Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #25

[raisincharlie]

But didn't LE go directly into the house when he arrived back at the house?? I am sure that is what the probable cause affidavit said, although I could have remembered this wrong.

Now, if he did return to the house during those two hours, then it is possible that it was placed back at the house at that point. I don't think that he mentions a return trip to the house in his affidavit. He made it sound as though he was out looking for NC the whole time . . . .

Do you think the first thing LE would have looked for would have been Nancy's cell ? Do you think it is not possible for him to have set it down and then started talking with LE about Nancy and where she might be, when she left, etc? These seem to be more urgent questions than anything about her cell phone in my mind anyhow.

 

[momto3kids]

But didn't LE go directly into the house when he arrived back at the house?? I am sure that is what the probable cause affidavit said, although I could have remembered this wrong.

Now, if he did return to the house during those two hours, then it is possible that it was placed back at the house at that point. I don't think that he mentions a return trip to the house in his affidavit. He made it sound as though he was out looking for NC the whole time . . . .

Easy to slip it on the table at the door when he unlocks it. Or if he went in thru the garage, place it on the table before he unlocks the door for LE. This is if he didn't return to the house during his 2+ hour tour of Cary! Easy IMO

 

[SleuthyGal]

Do you think the first thing LE would have looked for would have been Nancy's cell ? Do you think it is not possible for him to have set it down and then started talking with LE about Nancy and where she might be, when she left, etc? These seem to be more urgent questions than anything about her cell phone in my mind anyhow.

Her cell phone and keys were on the table in the front hall? Am I remembering this correctly?

<edited to add from the CPD affidavit for probable cause>: The keys were 'near the front door on a piece of furniture,' and the cell phone was observed in the residence by Office Hayes (doesn't specify where the cell phone was).

 

[Anderson]

It's all in the details. An innocent person doesn't need to worry.

Exactly, so why are we just hearing from MH now? Brad had several friends write affidavits, and it seems that MH's would have been particularly relevant, given the tennis plans.

 

[raisincharlie]

Exactly, so why are we just hearing from MH now. He had several friends write affidavits, and it seems that MH's would have been particularly relevant, given the tennis plans.

Anderson - if you read the originals and then immediately read the amended ones - it is pretty easy to see the amendments have one goal, to paint Brad as a victim of the bad bad LE and Nancy's friends.

 

[Anderson]

Do you think the first thing LE would have looked for would have been Nancy's cell ? Do you think it is not possible for him to have set it down and then started talking with LE about Nancy and where she might be, when she left, etc? These seem to be more urgent questions than anything about her cell phone in my mind anyhow.

Of course. I see, and I suppose that would explain where these items were situated.

 

[raisincharlie]

Her cell phone and keys were on the table in the front hall? Am I remembering this correctly? If yes, upon walking in the front door you would be facing/looking at that front console table--the table where the keys & cell phone were found. Not sure if Brad could have done a slight-of-hand in such a situation.

I don't recall the sw affidavit saying where exactly the cell phone was, only that Brad identified it as Nancy's. The key to the X5 was described as being on a table by the front door. So it is not clear to me if the cell was at the same location or not. I'll read it again and get back.

ETA - the sw affidavit only states that Officer Hayes also observed a cell phone in the residence belonging to Nancy Cooper - no location given.

 

[momto3kids]

This 2+ hour tour of Cary BC did, he could have been looking for MH or whoever had the phone to get it back. This is possible where his time was spent.

I don't know who had NC phone, but obviously BC or someone did on Saturday.

 

[Anderson]

Anderson - if you read the originals and then immediately read the amended ones - it is pretty easy to see the amendments have one goal, to paint Brad as a victim of the bad bad LE and Nancy's friends.

I agree with that completely. MH didn't weigh in for quite a while, and I wonder why not.

ps

We need some hinky meter symbols!

 

[jumpstreet]

JS..I have actually passed this info on to someone reliable just recently that can get word to the LE. I am following up with this person this week to see if they did it or not. I guess I felt the LE had already checked it out so put it on the back burner so to say since I heard about it.

