Nancy Grace 11/13/08

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  • #961
Alot of us are basing hunches and some very good guesses on KC's pings...but what IF there was another that helped her dispose of the body?

I would give a weeks worth of brownies to LE if they would let us know if they checked out more than KC's "pings."

They will in time. I guess we just have to wait.
In the meantime, I haven't forgotten that Baez, very early on, asked for immunity for Casey.
Why? What did she have to say that made Baez think LE would entertain the idea of immunity for Casey? Baez quickly retracted that request and denied even making it.
 
  • #962
Alot of us are basing hunches and some very good guesses on KC's pings...but what IF there was another that helped her dispose of the body?

I would give a weeks worth of brownies to LE if they would let us know if they checked out more than KC's "pings."

I would give that much to David if he would let us know what he knows.

David, I'll keep my eyes on Faux Fox, but they've done some strange things lately. They said Casey's ex-fiance Rev Grund Officiated at the prayer vigil. Then, IIRC, they said LP skiddadled to Cali. tonight. I'm hearing it was his female BH that went home to Cali., and LP is still there and searching tomorrow. I could be wrong, but I think they reported that LP was upstairs being interviewed at OCSO while I was watching him at BP on live stream. Maybe it was another station. What do I know?
 
  • #963
I don't post much, but like some others on the board I feel like I want to interject my two cents here. I am local, just about 8 miles outside of Orlando. I found your board because of a link that was posted on a blog in the Orlando Sentinal online site, came on over and was fascinated about all of this. We've been hearing about this case since very minute one and, as it grew and the whole nation got involved little Caylee became especially special to all of us. We see George and Cindy every weekend when we do our grocery shopping, my father-in-law's truck was towed to the same lot as Casey's when my nephew got in trouble with it, and my husband works for Orange County Parks and Recreation and Blanchard Park is part of his workday. I was never a "sleuther" and had never really felt compelled to get involved in anything in such depth.

Why in the world is she telling me all of this you may ask? Well, I also never knew of Tim Miller and his crew prior to this (although I did briefly hear about his efforts in the Natalie Holloway case), and I never heard of Leonard Padilla prior to this case. That being said, I have no real emotion ties to either of these gentleman, never was a big fan either way, not really "emotionally" involved with either one. Here are my observations:

1. Leonard Padilla has never one time mentioned the cost of anything he has ever done in behalf of Caylee. Yes, we know what the bond was because that was public knowledge, but I have never heard him once express how much anything is "costing him". As a matter of fact, every time I ever heard Leonard talk about money it was referenced to "donate it to Tim".

2. On the other hand, however, it seems as though every time Tim Miller was interviewed, somehow or another, he let everyone know how much this was costing him. As a matter of fact, when he was interviewed on the local stations this last time, that was pretty much all he talked about was his funding and how much this was costing him. And trust me, locally this has been covered morning, noon and night on every channel at every news time for a long time now. Well, you haul all of your enormous arsenal of equipment into town, search for a short period of time, leave, go somewhere else, come back, leave again. It seems to me that would be an enormous burden on your expenses.

3. The night that the meeting was held prior to the last search it was naturally covered locally and there were a lot of surprised locals to see the pomp and circumstance surrounding that meeting. From the news coverage (granted, I was not there) that nightclub looked decked out to Tim's organization. The local reporter was there talking to some of the volunteers as they came out the door and there were more than one person saying that "it was not what they had expected".

4. Cindy did an interview this afternoon with all of the reporters locally and she was talking about "speaking with Tim Miller last night" and that Tim told her personally that someone had planted "cow bones or something" at the last search, perhaps insinuating this is what could happen if Leonard found anything.

I have watched the whole tone and demeanor of Tim Miller change here in the last week. There were many, many people that were shocked when he pulled up stakes and left town this last time. First he was on television talking about "the conditions couldn't get any better" and "if she's there we're going to find her" and then almost overnight he changed to "I don't think she will ever be found". It was awfully strange.

Leonard, on the other hand, may have been duped in the beginning, but right after he realized who and what he was dealing with, he has never wavered, not once, from his theory and his goal of bringing that baby home. Oh, he might be a bit brasher than we may all like, but he has NEVER ONCE wavered, never asked for money and never left !!

