STOP the presses,because Champion (must have had a change of heart)then revises the timeline to a vague reference to 'a call with her mother that was brief'.

Why is Champion trivializing and blatenly obfuscating on the timeline? Heck,he is almost dismissive to what should be a KEY part of the timeline,"The elephant in the room", a vital call smack in the middle of what he acknowledges is the key hour and Jessica's murderers.

Can someone :praying: help me understand?
my opinion only
:cow:

BBM.

We've gone from a phone call reported to have gone on for ~20 minutes, to a brief phone call with her mother. This is absolutely maddening. 1/3rd of the time she's in the crucial missing hour and they can't get any location data? Un****ingbelievable. The question begs to be answered, was Jessica even using her own phone to call her mother? How in heavens name do they know she was at the scene of her death at 7:30, and don't know where she was before that. Cell towers don't work like that, they're on, or they're off. I intentionally left reading about this case alone for a while because it was getting to me, this isn't what I hoped for on my return. Something isn't right here, something is very, very wrong. Those federal agencies are dug in deep with no sign of leaving soon, at least we have that to be grateful for. I really feared they would have left already. Someone there has to know something, they need to start throwing more money in the pot, this is downright insanity,

Not one "fact" in this case has remained static, every last detail has changed, been disproven, disputed or retracted. Save one, they know it's a murder. I'd like to see what evidence they have to substantiate that. I'm certain however, they're not disclosing that as to confirm any testimony given on the crime. You know, like how was she restrained, only someone who was there, or actually heard about the crime from the criminals would know that.

Aaaaaargh :gaah:
 
  • #179
I've always had this gut feeling that because of the findings of the front car seats reclined, JC may have been partying with a man & getting "romantic" as well. Years ago we used to call it "parking".

And then I think a third party---a jealous lover of one of them snuck up & caught them in the act & that infuriated them into blind rage & the burning commenced.

This theory of mine works particularly well if JC was with a married man w/wife & kids. The wife would've committed the deadly arson & the cheating hubby is feeling all sorts of guilt. Plus, he can't snitch on the mother of his kids---who would take care of them...that might be the mindset & explain the silence. But this theory also could work the other way where JC was with a man who had a jealous son, father, cousin, etc.
Bottom line is no one knows JC's personal/sexual life.....but there seemed to be jealous people in her surroundings.

And I would still be looking at the previous fire issue that night & who is comfortable or has a history of being near/starting fires.

Just all moo
 
  • #180
BBM.

We've gone from a phone call reported to have gone on for ~20 minutes, to a brief phone call with her mother. This is absolutely maddening. 1/3rd of the time she's in the crucial missing hour and they can't get any location data? Un****ingbelievable. The question begs to be answered, was Jessica even using her own phone to call her mother? How in heavens name do they know she was at the scene of her death at 7:30, and don't know where she was before that. Cell towers don't work like that, they're on, or they're off. I intentionally left reading about this case alone for a while because it was getting to me, this isn't what I hoped for on my return. Something isn't right here, something is very, very wrong. Those federal agencies are dug in deep with no sign of leaving soon, at least we have that to be grateful for. I really feared they would have left already. Someone there has to know something, they need to start throwing more money in the pot, this is downright insanity,

Not one "fact" in this case has remained static, every last detail has changed, been disproven, disputed or retracted. Save one, they know it's a murder. I'd like to see what evidence they have to substantiate that. I'm certain however, they're not disclosing that as to confirm any testimony given on the crime. You know, like how was she restrained, only someone who was there, or actually heard about the crime from the criminals would know that.

Aaaaaargh :gaah:
This is a big clue, because the truth remains the same. The question is why has it changed?
 
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