MSM coverage of Baby Lisa, 11/11/11

[cluciano63]

Why bother? If LE is looking for information to find the baby, they SHOULD bother. If they won't bother then it's pretty obvious that the intention is to try and get the parents to confess. And, that's been the point all along. Why would the parents go do that - guilty or innocent?

If the questions are really about finding the baby, then LE should be willing to ask them anywhere and by any means necessary - even by asking the lawyers to go between.

And if the parents are all about finding the baby, they should be willing to meet with LE, with their lawyer, one at a time. JMO

 

[tehcloser]

I don't think LE has "slapped" anyone................

 

[Sparklin]

Thanks Kamille. I think I remember that. Things that happened 3 or 4 weeks ago in this case seem like 3 or 4 months ago, imo.

I still don't think anyone on the parents' team ever proactively mentioned anything about Megan or a female recipient of a call from a stolen phone in MSM before today though (except Stanton saying he hadn't spoken with her when Judge Jeanine asked him the day after Megan came out in media). Short never mentioned any recipient of an alleged phone call from Debbi's phone publicly. Til today, Megan and the media were the only ones talking about whose number was called. Not LE, not anyone on the parents' team. Don't know if there was some strategic reason for Picerno to do it today or if he was just responding to all the media surrounding the phone calls over the last couple of weeks. Interesting to me...

http://www.myspace.com/video/565006329/lisa-irwin-bill-stanton-take-on-cellphones-11-11-11/108334627

Just a thought on this whole interview (yikes...this is msm but phone related...what to do, what to do??) ........................ok, so:

Listening to this interview with MSM again, it seems like BS has seen J/B's phone records/bills, but not seen MW's # appearing on DB's phone record/bill. He says 'there's a reason it may not be on there..' He also said he has MW's # and 'his SOURCES have gone over phone records for a year....' (paraphrasing)

This tells me a) the lawyers did see a report from FBI with the info they stated b) BS has not seen that report c) BS has 'sources' whether they be investigators he has hired or that work for the lawyers.

I think that they have a whole lot of info that they aren't sharing either, just like LE.

 

[Sparklin]

Did anyone see this? I haven't seen it come up, but I have been mostly skimming posts today:

"Police have questioned John "Jersey" Tanko, a handyman who worked in the area, and James Brando, who lived next door to baby Lisa and moved out just hours before her parents reported her missing.

Kansas City Police said they have "moved on" from both men, but KCPD spokesman Capt. Steve Young said Friday that no one has been cleared in case new information arises that warrants a review. Tanko is in jail on separate charges."

So, "moved on" definitely does not mean "cleared", according to LE.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16017789...hday-and-still-few-clues?clienttype=printable

Yep...sounds to me like they are still 'suspects'

 

[Karmaa]

I don't think LE has "slapped" anyone................

They didn't take off their gloves either. That is just a saying.

 

[tehcloser]

They didn't take off their gloves either. That is just a saying.

Yes............I know that........I'm just sayin' LE is NOT the bad guy that some would like to believe. lol, you really thought I thought LE slapped someone? :floorlaugh:

 

[Jaxson]

Welllllll Bs says he is an investigator. Methinks it is more of an instigator. I can't for the life me figure out who's team he is on.

Well he said he's on Lisa's team, not the parents, or LE.

 

[yllek]

I was so hoping that today's MSM top story would be "Lisa Irwin found on her 1st birthday!"

Not to be mushy, but it's a tribute to Lisa that there are so many here hammering away at their keyboards day after day (for close to 5 weeks straight) with the united goal of finding out what happened to little Lisa. I don't fault PIs, reporters, and lawyers from both sides for likely using this board as a source - incredible fountain of brain and heart power in one place.

May tomorrow be the day that sweet Lisa is found...

Good night all.

fftobed:

 

[Kamille]

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Really? Many of us have spoken about the antagonistic tone that LE took against B/I team when they started the garbage that the family HAD STOPPED COOPERATING. The family immediately rebutted that, and ever since it has been a circus. But LE has had to say, over and over, that the family IS answering questions, while still trying to maintain that they are not cooperating.

I am offended by that, and I am not related to the family - and I don't know if they are guilty or innocent. But I think that LE took off the gloves and slapped that family's face with them early on.

We had a case up here in Canada where the mother of a missing child was set up by our equivilent of the FBI in a sting. She was contacted by a bogus "benefactor" that was going to give a sustantial donation to her daughter's reward fund. She went first class in a limo to meet with this person in a hotel all the while being bugged in the car, in the hotel etc. Might seem like a pretty cruel thing to do to a distraught mother but sometimes it just has to be done. She also had timeline issues and failed a lie detector. To just leave her alone after she said she was innocent would have been pretty remiss of LE.

Turned out she was innocent but she continued to speak with LE every day, even after finding out about the sting, in the quest to find out what happened to her child. LE don't always play nice. But if you're innocent and keep maintaining it throughout the investigation, they will not have anything to charge you with IMO. And they can clear you and move on.

 

[Jaxson]

The phones didn't go out of service until some time in the afternoon of Oct.3rd, so he might not have known until he tried calling.

I keep reading this but would love a link, pretty please?

 

[Kamille]

I keep reading this but would love a link, pretty please?

Check the cell phone thread. There is a post to a transcript of an interview today where JP says this.