Trust me, my heart goes out to Tim Miller and his tragic experience with his daughter. I lost a child to tragic circumstances myself, a shy, young 16-year-old who was invited out of town with her girlfriend and her family for a long weekend. Didn't want to go, but I encouraged her that it would be fun and fine and sent her on her way. She died in a car accident - talk about feeling responsible. So, emotionally I take nothing from this dear man whatsoever.

I personally think that Leonard Padilla, as brash and cowboy as he is, has behaved like a true gentleman and really wants to bring this baby home. He has nothing to gain by any of this. Tim, on the other hand, has been made to be the hero by a lot of people. There is fanfare when he arrives, disappointment when he leaves and even more fanfare when he returns. His behavior and name calling and demeaning the efforts of others speaks volumes - who really has something to gain or lose by not bringing this baby home? Does he do good for others - he certainly does - but isn't the goal of everyone involved to bring the baby home?

I'm sorry for the long post, I will go back to being just a reader now and leave the sleuthing to the experts !! I just thought I could bring some perspective from an almost "neutral" audience.

:clap::clap::clap: Very thoughtful. I couldn't agree more.
BTW, don't just lurk. Obviously your post contributed greatly to this thread. Come back soon.
 
  • #964
They will in time. I guess we just have to wait.
In the meantime, I haven't forgotten that Baez, very early on, asked for immunity for Casey.
Why? What did she have to say that made Baez think LE would entertain the idea of immunity for Casey? Baez quickly retracted that request and denied even making it.

Yep....and then we all saw the emails in one of the "doc dumps".:rolleyes:
 
  • #965
They will in time. I guess we just have to wait.
In the meantime, I haven't forgotten that Baez, very early on, asked for immunity for Casey.
Why? What did she have to say that made Baez think LE would entertain the idea of immunity for Casey? Baez quickly retracted that request and denied even making it.

Theres that patience thing again :)...drat.... :blowkiss:

Its going to be a long winter!
 
  • #966
Theres that patience thing again :)...drat.... :blowkiss:

Its going to be a long winter!

Maybe, just maybe, CA will enlighten us tomorrow on NG. Or, if we watch Fox35 Orlando closely we'll find out sooner.

I think not. Patience is a virtue. All this other stuff is driving me nuts and it's my own fault. :crazy:
 
  • #967
2 divers and 1 reporter said it looked like bones. Someone else said some of the artifacts are about 2" long. I read where someone said it looked like chicken bones. LE took them allegedly as "found property". Who announced that they were rocks?

LP is fixated on this park for a reason and unlike TM, has actually been in the same room with KC. So LP has a hunch and hunches do not come from nowhere. A lot of ping info turned up nothing, so what is wrong with the hunch of an experienced bounty hunter?

LP knows people, he hunts them down for a living. TM works with technology and mathmatics. It seems there should be mutual respect, they are both investigators. LP brings home living beings who are trying to hide. TM brings home the human remains that someone else tried to hide. Two different approaches.

The sonar used by TES can not see into silt. These great divers today volunteered their time and energy to do a dark water search in alligator infested water, using only their sense of touch to scour the bottom of a slow moving river. They found something that at least 3 people think are bones and they called in LE. They are heros and they are forgotten in all this.

LP did not respond to the remarks, he does not need to, he has already said he is taking the polygraph.

He is the Josy Mansour of this case and Josy is still on Joran's 1 yard line while everyone else has moved on.

Media was going to be at that search whether LP called them or not and I believe you all when you say that Murt showed media there at 7:30 am today. Nuff said on that. Just because they were there where LE arrived an hour after the call, doesn't mean LP called them first.

CA and TM are accusing LP of stealing items from the A house and planting fake evidence? Didn't CA (or maybe Lee) once accuse TM of stealing $300.00 from the KFN jar and of being a drunk? Call me silly, but I see a link; the A's are accusing both searchers of criminal conduct.

Didn't an ex-FBI guy say "If LP tells you something, you can take it to the bank." (I haven't heard ex-FBI say that about TM). So this tells me that LP has been reliable in the past. Plus, LP said, "sure, I'll take the test, set it up" when asked by LE if he would undergo an FBI polygraph.