This is why I am saying with the word 'calls' it could include LTF also.

Thanks MT3 - it's good info.

If the information is true, then surely... surely... surely, the person at the reception desk who BC spoke to (and told that his wife was in the car, but on her way in...)... surely, that person would have seen the news about the search, seen the requests for help, etc... and mentioned this incredibly pertinent information to LE by now.

If not, then yeah, I would suggest they be encouraged to mention it.

 

[jumpstreet]

Anderson - if you read the originals and then immediately read the amended ones - it is pretty easy to see the amendments have one goal, to paint Brad as a victim of the bad bad LE and Nancy's friends.

But all of NC's friends affidavits (even the original ones) have one goal - to paint Brad as the bad bad Brad. So it's a "push".

 

[raisincharlie]

I agree with that completely. MH didn't weigh in for quite a while, and I wonder why not.

ps

We need some hinky meter symbols!

You would think that WS would indeed have an emoticon of a hinky meter for sure :crazy: ROFL

 

[momto3kids]

Why did MH not mention tennis plans before now?
Why did he say they see the Cooper's each other socially every week or two? Now he says 3 times in 1 weekend?
He has certainly embellished it now since he appears PO'd because he is being questioned IMO.

 

[raisincharlie]

But all of NC's friends affidavits (even the original ones) have one goal - to paint Brad as the bad bad Brad. So it's a "push".

It's one thing to have your murdered spouse's friends paint you badly - but quite a different animal to have LE paint you badly. WTH does Hiller's three conversations with LE have to do with respect to the custody of the kids may I ask ? Because LE did this, has what exactly to do with Brad being a good father or even sane ?

There's a huge difference here Jump - not a push.

 

[Anderson]

I don't recall the sw affidavit saying where exactly the cell phone was, only that Brad identified it as Nancy's. The key to the X5 was described as being on a table by the front door. So it is not clear to me if the cell was at the same location or not. I'll read it again and get back.

You are correct, the document just mentions that the cell phone was observed by Ofc Hays (I just checked).

However, it was sitting out in the open where it could be observed rather than somewhere hidden away. In that respect the document does give us a vague idea where the phone was. I thought at the time that I first read the document that BC had been taken by surprise and perhaps would have wanted it tucked away, so that he could claim that he had it with her. That's why I have a mental image of where the cell was located.

 

[jumpstreet]

Seems reasonable enough to conclude, based on MH's affidavit, that there's record of at least one phone call that, as of 4 weeks ago, had LE stymied, or at least looking for an explanation. Who knows - solving that puzzle piece may be all that remains for an arrest. [ LE/DA doesn't want that phone record to translate to reasonable doubt in the mind of a juror, no matter how many explanations are offered from "experts" as to how it could have been 'crafted', especially if they don't believe it was 'crafted' ].

Seems they're looking hard for an explanation of the phone call. Any chance this thread also ties the federal involvement? Or - hard to say?

 

[SleuthyGal]

 

[Anderson]

It's one thing to have your murdered spouse's friends paint you badly - but quite a different animal to have LE paint you badly. WTH does Hiller's three conversations with LE have to do with respect to the custody of the kids may I ask ? Because LE did this, has what exactly to do with Brad being a good father or even sane ?

That's right . . . absolutely nothing to do with the custody case.

 

[Anderson]

Excellent!:clap:

 

[jumpstreet]

Because LE did this, has what exactly to do with Brad being a good father or even sane ?

Yeah, that's a good point too... in theory, the HM affidavit (or much of it) isn't overly relevent to the custody. I assume BC's lawyers are just trying to "fight the PR battle" as best they can - that seems to be their stated strategy.

But yeah, fair enough - maybe not a complete "push". Still, as SG suggests - the "safest" course is to totally discount the opinions offered by both sides (as best we can, but I suspect it's too late for that), and only look at the facts.