MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #7

[roadrunnermt]

I'm giving this guy the benefit of the doubt for a minute here: I had a molar that would flare up occasionally - a ragingly bad toothache - before having a root canal in November. That kind of pain was pretty distracting.

So, there were a few times when I would dip into SouthernYankee Pharmacy (ah, my personal stash that includes leftover Rx pain meds from past surgeries) for a bit of relief. And it would leave me kinda out of it.

Bottom line: It's not implausible that you could be home with a toothache. It sounds really lame excuse, actually, but anyone who's had a bad one knows they can really suck, which is why I feel like it's true.

Married father is mentioned but no mention of being home with family or even as alibi?

 

[GeorgiaSuzy]

Law Enforcement is going back to the very beginning of this case in hopes that fresh eyes will find something they overlooked. I think we should do the same. Let's wipe the slate clean and start over. Forget about secret tattoos, secret love affairs, secret pregnancy, tree farms, gangs, vehicle staging, etc.

To me, the beginning is when LE & Fire Dept got involved: JC's car was on fire. She was severely burned but not on fire when first responders arrived. IDK if she really spoke to the Fire Chief, or if he could understand her, or if the whole "name" thing was a ploy by LE to scare a possible perp or witnesses. At that time it was a suspicious accident, and after she died it was a suspicious death. LE had to treat it as an assault or homicide and rule that out first. They've interviewed over 100 people toward that goal.

I'm very interested in following up on these 3 excellent observations:

Thread #6, pg 13, Post #311
01/05/2015 at 04:35 pm by
SeriouslySearching:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...&highlight=prove+foul+play+point#post11362759

I will say without LE finding anything or anyone which ties to this case...the possibility of it being a suicide goes up. The people in town can speculate and toss around all kinds of rumors, but if not a single rumor can be substantiated...LE is left spinning their wheels. Can they even prove foul play at this point?

And this:

Other uses of lighter fluid and other organic solvents would be huffing with some spraying the fluid into their nose and mouth as incredible as that seems.

And this:

Or for freebasing cocaine you can use anything from ether, lighter fluid, mineral spirits among other things.

Solvent Inhalant Abuse (huffing) is the first thing I thought of, especially when they said lighter fluid was squirted in her nose and throat. Some huffers spray lighter fluid directly in their nose or throat, risking SETTING THEIR AIRWAYS ON FIRE (1), and smokers are at even higher risk of explosion or fire (2).

(1) The Sydney Morning Herald
March 31, 2010. TEENS INHALING LIGHTER FLUID by Jared Lynch and Reid Sexton
"TEENAGERS are choosing a deadly way to get high - SPRAYING LIGHTER FLUID DIRECTLY INTO THEIR AIRWAYS ... risking SETTING THEIR AIRWAYS ON FIRE ... Some have even set their mouths on fire when they have inhaled and then LIT UP A CIGARETTE.'
http://m.smh.com.au/national/teens-inhaling-lighter-fluid-20100530-wni8.html

(2) CHARGES POSSIBLE AFTER HUFFING ACCIDENT - Radio New Zealand - Sept 11, 2014
Two girls aged 14 & 15 and a 17-year-old boy were inhaling aerosol transferred into a plastic bag - a practice known as huffing - in a house last night. One lit a cigarette, sparking an explosion so strong the teens were hit by a fireball which blew out windows and caused extensive damage to a room. The explosion was so severe curtains from the room were blown into a neighbouring property.

Inspector Dave Glossop said huffing butane was extremely dangerous and the three suffered a number of injuries. "Trauma from the explosion and burns," he said. "People were literally on fire and had to be put out." They had serious burns to their arms, face and legs.

The girls are in a critical condition in intensive care and the boy is in stable condition. The teenagers are unlikely to be well enough to speak to police for several days.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/254290/charges-possible-after-huffing-accident

At the time of JC's horrific death, our nation was in turmoil with cops being ambushed and innocent people being killed, beaten or set on fire, sometimes just because of their skin color. Initially many people thought JC was another victim of the recent "Climate of Hate". Many tweets expressed this belief. Did we jump the gun? The scenarios suggested in most of our threads have abandoned that possibility. Frankly I have, too, which leaves me at the beginning: was this murder, suicide or accident? Was VSA part of JC's troubled past?

I hope this tweet doesn't get me banned or hurt anyone's feelings. All opinions are strictly my own. Mucho MOO.

 

[MSCJgrad]

My opinion is that the GM in the interview with DT is 44 and looks older to me, but some lifestyles age you quickly. And it is also my opinion that we can't -nor should we -assume everything said in that interview was the truth. Or anybody's interviews really. People will say what they want to be known whether it's the truth or wishful thinking. If there was a text sent (and I believe there was) from DT's phone to JC, somebody else's fingers could have been tap tap tapping. It would be so useful to know what it said.

