MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #2

[PeterThomasFan]

It interesting to see who's friend with who on Facebook and what commonality there is between two people.

Here are instructions from Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/help/210842332283728
It's odd how someone that was recently interviewed saying that she knew JC forever is not even in her friends list. :thinking: On any of her FB pages for that matter!

 

[debirlfan]

I've seen a picture of a overlooked whiskey bottle at the crime scene. It is inexcusable that items like that were overlooked. Who is not to say that that bottle contained something other than whiskey?

For that matter, could booze (possibly moonshine?) be used as an accelerant?

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Her father refers to it as a "battered women's shelter"

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jessica-chambers-teen-burned-death-mourned-funeral-n267811

 

[PrairieWind]

It could, yes. However, since the fire department and police immediately mentioned "lighter fluid" or "accelerant" i would rule out alcohol. There would be two reasons to suspect an accelerant in a fire; the ferocity/quick spread of the fire and the odor. I am guessing that the reason the firefighter said this was because he could smell the petroleum based fuel. Alcohol leaves no odor like that.

 

[lonetraveler]

WREG News Channel 3 ‏@3onyourside 42s42 seconds ago
#BREAKING FBI now involved in #JessicaChambers murder investigation
http://link.wreg.com/1IUGOKp
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Good! I think that is a great idea.

 

[OneLove]

Has anybody else considered that she said 'a wreck' instead of 'Eric' or 'Derek'?

jmo

Mikkismom, those words do all sound very similar; that is a worthy consideration.

So I tried thinking this through from the perspective of it being a wreck. In the horrific shape she would have been in, I tend to think it unlikely she would go to the trouble of saying she just had a wreck. If it was a wreck, seems it would kind of be self explanatory in her mind and most everyone else, with the car up the embankment and all.

Of course, being in shock, who knows. And IF the first responder went out of the way to ask her "what happened here", then seems reasonable to say "a wreck".

I wonder if the first responder has given a complete accounting to anyone of exactly everything that was said, both by him and by JC... and if anyone else backs that up.

 

[flatfootjoe]

If you notice in the pictures of her car linked below, the gas flap is open. Maybe the perp siphoned out the gas? Either way, the autopsy should give better information as to the type of accelerant, but it also seems possible that the the perp made an effort to kindle the fire with the way the shrubs and foliage are in the car and around it.

BBM, this bothered me too. Honestly I believe two types of accelerant were used. One for Jessica, one for the car. After they doused her down they realized it just wasn't going to be enough to do the job. They siphoned gas from the vehicle. I'm pretty sure she had set up a meeting with someone, in a not so nearby city who was in on it. She was being tailed by another culprit, she was not able to continue on Herron Rd because another culprit had a vehicle blocking the road. When she got to the roadblock, the vehicle behind her closed the way completely and she drove up the embankment to avoid the collision. There may have even been more cars present on the dirt road. Why would she drive up the embankment otherwise?

This was definitely more than one person, it was definitely a hate driven crime (not race), whoever did this wanted her to suffer, maybe even to make an example of her. We're definitely talking about people with sociopathic anger. It was premeditated.

I can't understand with her cellphone being disabled, the position of her car, the method of her execution, and the amount of suffering she was forced to endure, how anyone could consider this an accident.

All JMO

 

[ZOOL]

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[southernyankee]

It could, yes. However, since the fire department and police immediately mentioned "lighter fluid" or "accelerant" i would rule out alcohol. There would be two reasons to suspect an accelerant in a fire; the ferocity/quick spread of the fire and the odor. I am guessing that the reason the firefighter said this was because he could smell the petroleum based fuel. Alcohol leaves no odor like that.

Well said. In the context of this case I don't think accelerant and alcohol would be confused by first responders + investigators.

From Wikipedia's page on "Accelerant":

"Indicators of an incendiary fire or arson can lead fire investigators to look for the presence of fuel traces in fire debris. Burning compounds and liquids can leave behind evidence of their presence and use. Fuels present in areas they aren't typically found be can indicate an incendiary fire or arson. Investigators often use special dogs erroneously known as "accelerant detection canines" trained to smell ignitable liquids. Well-trained dogs can pinpoint areas for the investigator to collect samples. Fire debris submitted to forensic laboratories employ sensitive analytical instruments with GC-MS capabilities for forensic chemical analysis."

This might be trickier since the fire was in + around a car, which could presumably smell like gasoline or fuel. But an intact gas tank + detectable ignitable liquids elsewhere (Jessica's clothing, her body, seats of her car) would be pretty suspicious.

Have not seen mention of use of trained canines at ALL yet in this investigation! Has anyone? Wouldn't that have been helpful? Could it still be helpful? Arggh! Seems like it could've helped...

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Well said. In the context of this case I don't think accelerant and alcohol would be confused by first responders + investigators.

From Wikipedia's page on "Accelerant":


"Indicators of an incendiary fire or arson can lead fire investigators to look for the presence of fuel traces in fire debris. Burning compounds and liquids can leave behind evidence of their presence and use. Fuels present in areas they aren't typically found be can indicate an incendiary fire or arson. Investigators often use special dogs erroneously known as "accelerant detection canines" trained to smell ignitable liquids. Well-trained dogs can pinpoint areas for the investigator to collect samples. Fire debris submitted to forensic laboratories employ sensitive analytical instruments with GC-MS capabilities for forensic chemical analysis."

