MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #8

[samantha17]

Physical evidence notwithstanding... I will chime in + voice concern on possible details being leaked as a potential issue.

It appears that Fire Chief Cole Haley's statement on the record (the one in which he is videotaped by the news media that has been linked here, previously) simply summarizes what he saw + heard without giving precise details such as what Jessica was able to communicate.

But then, we have Janice Broach for WMC Action News 5 reporting that:
"Investigators say Chambers was able to talk with the first responder. B____ says the investigator mentioned to him that Chambers had said the name Derrick or Eric. "
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...ath-jessica-chambers-says-he-did-not-know-her

My point is: Neither the Fire Chief nor any LE official have gone on record, that I know of, reporting any name that Jessica said. We only know this from a source that was questioned. But if an investigator told him that sort of sensitive information in questioning - and if it is in fact true - mightn't that be an issue in terms of protecting the investigation?

Oh yes, that was very, very important info that only LE should have known.

 

[Vedder]

Nothing happened with the other physical evidence other than they haven't released it to the public. There have been baseless accusations the chain of evidence was broken by LE with the car but no proof of it has ever been posted nor has the DA admitted it. The DA was interviewed:

"Nothing that is protected by the grand jury, or that is subject to being taken to the grand jury is a public record under Mississippi law and that's why we're not releasing it," Champion explained.

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...a-chambers-murder-case-may-provide-more-clues

BBM Champion interview: http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/clip/...hn-champion?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass
Regarding the car being left at the gas station while the tow driver stopped for a drink: "In retrospect, do we wish he had not done this? Certainly"

 

[cady]

"Nothing that is protected by the grand jury, or that is subject to being taken to the grand jury is a public record under Mississippi law and that's why we're not releasing it," Champion explained.

It's true .... no evidence can be made public until the grand jury hears it and if they (the grand jury) decides to take the case to trial against a suspect then the public won't hear any evidence until that trial.

Does this case require a grand jury indictment under Mississippi law?JMO ADD Shouldn't Sha SHA have been gagged from speaking publicly, after she was questioned? JMO

 

[cady]

And Cole Haley? JMO Et Cetera.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM Champion interview: http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/clip/...hn-champion?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass
Regarding the car being left at the gas station while the tow driver stopped for a drink: "In retrospect, do we wish he had not done this? Certainly"

And he said it in the context of a photo being taken and distributed on the Internet within minutes. He went on to say the car had been processed at the crime scene.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Does this case require a grand jury indictment under Mississippi law?JMO ADD Shouldn't Sha SHA have been gagged from speaking publicly, after she was questioned? JMO

Yes and No. Sha Sha still has a right to speak.

 

[MyBelle]

Just based on actual facts of this case where do you think this investigation is going? JMO

in the direction of the death penalty.

 

[New1]

With all of this phone talk, I am wondering why the perp or perps didn't just throw the phone in the burning car?? Wouldn't that have totally destroyed it? Nothing else in the car looks like it made it through the fire.

There's really no point in destroying the phone. The phone RECORDS will still be there if the phone were destroyed, the perp/s took it with them, threw it into a river, or whatever. No matter what was done to the physical phone, LE could still retrieve the data from records from the cell phone company. JMO

 

[New1]

I've always wondered what lead them to think that she wasn't alone at Herron Road. Could it be that the person who dialed 911 saw another car there? Or someone leaving the scene on foot?

Exactly!

 

[SteveP]

Nothing happened with the other physical evidence other than they haven't released it to the public. There have been baseless accusations the chain of evidence was broken by LE with the car but no proof of it has ever been posted nor has the DA admitted it. The DA was interviewed:

"Nothing that is protected by the grand jury, or that is subject to being taken to the grand jury is a public record under Mississippi law and that's why we're not releasing it," Champion explained.

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...a-chambers-murder-case-may-provide-more-clues

BBM...considering the DA will undoubtedly be prosecuting the case, if there ever is one, he would have to be pretty stupid to admit that the chain of evidence was broken. Doesn't change the fact that very many people have strong feelings that it certainly appears to have been. I am as pro LE as anyone you are likely to ever meet. My brother was LE for 30 years, I have one uncle that was career LE in Detroit, and three cousins who are currently LE. I have always supported LEO's, but that doesn't preclude me from calling missteps when I see LE make them, and imho, very many were made early on in this case. All JMO

 

[southernyankee]

Oh yes, that was very, very important info that only LE should have known.

I seriously can't tell if you meant this sarcastically or not...? And who knows whether or not it's actually true, but it strikes me weird that anything specific Jessica would have said would be leaked in any way.

I also think it's kind of weird for investigators to lie so specifically to one individual if it wasn't the truth. Say they questioned someone else whose name isn't Eric or Derek or any variation of that sound, and they used the same reason: "oh, she said your name"? Say they questioned someone else whose name WAS in fact one of these (and they did)? Is it merely a coincidence that those two individuals were questioned early in the investigation?