If some people didn't want a book written before, they're going to hate what comes out of this tragedy.

And a hearty WHOOHOO :loveyou: :loveyou: :loveyou: to Bessie for adding that obvious Delete field - I could never find it before; I assumed it was like when I stand in front of the fridge growling because I can't find what I'm directly looking at.

Delete field?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I really think you are placing the wrong emphasis on car insurance or life insurance as a motive.

I think her killer knocked her out and she was in the car. Pouring a flammable substance on someone conscious and lighting them on fire is going to result in screams. Because it was in a secluded location, she didn't get help quickly enough to save her.

JMO

Since we have no motive, no manner of death, and no suspects at this point...I don't see how it is possible to place the wrong emphasis on anything that could answer those questions and be plausible in this case.

If it is true the only thing not showing burn marks were the soles of her feet...wouldn't it require her to be standing when the fire was lit?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have gone back to the very beginning which has to include the car and the position, the area, and other factors. There are obvious clues to be obtained from the scene itself, imo.

 

[octobermoon]

I still haven't ruled out shake and bake meth. Lots of stories on google about rolling meth lab fires. The people tend to get out of the auto but don't live long. There are some security cam videos in the news out there too that show the cars totally consumed.

Suicide is still a possibility since she was at Leah's house (no MSM, so IMO JMO MOO for now).
Leah's house is for people who.... BBM

" have been incarcerated, deal with addictions, behavioral problems, self-harm, depression, and others"


http://www.rachelssister.com/


anyhoo jmo and all that jazz

 

[roadrunnermt]

I think there's too much emphasis on the going somewhere. I have a 19 - year-old daughter who has gas station clerks in similar circumstances. They are always flirting and trying very hard to carry on conversations, which creeps her out. One gave her a gift. Another always saying best customer. Many questions they ask seem too personal to a young 19yo. I see JC answer as just vague too. Perhaps she was cautious and not interested in carrying on a convo so just short plain response to AA question.

 

[MyBelle]

Since we have no motive, no manner of death, and no suspects at this point...I don't see how it is possible to place the wrong emphasis on anything that could answer those questions and be plausible in this case.

If it is true the only thing not showing burn marks were the soles of her feet...wouldn't it require her to be standing when the fire was lit?

I think both the prosecutor and the Governor have made it abundantly clear that Jessica's death is being investigated as a homicide.

No burn marks on her feet could be because she was wearing shoes with soles.

JMO

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Here are a few crime scene photos showing the tracks in the mud up the embankment.



Understandably, the original tracks were destroyed by the tow truck but, the angle in which JC's car was positioned is still evident in these pictures IMO.

In order to tow the car away, the tow truck driver would have had to line up the lift bed to the car. Chain the car, and then drag it onto the bed.

Looking at the angle of the tracks in relationship to Herron Road and the fence, it is my opinion that JC's car was traveling NE and made a sharp right turn towards the tree where it came to a stop. Contrary to that, if she simply pulled off to the side of the road "normally", she would have:

a.) pulled directly into the dirt driveway OR
b.) if she wanted to actually drive up the embankment, she would have driven in from Herron Road at much less of an angle.​

IMO, the position in which her car was found is not natural (from either direction on Herron Road).

I'm yet to see any pictures of Herron Road where any skid marks were present. No skid marks, no brakes – for the most part.

If another car was traveling SW towards JC (traveling NE), it is possible that JC swerved hard and to the right to avoid a head-on collision. Being that her car did not slam into the tree leads me to believe that she was not speeding or driving too fast. The embankment would have also stopped her car as well and possibly cause JC to gash her head.

Was this possibly an accident? An accident with a cover-up? Did someone deliberately run her off the road? Could someone else have been in the car and pulled the steering wheel to the right causing the car to drive up the embankment?

We all know the final outcome but, how and why did her car end up where it did in the first place?

 

[MyBelle]

Here are a few crime scene photos showing the tracks in the mud up the embankment.

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Understandably, the original tracks were destroyed by the tow truck but, the angle in which JC's car was positioned is still evident in these pictures IMO.

In order to tow the car away, the tow truck driver would have had to line up the lift bed to the car. Chain the car, and then drag it onto the bed.

Looking at the angle of the tracks in relationship to Herron Road and the fence, it is my opinion that JC's car was traveling NE and made a sharp right turn towards the tree where it came to a stop. Contrary to that, if she simply pulled off to the side of the road "normally", she would have:

a.) pulled directly into the dirt driveway OR
b.) if she wanted to actually drive up the embankment, she would have driven in from Herron Road at much less of an angle.​

IMO, the position in which her car was found is not natural (from either direction on Herron Road).

I'm yet to see any pictures of Herron Road where any skid marks were present. No skid marks, no brakes – for the most part.