This might be trickier since the fire was in + around a car, which could presumably smell like gasoline or fuel. But an intact gas tank + detectable ignitable liquids elsewhere (Jessica's clothing, her body, seats of her car) would be pretty suspicious.

Have not seen mention of use of trained canines at ALL yet in this investigation! Has anyone? Wouldn't that have been helpful? Could it still be helpful? Arggh! Seems like it could've helped...

I have not seen any mention of canines either. The gas tank was intact right?

 

[sherbetjello]

Have not seen mention of use of trained canines at ALL yet in this investigation! Has anyone? Wouldn't that have been helpful? Could it still be helpful? Arggh! Seems like it could've helped...

I haven't heard about them, but I honestly do not believe this city, or county, was really prepared for a case like this.
If the tow truck did tow away Jessica's vehicle like that, and clues were left out at the scene, then why assume they would bring dogs out, you know?

 

[epiphany]

Well said. In the context of this case I don't think accelerant and alcohol would be confused by first responders + investigators.

From Wikipedia's page on "Accelerant":

"Indicators of an incendiary fire or arson can lead fire investigators to look for the presence of fuel traces in fire debris. Burning compounds and liquids can leave behind evidence of their presence and use. Fuels present in areas they aren't typically found be can indicate an incendiary fire or arson. Investigators often use special dogs erroneously known as "accelerant detection canines" trained to smell ignitable liquids. Well-trained dogs can pinpoint areas for the investigator to collect samples. Fire debris submitted to forensic laboratories employ sensitive analytical instruments with GC-MS capabilities for forensic chemical analysis."

This might be trickier since the fire was in + around a car, which could presumably smell like gasoline or fuel. But an intact gas tank + detectable ignitable liquids elsewhere (Jessica's clothing, her body, seats of her car) would be pretty suspicious.

Have not seen mention of use of trained canines at ALL yet in this investigation! Has anyone? Wouldn't that have been helpful? Could it still be helpful? Arggh! Seems like it could've helped...

BBM

Later, several men from the Sheriff's Office, clad in fluorescent vests, arrived and began investigating the scene, picking items up and examining them as a canine unit assisted with the investigation.

http://www.abc57.com/story/27617497/jessica-chambers-phone-provides-leads-prosecutor-says

 

[OneLove]

Her father refers to it as a "battered women's shelter"

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jessica-chambers-teen-burned-death-mourned-funeral-n267811

And it well could be just that. However, many years ago, I started an emergency shelter for teenage girls with a grant and the grant was administered under the auspices of a social service organization. We also provided counseling for families of residents at the shelter and worked with first time offenders. Several residents had drug and/or alcohol issues, most had domestic abuse issues, 2 had been prostitutes at the tender age of 14 (small town like JC's, so their johns were, ugh, local men), and 1 resident necessitated my having 24/7 police escort everywhere as a local drug-dealing gang feared she would testify in court against them.

Jessica would have qualified to stay at our shelter. And I could see a parent describing it as a "domestic abuse" shelter for a number of reasons.

 

[southernyankee]

I haven't heard about them, but I honestly do not believe this city, or county, was really prepared for a case like this.
If the tow truck did tow away Jessica's vehicle like that, and clues were left out at the scene, then why assume they would bring dogs out, you know?

Because if a someone fled on foot (or even by way of another vehicle) from the scene, that'd be a pretty hot trail - in fact, maybe that's what police mean when they say they feel there is a "strong possibility" that someone else was in Jessica's vehicle shortly before the firefighters arrived.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

FBI joining in on the investigation.

Live report in 5 minutes.

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/category/291427/wmc-action-news-5-livestream

 

[southernyankee]

BBM

Later, several men from the Sheriff's Office, clad in fluorescent vests, arrived and began investigating the scene, picking items up and examining them as a canine unit assisted with the investigation.

http://www.abc57.com/story/27617497/jessica-chambers-phone-provides-leads-prosecutor-says

Ahh, I overlooked that. I suppose I thought maybe it'd be more telling - or maybe it is, and they've kept that mum.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

TY Do you think, given the injuries, that she actually was able to speak??? I seriously doubt it. JMO

Personally, yes...I think she did speak. And I disagree with poster rolling that JC was lit on fire outside the car. No, it was done inside while she was inside the car.

Moo

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Autopsy complete. To be confirmed by Champion.

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/category/291427/wmc-action-news-5-livestream

 

[FindHG]

Thank you, and here are the details, follow @CAlexander_WREG
FBI involved in Jessica Chambers murder investigation
By George Brown and Caitlin Alexander @ 02:52PM, DECEMBER 15, 2014
http://wreg.com/2014/12/15/fbi-involved-in-jessica-chambers-murder-investigation/

updated 11 minutes ago http://wreg.com/2014/12/15/fbi-involved-in-jessica-chambers-murder-investigation/
"The Panola County Sheriff’s Office has confirmed the FBI is now involved in the investigation of the death of Jessica Chambers."

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I also worked at our county's women's shelter for many years. We offered several different types of counseling. We had a Psychologist on staff for adults(because men are DV victims too), a child psychologist, and D n A counsellors. She would have qualified to stay at our shelter as well. Most of the women who utilized our shelter or counseling programs had multiple issues and were able to attend many different types of programs. My background is in D n A counseling and I would guess that 85% or more of our clients were referred to me for issues beyond DV.