TM has a much bigger burden to carry than LP, he has people waiting for some help and has already committed his team to help them. For missing people, time is of the essence, so he has to make tough decisions on when and where to search. It must be frustrating to know that KC has the answer, but the sociopath isn't talking so all of this money, manpower and energy is being exerted and could better be used for people who are really lost and he says things like "Damn you KC!".

TM said he is not going home until Caylee is found. He has 100 volunteer TES searchers who will continue to search the areas of interest. Try to support these volunteers. This is where ice, soda pops, water and food will really help and they will be searching every weekend. You know, we could make a difference for them in their efforts.

Support the ground troops where the egos are in check.
 
  • #968
2 divers and 1 reporter said it looked like bones. Someone else said some of the artifacts are about 2" long. I read where someone said it looked like chicken bones. LE took them allegedly as "found property". Who announced that they were rocks?

LP is fixated on this park for a reason and unlike TM, has actually been in the same room with KC. So LP has a hunch and hunches do not come from nowhere. A lot of ping info turned up nothing, so what is wrong with the hunch of an experienced bounty hunter?

LP knows people, he hunts them down for a living. TM works with technology and mathmatics. It seems there should be mutual respect, they are both investigators. LP brings home living beings who are trying to hide. TM brings home the human remains that someone else tried to hide. Two different approaches.

The sonar used by TES can not see into silt. These great divers today volunteered their time and energy to do a dark water search in alligator infested water, using only their sense of touch to scour the bottom of a slow moving river. They found something that at least 3 people think are bones and they called in LE. They are heros and they are forgotten in all this.

LP did not respond to the remarks, he does not need to, he has already said he is taking the polygraph.

He is the Josy Mansour of this case and Josy is still on Joran's 1 yard line while everyone else has moved on.

Media was going to be at that search whether LP called them or not and I believe you all when you say that Murt showed media there at 7:30 am today. Nuff said on that. Just because they were there where LE arrived an hour after the call, doesn't mean LP called them first.

CA and TM are accusing LP of stealing items from the A house and planting fake evidence? Didn't CA (or maybe Lee) once accuse TM of stealing $300.00 from the KFN jar and of being a drunk? Call me silly, but I see a link; the A's are accusing both searchers of criminal conduct.

Didn't an ex-FBI guy say "If LP tells you something, you can take it to the bank." (I haven't heard ex-FBI say that about TM). So this tells me that LP has been reliable in the past. Plus, LP said, "sure, I'll take the test, set it up" when asked by LE if he would undergo an FBI polygraph.

TM has a much bigger burden to carry than LP, he has people waiting for some help and has already committed his team to help them. For missing people, time is of the essence, so he has to make tough decisions on when and where to search. It must be frustrating to know that KC has the answer, but the sociopath isn't talking so all of this money, manpower and energy is being exerted and could better be used for people who are really lost and he says things like "Damn you KC!".

TM said he is not going home until Caylee is found. He has 100 volunteer TES searchers who will continue to search the areas of interest. Try to support these volunteers. This is where ice, soda pops, water and food will really help and they will be searching every weekend. You know, we could make a difference for them in their efforts.

Support the ground troops where the egos are in check.

Enjoyed reading this balanced post.

Would like to add to bolded portion - don't discount Rob & FBG's insights or theories either. Outside of the family and Baez, they were with KC more than anyone else since her arrest. Something must be driving their ongoing participation, as well.
 
  • #969
LP knows people, he hunts them down for a living. TM works with technology and mathmatics. It seems there should be mutual respect, they are both investigators. LP brings home living beings who are trying to hide. TM brings home the human remains that someone else tried to hide. Two different approaches.

Yes, two different approaches with the same goal. Works for me.

BTW, Florida Mom, I believe your perspective has a lot of merit. Glad to have you here.
 