If another car was traveling SW towards JC (traveling NE), it is possible that JC swerved hard and to the right to avoid a head-on collision. Being that her car did not slam into the tree leads me to believe that she was not speeding or driving too fast. The embankment would have also stopped her car as well and possibly cause JC to gash her head.

Was this possibly an accident? An accident with a cover-up? Did someone deliberately run her off the road? Could someone else have been in the car and pulled the steering wheel to the right causing the car to drive up the embankment?

We all know the final outcome but, how and why did her car end up where it did in the first place?

If she was traveling east, toward Courtland, the dirt driveway offered the LAST opportunity for seclusion. Once she passed it, she would be in a more-densely populated area. If she was traveling west, it offered the first opportunity at seclusion and her killer could complete the crime and quickly leave without detection.

JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I think both the prosecutor and the Governor have made it abundantly clear that Jessica's death is being investigated as a homicide.

No burn marks on her feet could be because she was wearing shoes with soles.

JMO

No one is arguing they should not investigate as a homicide and as with most missing person cases...a parallel investigation is normal SOP (Standard Operating Procedure). They have to look at everything they can find to determine it was not a hate crime (of utmost importance especially with her social circle), a homicide, arson for money, or many other possibilities. LE could very well come back to the conclusion of suicide as a MOD (Manner Of Death).

IMO, the shoes would burn and her soles would have been at least scorched. If she was standing...fire could not get started under her feet and she would continually be snuffing it out by walking or running.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Here are a few crime scene photos showing the tracks in the mud up the embankment.

View attachment 67263 View attachment 67264 View attachment 67265 View attachment 67266

Understandably, the original tracks were destroyed by the tow truck but, the angle in which JC's car was positioned is still evident in these pictures IMO.

In order to tow the car away, the tow truck driver would have had to line up the lift bed to the car. Chain the car, and then drag it onto the bed.

Looking at the angle of the tracks in relationship to Herron Road and the fence, it is my opinion that JC's car was traveling NE and made a sharp right turn towards the tree where it came to a stop. Contrary to that, if she simply pulled off to the side of the road "normally", she would have:

a.) pulled directly into the dirt driveway OR
b.) if she wanted to actually drive up the embankment, she would have driven in from Herron Road at much less of an angle.​

IMO, the position in which her car was found is not natural (from either direction on Herron Road).

I'm yet to see any pictures of Herron Road where any skid marks were present. No skid marks, no brakes – for the most part.

If another car was traveling SW towards JC (traveling NE), it is possible that JC swerved hard and to the right to avoid a head-on collision. Being that her car did not slam into the tree leads me to believe that she was not speeding or driving too fast. The embankment would have also stopped her car as well and possibly cause JC to gash her head.

Was this possibly an accident? An accident with a cover-up? Did someone deliberately run her off the road? Could someone else have been in the car and pulled the steering wheel to the right causing the car to drive up the embankment?

We all know the final outcome but, how and why did her car end up where it did in the first place?

My opinion is simplistic so I apologize .
Imo her car ended up where it did because-----
her murderer wanted the car hidden as best it could be
RIGHT THERE WHERE IT WAS FOUND.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I have gone back to the very beginning which has to include the car and the position, the area, and other factors. There are obvious clues to be obtained from the scene itself, imo.

And the clues obtained from the scene? TIA

 

[CHERIE.T]

Since we have no motive, no manner of death, and no suspects at this point...I don't see how it is possible to place the wrong emphasis on anything that could answer those questions and be plausible in this case.

If it is true the only thing not showing burn marks were the soles of her feet...wouldn't it require her to be standing when the fire was lit?

bbm

Maybe she was sitting in her car, with her feet flat on the floorboard when she was lit on fire. :thinking:

 

[southernyankee]

Based on where we are now - a month out from the incident - we're at a funky time juncture where the case is still recent, yet it appears (to many of us) that we feel like we don't know much of anything for sure. This case in not *cold*, but maybe feels like it's cooling...

This article is really excellent food for thought and I highly highly recommend it to everyone here who is so focused on this case (though I suppose it applies to so many other unsolved cases out there, too):
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140306-cold-cases-murder-csi-forensic-science/

Some choice snippets:
"Solving "cold case" homicides relies more on the emergence of new witnesses, a study suggests, than on the DNA analyses and other forensic techniques celebrated in crime dramas....What made for a cold case conviction? New witnesses helped resolve 63 percent of the cleared cases, the survey found. Often an ex-girlfriend or ex-friend of a murderer came forward years after a crime. DNA matches figured in only 3 percent of the cleared cases."

"Other factors make cold case convictions more likely. Study leader Davis suggests that gang-based crimes can in time be solved when gang members are arrested and feel motivated to testify against a rival gang. Another decisive factor in solving a cold case is the identification of a prime suspect within the first 72 hours of the investigation. Research suggests there is a sharp drop-off in cases being solved after that time."