It's possible, I suppose, but... There's a lot about that disclosure, fake or not, that strikes me as worrisome. They clearly didn't instruct EB to remain quiet about the details of the questioning, or if they did, he certainly didn't adhere strictly to it.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM...considering the DA will undoubtedly be prosecuting the case, if there ever is one, he would have to be pretty stupid to admit that the chain of evidence was broken. Doesn't change the fact that very many people have strong feelings that it certainly appears to have been. I am as pro LE as anyone you are likely to ever meet. My brother was LE for 30 years, I have one uncle that was career LE in Detroit, and three cousins who are currently LE. I have always supported LEO's, but that doesn't preclude me from calling missteps when I see LE make them, and imho, very many were made early on in this case. All JMO

Yes the prosecutor would be stupid to admit the chain of evidence was broken yet there have been claims he did just that in the interview that I linked up thread.

What he actually said is that the car was processed at the scene and he regretted the tow truck driver stopping to get something to drink. It provided an opportunity to photograph it and launch it on the web even before Jessica's family and friends may have been notified.

I've been a big critic of LE, CPS and even the courts in cases where there are obvious missteps. I have yet to see a misstep in this case.

JMO

 

[southernyankee]

There's really no point in destroying the phone. The phone RECORDS will still be there if the phone were destroyed, the perp/s took it with them, threw it into a river, or whatever. No matter what was done to the physical phone, LE could still retrieve the data from records from the cell phone company. JMO

Someone please correct me if they find a source that says otherwise, but not all telecom companies save some data - for example, the contents of text messages. There may be a record of a message being sent or received, but whether or not the content of that message is logged is another story and depends on the provider.

Brief article on this subject here - https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/03/text_message_re.html

 

[SeeAlice]

There were surveillance cameras all over the place at the corner store. If the car on the tow truck was tampered with during the cigarette or potty stop, LE has video of it.


JMOCS

 

[Yvettea]

I've always wondered what lead them to think that she wasn't alone at Herron Road. Could it be that the person who dialed 911 saw another car there? Or someone leaving the scene on foot?

Was thinking Chief Haley said they were expecting a car fire and were surprised to see s person there.

 

[southernyankee]

Yes the prosecutor would be stupid to admit the chain of evidence was broken yet there have been claims he did just that in the interview that I linked up thread.

What he actually said is that the car was processed at the scene and he regretted the tow truck driver stopping to get something to drink. It provided an opportunity to photograph it and launch it on the web even before Jessica's family and friends may have been notified.

I've been a big critic of LE, CPS and even the courts in cases where there are obvious missteps. I have yet to see a misstep in this case.

JMO

Just the fact that it's been such a contentious issue debated among us here leads me to believe it will certainly be brought up in a courtroom.

If all evidence was processed + secured properly, then hopefully that will be shown to be true by specifics that are not known to us, the public.

If it was NOT, then hopefully there will be enough mitigating factors or other evidence to be sufficient in achieving justice. Let's hope so!

 

[southernyankee]

There were surveillance cameras all over the place at the corner store. If the car on the tow truck was tampered with during the cigarette or potty stop, LE has video of it.


JMOCS

I sure hope so!! I just remember that there were parts in the CCTV footage we've seen, though, where Jessica walked to talk to someone who was off-camera... do we have any sources that claim or show the tow truck parked within range of the surveillance cameras?? Eeek.

 

[New1]

I've been suspicious of just about everybody in and around Courtland at one time or another during the course of my reading and thinking, but I still think whomever it was had a very personal vendetta against Jessica. It was planned but not thought through carefully. The opportunity presented itself and was taken. JMO

 

[menmo]

There's really no point in destroying the phone. The phone RECORDS will still be there if the phone were destroyed, the perp/s took it with them, threw it into a river, or whatever. No matter what was done to the physical phone, LE could still retrieve the data from records from the cell phone company. JMO

Someone please correct me if they find a source that says otherwise, but not all telecom companies save some data - for example, the contents of text messages. There may be a record of a message being sent or received, but whether or not the content of that message is logged is another story and depends on the provider.

Brief article on this subject here - https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/03/text_message_re.html

We have AT&T for phone service. We recently inquired if we could have a copy of our ingoing and outgoing text messages and this company said they do not save the text messages. However, I wonder if they are just not provided to the customers and possibly LE could get them with a warrant.

There were surveillance cameras all over the place at the corner store. If the car on the tow truck was tampered with during the cigarette or potty stop, LE has video of it.


JMOCS

Right, if that part of the tape doesn't come up missing.

JMO

 

[MSCJgrad]

Regardless of the fact that it would be physically impossible to fully process a car-let alone a car that had been fully engulfed in flames, such as JC's- in the time frame that the car remained at the scene (see media thread timeline), it was also noted by Fox News reporter Tom Dees on his Twitter account, on December 30, that he had personally witnessed the car being processed by the MBI the previous Monday, which was 2 days after the fact. There is video/pictures as well, on previous threads, as well as on the media thread, if I'm not mistaken.

And he said it in the context of a photo being taken and distributed on the Internet within minutes. He went on to say the car had been processed at the crime scene.

JMO