  • #970
I'm not getting this. In the grand scheme of things, TM's organization has spent over 100K on the 2 searches since late summer. $12,500 is a nice donation but that gets lost pretty quick in a 100K tally. The foundation that donated the money did it in good faith knowing the expenses that had already rung up Equusearch's bill, so what's to question? That's peanuts in comparison. TM is running in the red as of now. He doesn't have a stockpile of money. If anyone wants to know what the money is spent on, his books are open and anyone can see them at anytime since they are a 501 (c)3 organization. It's amazing to me the distrust after all this man has done for so many people. There are hundreds of missing persons, not just Caylee. He works WITH the families, not against them. Think about it.
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
Everyone here should do some research on Tim vs Leonard!
Tim is VERY well known... not just from this case but from MANY
on WS!
Leonard... let's see... he is a reality tv star that has just become popular
since this case!
Funny ....are we all to believe that Leonard is the hero and Tim is the villain?
Come off it!
LE wants Leonard to take a lie detector test does that not tell you SOMETHING about him?:bang:
Before you all go and bash Tim DO SOME RESEARCH!
He is an outstanding man and has done a lot for the missing!
Leonard is a bounty hunter turned media 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬!
LOL.. it’s funny to read here!
LE are stupid now because they won’t take the toys as evidence
and Tim is a jerk because he isn’t falling for Leonard’s crap
but good old Leonard is the HERO!
:banghead:
 
  • #971
Take what I say how you like, but know that I have always attempted to provide you with the facts.

Not everything is as it seems.

I see things that occur on the scene and then I watch something totally different being released. The sad thing is that many of the people doing that have the same knowledge but do nothing with it because of their own personal agenda. I cannot discuss certain aspects of this case; however I can tell you that there are people out there that are purposely spinning things and using this child's disappearance to their own benefit.

There are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that you do not know. Please do not make rush judgments in this case.

Things will come out in due time. In the mean time, please remember that this is about Caylee and nothing else.


I know we get media sound bites all the time. We get tiny snippets. I hope when this is over (when will that be?), you'll come back and share all you know with us. As of now, our brains are spinning.

Thanks, DL.
 
  • #972
TM did a search in the case of missing Stacy Peterson, wife of Drew Peterson. Bodies of water were searched, but I don't believe side sonar was used. They sent divers into ponds.


My understanding of the TES search for Stacy Peterson is that TM and TES left that search early and in a huff, also, over some sort of conflict between TM and some locals who had other ideas of where to search. Don't ask for a link, it's been awhile since I read it. Just wondering if this is something that TM does more often than we knew of.:waitasec:
 
  • #973
No, it has nothing to do with Caylee being alive or dead.

As an aside, I met Cindy earlier this week. I cannot speak for George, as I have yet to meet him; however I can tell you that in my opinion Cindy does not have a clue where Caylee is. She wants to believe Caylee is alive and she is holding onto every shred of hope that she is. While I do not agree with the way everything has been handled, I do not believe Cindy knows what happened to Caylee. She is looking for a living Caylee and others are looking for a dead Caylee. It should not matter who is doing what, as long as we are all looking.

Thank you for the information and I enjoy reading your blog.

*As an aside...ya didn't drink any koolaid with Cindy did ya? Just kidding.:)
 
  • #974
No, it has nothing to do with Caylee being alive or dead.

As an aside, I met Cindy earlier this week. I cannot speak for George, as I have yet to meet him; however I can tell you that in my opinion Cindy does not have a clue where Caylee is. She wants to believe Caylee is alive and she is holding onto every shred of hope that she is. While I do not agree with the way everything has been handled, I do not believe Cindy knows what happened to Caylee. She is looking for a living Caylee and others are looking for a dead Caylee. It should not matter who is doing what, as long as we are all looking.


It's been quite obvious all along (except in her "dead body in the damn car" 911 call) Cindy has no clue where Caylee is. She's going on hope Caylee is alive and Casey isn't really a killer. Problem is, she's lied over and over, she's tried to incriminate innocent people, whenever anyone tries to help search she suddenly has another Caylee spotting to distract from the ongoing search.

I understand she wants her granddaughter to be found alive. I understand she wants her daughter to be a model mother. What I don't understand is why she goes out of her way to obstruct justice. It's against the law to do so.

Thanks for your comments and insight, DL. We appreciate it a great deal.
 
  • #975
As an FYI, I have seen jewelry that Casey made and the beads I saw do not match the beads that were on that cross.

But have you seen the beads that KC had in her room? I make beaded jewelry and have many different varieties of beads. Just because the beads on the cross necklace and the beads on the Dakota bracelet don't match, doesn't mean there weren't other beads in KC's bedroom. After all, the female bounty hunter was actually in KC's home.
 
  • #976
No disrespect intended but it seems like everyone has the same answer...I know more but I just can't tell you at this time...I'm not the right person to tell you this...etc. if someone knows something about LP that we should know say it! Either that or stop dropping tidbits that just add to the confusion!


