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With a heavy nosebleed, she would probably have blood running down her throat (which would cause those smaller droplets if she coughed) at the same time it was dripping from her nose ☹️
It looks like the Travis blood splatter when it was said he coughed up blood at the sink- I forgot his last name-Jodi Arias case) Edit: Alexander is the last name-just came ot me lol

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Was NG wealthy? And how many sons/daughters did she have who would be in line for the inheritance? I can't imagine wanting the inheritance was the motivation, but who knows what goes through some peoples minds?
I'd guess the home is worth a million. When divided by 3, that is pretty nice payout. And she likely had a bit more in savings.

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I will caveat what I just said... IF the family did this and IF they also demanded the ransom, then it's probably motivated by anger at Savannah being more wealthy and assuming that she'd pay it. That they could assault, abduct, and probably murder Nancy to achieve that is despicable to contemplate.

MOO

If, as you say, a family member did do this, then (whether they asked for the bitcoin ransom or not), I have a feeling that it will be connected to money somewhere and somehow.

For example, Nancy may have been under pressure to change her will. If one child doesn't 'need' inheritance (ie Savannah), then pressure can be put on elderly parents to leave everything to the sibling who is more in 'need'.

That may not sit well with a parent, who wants to feel they are being fair and equal.
 
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I had a wierd fall a few months ago and hit my face. It caused an awful nosebleed. That's what the droplets reminded me of. (Of course there are other factors involved here) I don't think there were any fine droplets involved in my case.
Agree. My dad was on blood thinners (Plavix) for a couple of years and he would get awful nosebleeds. There would be large blood droplets on the floor and his pillowcase very similar in size to the ones seen on Nancy’s front porch.
 
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I know my Mother has friends, I don't know who they are, or their phone numbers. Nor do they have my information. I don't have my kids friends names, or phone numbers. Nor do they know my friends or have their phone numbers.

So it just seems odd to me.
I disagree with this - my mother was a regular at church for over 50 years.. she used to sit with the same lady every week (except for pre planned holidays etc) one week my mother didn’t attend due to being in hospital and the other lady got into a panic about her.

From after that day I had her number (my mothers friends daughter also had my mothers).

It allowed us to message them if either my mother or hers wouldn’t be attending
 
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Anyone giving a ransom note if they have any brains would know that you have to prove the person is alive before collecting. I keep thinking of the Fargo movie. Not sure how anyone can pull that off unless the ransom is just a distraction to the real killer. I hope thats not the case
 
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If, as you say, a family member did do this, then (whether they asked for the bitcoin ransom or not), I have a feeling that it will be connected to money somewhere and somehow.

For example, Nancy may have been under pressure to change her will. If one child doesn't 'need' inheritance (ie Savannah), then pressure can be put on elderly parents to leave everything to the sibling who is more in 'need'.

That may not sit well with a parent, who wants to feel they are being fair and equal.

Agree. I, too, have the feeling that the will might have played the role.
 
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<modsnip> ... I stopped trusting MSM for information a long time ago.
Did you read the article? This Friedman guy was contacting people while the Grammys were on. That was Sunday night and here we are Wednesday. It’s so curious where he found out the son in law dropped her off then “checked” on her.
Did SG get this info out to him, or someone close to her? Who would it have been on Sunday?
 
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I'd guess the home is worth a million. When divided by 3, that is pretty nice payout. And she likely had a bit more in savings.

And perhaps he also owed her money too?
I just don’t see it for that amount of money. It’s really not that much imo. Not nowadays anyway. Moo. Now if it were a million dollars for each maybe. If that is the case, I’m surprised I’m not dead yet. lol
 
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I found that article and thought it was from the NY Post and people were asking me for the link and I posted it I thought it strange that someone would contact people on the night of the Grammys with this info if they didn’t have a good source. Now I’ll have to find it bc I dont think the website implicated him and maybe that was just my conclusion putting it together in my mind. He was the last to see her (although people were saying they didnt read that he drove her home) and then went back to “check on her”. Id have to go back to yesterday and find the link. or I’ll search for it now.

Here it is Exclusive: Savannah Guthrie's Brother-in-Law Said to Have Been Last Person to See Her Alive, Phone and Handbag Left Behind - Showbiz411

Banned source? Was the link deleted from yesterday?

The way it is worded is:

" Sources say the last person who saw Nancy alive on Saturday night was her other daughter’s husband, her son-in-law, who checked in on her. He is absolutely not a suspect.

When police responded to a 911 call the next morning, they found Nancy’s house to be pristine. All of her personal belongings were in place, including her phone and her handbag.

That’s what led the police to realize this was an abduction."

This is conflicting information to what we now believe: cameras smashed, blood outside and inside.
 
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Sorry I just meant 'not an approved source' ie i remembered people saying it wouldn't count as MSM.
It's unusual for a show-biz reporter who isn't known outside of that niche, imo, and who doesn't cover crime to have a significant detail about a crime and ongoing investigation. The skepticism about his reporting is to be expected, imo.

But in this case, whoa.