(BBM)

I'm home for the most of the night now working on + off tonight, so I'll be popping in intermittently + keeping up with the thread.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Delete field?

Oh, dear. Maybe it was just for me, lol! I occasionally have troubles type-delete-type-delete-post-edit-post-edit again-post-wish I could delete.

So, this last time I went to edit a post, an entirely different page showed up with a section at the top before the section where you type a comment, and there were two fields in it. One said Delete and the other said Reason for Deleting (or something like that)

Gone now. If it comes up for me again, I'll make a note of what I did. :/

==================== okie dokie this time I got it again on the second try.

I chose to Edit this post
I chose Advanced - switches me to another screen

And at the top is a section titled Delete Post, grey bar below that says: Select the appropriate options and then click the Delete button.
below that is checkbox: Delete this post in the following manner:
below that is radio button Delete Message
below that is blank section for typing short reason, I think.


It is my opinion that I like this option very much.

 

[GeorgiaSuzy]

imo, the soles of shoes don't burn whether you are standing or sitting.

At this point I don't even know if the statement about her feet was true or if it was just a generalized statement meant to illustrate the horror of the extent of her burns

 

[SStarr33]

Here are a few crime scene photos showing the tracks in the mud up the embankment.

View attachment 67263 View attachment 67264 View attachment 67265 View attachment 67266

Understandably, the original tracks were destroyed by the tow truck but, the angle in which JC's car was positioned is still evident in these pictures IMO.

In order to tow the car away, the tow truck driver would have had to line up the lift bed to the car. Chain the car, and then drag it onto the bed.

Looking at the angle of the tracks in relationship to Herron Road and the fence, it is my opinion that JC's car was traveling NE and made a sharp right turn towards the tree where it came to a stop. Contrary to that, if she simply pulled off to the side of the road "normally", she would have:

a.) pulled directly into the dirt driveway OR
b.) if she wanted to actually drive up the embankment, she would have driven in from Herron Road at much less of an angle.​

IMO, the position in which her car was found is not natural (from either direction on Herron Road).

I'm yet to see any pictures of Herron Road where any skid marks were present. No skid marks, no brakes – for the most part.

If another car was traveling SW towards JC (traveling NE), it is possible that JC swerved hard and to the right to avoid a head-on collision. Being that her car did not slam into the tree leads me to believe that she was not speeding or driving too fast. The embankment would have also stopped her car as well and possibly cause JC to gash her head.

Was this possibly an accident? An accident with a cover-up? Did someone deliberately run her off the road? Could someone else have been in the car and pulled the steering wheel to the right causing the car to drive up the embankment?

We all know the final outcome but, how and why did her car end up where it did in the first place?

Somebody posted photos of her car on a site that shall not be named and showed where it looked like there were holes in her bumper. They were speculating she might have been shot at.

 

[MizStery]

I don't think the car was staged to look like an accident, but it would not exclude an intent to blow up the car. Interesting angle that it could have been about the car though. Food for thought. Punishment? Threat gone awry? Control?

Interesting that last night I did a quick Who,Why and What may have triggered the alleged altercation involving Jessica?According to media reports (REF: Timeline)'whatever the grievance' it escalated into something physical.

As I read your post I asked some questions outloud. What if someone insisted she give them a ride(but her insurance coverage would not permit her to have passengers?) or New job perhaps someone demanded some money?

Or,it could have been some female who was warning off Jessica from some perceived flirtation? Anyhow,I have been puzzling over this alleged altercation that LE have investigated.(REF:Timeline)MOO

 

[southernyankee]

At this point I don't even know if the statement about her feet was true or if it was just a generalized statement meant to illustrate the horror of the extent of her burns

Until + unless someone with some credibility (medical examiner, coroner's report, etc) says this on the record, I totally concur.

imo, the soles of shoes don't burn whether you are standing or sitting

Shoes, soles + all, will absolutely burn given enough time + exposure to oxygen. So long as someone is standing, feet on the ground, the soles of his shoes will likely burn last. But how long does someone stay standing if one is on fire?

Shoe soles will eventually burn or melt, but they will serve as a barrier before the bottoms of the feet burn.

There's a fantastic book out there (non-fiction) called Nine Minutes, Twenty Seconds about a real plane crash and the stories of the individual passengers; some survived, some did not. There is some vivid detail about the conditions of those passengers who suffered varying degrees of burns. It is hard to read some parts (seriously, I whimpered aloud at least twice) but I found it fascinating and sympathetic to those involved. Book link via Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/Nine-Minutes-Twenty-Seconds-Tragedy/dp/0609810162

Um, my point was: real life example of people's shoes, soles+all, burning right off. Totally possible. And this book has been a key source that I keep coming back to reading about burn injuries + survival condition after the fact.