ITA, and also I'd like to know where some get that "secret" information from, because if it is coming from CA or GA, I really don't think it is that reliable!:rolleyes:
 
  • #977
2 divers and 1 reporter said it looked like bones. Someone else said some of the artifacts are about 2" long. I read where someone said it looked like chicken bones. LE took them allegedly as "found property". Who announced that they were rocks?

LP is fixated on this park for a reason and unlike TM, has actually been in the same room with KC. So LP has a hunch and hunches do not come from nowhere. A lot of ping info turned up nothing, so what is wrong with the hunch of an experienced bounty hunter?

LP knows people, he hunts them down for a living. TM works with technology and mathmatics. It seems there should be mutual respect, they are both investigators. LP brings home living beings who are trying to hide. TM brings home the human remains that someone else tried to hide. Two different approaches.

The sonar used by TES can not see into silt. These great divers today volunteered their time and energy to do a dark water search in alligator infested water, using only their sense of touch to scour the bottom of a slow moving river. They found something that at least 3 people think are bones and they called in LE. They are heros and they are forgotten in all this.

LP did not respond to the remarks, he does not need to, he has already said he is taking the polygraph.

He is the Josy Mansour of this case and Josy is still on Joran's 1 yard line while everyone else has moved on.

Media was going to be at that search whether LP called them or not and I believe you all when you say that Murt showed media there at 7:30 am today. Nuff said on that. Just because they were there where LE arrived an hour after the call, doesn't mean LP called them first.

CA and TM are accusing LP of stealing items from the A house and planting fake evidence? Didn't CA (or maybe Lee) once accuse TM of stealing $300.00 from the KFN jar and of being a drunk? Call me silly, but I see a link; the A's are accusing both searchers of criminal conduct.

Didn't an ex-FBI guy say "If LP tells you something, you can take it to the bank." (I haven't heard ex-FBI say that about TM). So this tells me that LP has been reliable in the past. Plus, LP said, "sure, I'll take the test, set it up" when asked by LE if he would undergo an FBI polygraph.

TM has a much bigger burden to carry than LP, he has people waiting for some help and has already committed his team to help them. For missing people, time is of the essence, so he has to make tough decisions on when and where to search. It must be frustrating to know that KC has the answer, but the sociopath isn't talking so all of this money, manpower and energy is being exerted and could better be used for people who are really lost and he says things like "Damn you KC!".

TM said he is not going home until Caylee is found. He has 100 volunteer TES searchers who will continue to search the areas of interest. Try to support these volunteers. This is where ice, soda pops, water and food will really help and they will be searching every weekend. You know, we could make a difference for them in their efforts.

Support the ground troops where the egos are in check.

Sorry just can't snip your great post!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
  • #978
I take him very seriously..........and I think it might tie in with Cocoamom's idea too.......

Something happened the night of 6-30 into the early morning hours of 7-1. There were cell pings off the tower that serves Blanchard Park YMCA area from 12:07am to 2:00 am then those pings moved east to an area that has Bella Vita Blvd. Pings from towers that surround Bella Vita Blvd occured from 2:00 am to 10:00 am on July 1 (approx). ...

Worth noting is the pings in the Bella Vita Blvd area only happened on the early morning hours of 7-1 and never again. This area is full of new construction - nice big homes - private community. KC did the tattoo Bella Vita either on July 2 or July 3 depending on how you interpret the cell pings.

So again .. isnt it strange that KC pinged off the primary tower serving Blanchard Park YMCA area from 12am - 2am then moved east from 2am to 10 am in an area that had Bella Vita Blvd surrounded by cell towers? No sleep that night ... first night away from Tony L .. in a Jeep not a Sunfire ... why didn't she just stay at Tony L apartment? this is the time frame of interest and why LP is at the river search now ... LP gets it where most don't.

Thank you, TURBOTHINK, this is very helpful and her actions are most suspicious, for sure.
 
  • #979
Don't be silly. The FBI lab knows the difference between Martian DNA and human DNA.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: just dont have KOBI look into it.....
 
  • #980
i wonder how much longer before cindy says the one armed man did it?:waitasec:


I'm thinking the one-armed man might be the one whose remains were in the truck after Casey got hold of him. :wink:
 
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