How did he know?

jmo
 
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I just don’t see it for that amount of money. It’s really not that much imo. Not nowadays anyway. Moo. Now if it were a million dollars for each maybe. If that is the case, I’m surprised I’m not dead yet. lol
Unless you're desparate for a hunk of money right now.

There is hope she is alive and this wasn't for inheritance but cash bitcoin now, ykwim?

jmo
 
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I just don’t see it for that amount of money. It’s really not that much imo. Not nowadays anyway. Moo. Now if it were a million dollars for each maybe. If that is the case, I’m surprised I’m not dead yet. lol

If it was an inheritance based row, maybe local daughter and SIL felt Nancy should leave them her entire house, since they are local and live up the road and don't seem to have highly paid jobs like Savannah? Rather than sell it and divide it up. Property is highly contentious, and when some family are local and some aren't it can be even more so. MOO. Speculation.
 
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I did. If he drove her home at 10 PM and he went back to check on her…..

The Showbiz article said the SIL ‘checked in’ on Nancy also stated that he was the last person to see her alive.

Does this mean that he was the person who took NG home after dinner Saturday night or are they saying that he went to the house to check in on her later?
 
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The way it is worded is:

" Sources say the last person who saw Nancy alive on Saturday night was her other daughter’s husband, her son-in-law, who checked in on her. He is absolutely not a suspect.

When police responded to a 911 call the next morning, they found Nancy’s house to be pristine. All of her personal belongings were in place, including her phone and her handbag.

That’s what led the police to realize this was an abduction."

This is conflicting information to what we now believe: cameras smashed, blood outside and inside.


There's definitely been a lot of conflicting information about what the inside and outside of Nancy's home looked like when LE arrived.

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Did someone say that Savannah has returned home? That would make sense if there wasn't any other urgent reason and she was made aware of the suspicion around the SIL.

I am still shocked about this development. In other cases, family often seems likely and eventuates they did the crime, but for Nancy, I just didn't see it. That could also be my mind not wanting to process that someone who knew her could actually cause her harm. Harm to older adults is always shocking but when its a family member it is up there as one of the most heinous of crimes.

Someone elderly has a lifetime of experiences, relationships, has survived probably more things than younger people realise, yet one person's actions can have the power to end it (or in this case let's hope Nancy is alive somewhere).
 
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The way it is worded is:

" Sources say the last person who saw Nancy alive on Saturday night was her other daughter’s husband, her son-in-law, who checked in on her. He is absolutely not a suspect.

When police responded to a 911 call the next morning, they found Nancy’s house to be pristine. All of her personal belongings were in place, including her phone and her handbag.

That’s what led the police to realize this was an abduction."

This is conflicting information to what we now believe: cameras smashed, blood outside and inside.
Right. I just drew my own conclusions from that. Saying “he is not a suspect” is almost tongue in cheek…
Or “Should be a suspect but we haven’t heard about him”..if you read it that way.
Or “Doesn’t it seem he should be s suspect”.
It’s just strange.

Oh, here it doesn't say he dropped her off at 10 PM.
That was from MSM.
The checking in on her would be weird having dropped her off.
Why would he have to check in on her.
Anyway, backing off until more info comes out bc someone like Banfield could have found that article and is also making conclusions for clicks and views.
 
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The Showbiz article said the SIL ‘checked in’ on Nancy also stated that he was the last person to see her alive.

Does this mean that he was the person who took NG home after dinner Saturday night or are they saying that he went to the house to check on her later?

Various sources have said he drove her home or he and his wife drove her home around 10 PM.
Although the article doesn’t mention that, it mentions he “checked up on her”. (Checked in on her)
Which is why yesterday morning, when I found that article the whole thing sounded weird.
And that he may have been involved.

If he drove her home at 10 and we know she was gone at 2, thats only 4 hours- it would be too coincidental if someone else was involved imo.
 
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<modsnip> ... I stopped trusting MSM for information a long time ago.
Did you read the article? This Friedman guy was contacting people while the Grammys were on. That was Sunday night and here we are Wednesday. It’s so curious where he found out the son in law dropped her off then “checked” on her.
Did SG get this info out to him, or someone close to her? Who would it have been on Sunday?
It doesn't say when he checked on her.

It could simply be a reference to when they went to the house after Nancy's church friends got in touch.
 
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If it was an inheritance based row, maybe local daughter and SIL felt Nancy should leave them her entire house, since they are local and live up the road and don't seem to have highly paid jobs like Savannah? Rather than sell it and divide it up. Property is highly contentious, and when some family are local and some aren't it can be even more so. MOO. Speculation.
I should probably be worried then. My mom died recently and left us kids a substantial inheritance. All my kids & their family’s live in the same town as myself. I recently set up my own will beings I have a quadriplegic daughter. I told my kids what my will states. So when I die there are no surprises or issues. Advised not to. Decided I wanted to anyways. Maybe it was a mistake. A person thinks they don’t have crazies in their family. Sometimes I guess that’s not always the case. Ok. Now I’m scared. I’m going to keep my faith that none of them will kill me over the will/inheritence. I’m naïve sometimes… I hope it doesn’t happen in my life/family. Fingers crossed for the rest of my life 😉
 

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