HTH

 

[Sparklin]

Yes............I know that........I'm just sayin' LE is NOT the bad guy that some would like to believe. lol, you really thought I thought LE slapped someone? :floorlaugh:

I agree they aren't the bad guys and I'm willing to bet they want to find Baby Lisa a whole lot. But I also have to wonder if they are at such a standstill that they are stuck on the parents? Are they still insisting that the same officers that treated them like garbage originally do the interviews? Why do they want them separated? If they are willing to go in together, why not ask the tough questions in front of the other? That might yield even better results. I absolutely, 100% agree that D/J SHOULD be talking to LE, but I'm sure that after what they have already been put through, if LE is insisting they do it apart, that it will just be more of the same. Steve Young himself has said that they are cooperating, they get calls with questions and answer them, so why not ask THOSE questions any way they can get an answer?

 

[Jaxson]

Check the cell phone thread. There is a post to a transcript of an interview today where JP says this.

HTH

I am not sure I regard what the attorneys say as fact yet.

 

[Karmaa]

Yes............I know that........I'm just sayin' LE is NOT the bad guy that some would like to believe. lol, you really thought I thought LE slapped someone? :floorlaugh:

I have yet to hear anyone say that LE is the bad guy. But LE has a job to do, and that is to find who has committed a crime. One of the techniques that they use is to interrogate people that they are suspicious of, and those interrogations are not pleasant.

This family sat through long sessions of interrogation and did not "crack" and then said "no more". Why didn't they crack? Either because they are darned good liars (which, if you understand the Reid Technique of interrogation, is rather unlikely), or they are innocent. In either case, they have a valid reason to not want to go sit in the interrogation room again.

In the meantime they have been answering questions - but LE has not only allowed the public to believe otherwise, but they have actually encouraged it - until they are asked point blank, and they have no choice but to admit that the parents are, in fact, cooperating.

That doesn't make LE bad, it just is two different sides of the same situation. Some people can see and understand both sides without saying one is right and the other is wrong, and some people can't. I am one of the ones who can see both sides.

 

[Just K]

I keep reading this but would love a link, pretty please?

I believe it is in the video from MK's interview with either JP or the BS video from earlier today. Someone said it in passing... when discussing JI calling and yes, they actually said, he LEFT a message in the voicemail.

 

[yllek]

Yep...sounds to me like they are still 'suspects'

Hey Sparklin, I was gonna log off for the night and you realed me back in again! I'm taking the bait...illowfight2:

It was good that Graves clarified last week that LE is not publicly clearing anyone and "moving on" doesn't mean cleared or never to be looked at again. At least now we have a standard definition to go by no matter which LE representative is making a statement.

But, there are still no publicly named suspects either. So, just because someone who has been questioned is not publicly cleared, doesn't mean that they are still, or ever were, viable suspects. This is true for Jersey, Megan, Shane, Dane, Mr. Brando, Debbi and Jeremy...

Now, I'm really calling it a night (before I get in trouble for going off topic in the MSM thread).

 

[Sparklin]

I keep reading this but would love a link, pretty please?

Here you go

http://www.myspace.com/video/565006329/lisa-irwin-bill-stanton-take-on-cellphones-11-11-11/108334627

 

[Jaxson]

I agree they aren't the bad guys and I'm willing to bet they want to find Baby Lisa a whole lot. But I also have to wonder if they are at such a standstill that they are stuck on the parents? Are they still insisting that the same officers that treated them like garbage originally do the interviews? Why do they want them separated? If they are willing to go in together, why not ask the tough questions in front of the other? That might yield even better results. I absolutely, 100% agree that D/J SHOULD be talking to LE, but I'm sure that after what they have already been put through, if LE is insisting they do it apart, that it will just be more of the same. Steve Young himself has said that they are cooperating, they get calls with questions and answer them, so why not ask THOSE questions any way they can get an answer?

After going back through the timeline notes today and reading some of the first articles up to where LE says they stopped cooperating, I found the majority of the time they spent being interviewed was separately. There is even an article where Deb goes to be interviewed alone. So JI wasn't even downtown at that time. I can't think why they would need to interview separately at this point as DB/JI have had plenty of time to get their story straight if they are lying. Unless LE wants to intimidate them some more it seems pointless.

 

[Sparklin]

We had a case up here in Canada where the mother of a missing child was set up by our equivilent of the FBI in a sting. She was contacted by a bogus "benefactor" that was going to give a sustantial donation to her daughter's reward fund. She went first class in a limo to meet with this person in a hotel all the while being bugged in the car, in the hotel etc. Might seem like a pretty cruel thing to do to a distraught mother but sometimes it just has to be done. She also had timeline issues and failed a lie detector. To just leave her alone after she said she was innocent would have been pretty remiss of LE.

Turned out she was innocent but she continued to speak with LE every day, even after finding out about the sting, in the quest to find out what happened to her child. LE don't always play nice. But if you're innocent and keep maintaining it throughout the investigation, they will not have anything to charge you with IMO. And they can clear you and move on.

But that mother was in front of media every single day at noon. She never shed a tear, she wore makeup, her hair was dyed, her clothes were nice. People thought she was guilty for that alone. Her computer and cell phone were taken, the son was interviewed where his mother and step dad were thrown in a lot. LE said almost the same words to Tara re: bad mother...you know where she is, etc... but she did NOT have to deal with them after that. She had a police liaison that dealt with police. Although the police did stand and watch her after noon presser every day.
People attacked her for too much media and not enough tears. They are now accusing Deb of too little media and too many fake tears. I'm so discouraged by all of this

 

[Just K]

The only people talking is the Defense Team for DB & JI and witnesses/people who have endured multiple sit downs with LE (MT, MW, SB #2, JB.) LE has made all of about a half dozen repetitious statements that for weeks have included the caveat, "yes, they are answering questions about tips..." but LE has reiterated, in more ways than one could state, that they have more questions LE needs answered.

(If you exclude all the other people who have been interrogated) We have only really heard one side: THE B/I side.