Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[DizzyB]

Plenty of people don’t have DNA in CODIS. I’d venture most people, actually.

JMO

True, but there are ways around that.

 

[Heaven Leigh]

Has anyone in LE mentioned items were taken from the home?

 

[Monepone]

The optimistic me says maybe they ignored it as trash b/c they didn't they handn't seen the video yet?

Speaking of ignored... Does anyone know if that blue shirt near NG's walkway ever got collected/addressed by LE?

 

[Cassie P]

The whole outfit was rag-tag, not professional and "off". It seemed cheap and makeshift, so maybe a desperate person, poor, very inexperienced, or whacko.

--Cheap $5 bin holster that profiled for a longer revolver, yet he had dark what looks like late gen poly semi auto in it.
--Awkward open-carry low handing version of appendix carry when he approached the door.
--$15 Ozark trail backpack from Walmart with reflective strips that glow on IR night cameras!!
---Thick nitrile or butyl gloves that made him fumble when picking up the latanas/disabling doorbell cam and would be useless if he had to quickly use his gun.
--Mouth light that transfers saliva


Some experts have insinuated this is all amateurish and off cause, well, the guy is probably off.

Edit: it almost comes off like an edgy teenager cosplaying kidnapper the way it's thrown together. and i am not convinced he had a real firearm in there. Could be a replica or airsoft, displayed to threaten an old lady and would explain why it was awkwardly stuffed in a discount bin pistol holster.

Thank you StM. This coincides with my idea that this is a teen male or perhaps young 20's. A mixture of male and female in terms of appearance. Also his inexperience and poor judgement. Lack of funds. Clothing second hand, thrift shop, etc.

Also the disconnect from his no worry attitude and the serious crime he was about to commit.

My work background is in mental health so I have been thinking about that piece of it. Is this guy mentally ill in some way. Or suffering from some intellectual impairment.

This may be a strange question, but the way he has positioned the (pretend?) gun seems like a red flag to me from a clinical perspective. Right in front of his crotch. Is this a normal placement for a gun? If so, why would someone do that? What does it mean or signify?

Clinically of course it raises questions.

 

[pulchra73]

yes. They have been there at least twice

Have you a link to what happened? Were they just in the house or the grounds? Did they go to AGs house? The cars?

 

[Jmanciello]

I see nothing that even closely resembles a tattoo. This is reaching pretty far. He has long sleeves and gloves that go past the wrist. That part of his arm was not visible.

I agree. It looks more like a piece of the glove like a darker line or pattern. I don’t see tattoo at all, but I am new here. I love reading every possible option.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Speaking of ignored... Does anyone know if that blue shirt near NG's walkway ever got collected/addressed by LE?

That is bugging me too! One of my theories is that the perp(s) handed NG a towel or piece of clothing to stop the bleeding (which is why there are drops along the walkway but not a lot). The shirt doesn't look bloody, but maybe that was folded to the inside when discarded.

I can't believe a major piece of evidence would be neglected, and it likely is nothing (?), but it has been on my mind.

jmo

 

[Lebowski]

Do these eyes look similar?

really hard to be sure one way or the other, because the ring picture is dark and blurry, the perp's eyes are partly obscured, and there are some uncontrolled variables here like the angle of the shot and whether the eyes are open to the same degree. all to the point where it's hard to find any definitive points of comparison.

having said that, i *think* the suspect's eyes are upturned, whereas the other pair of eyes is not. look at the relative heights of the inner and outer corners of each eye.

 

[m00c0w]

Occam’s Razor is really pointing to a kidnapping for ransom now. There is the footage of the perp. There are the multiple asks for ransom. What is complicating things is the amount of press and scrutiny this thing is getting and the number of LE, FBI and private agents involved. That is creating some hoax ransom demands that are getting mixed up with the real ones. Plus the real kidnappers are probably scared of being busted if they share too much info like a voice or video recording. They know the whole country is looking for NG now.

Occam’s razor would not point to a super complex kidnap for ransom plot being orchestrated… it would point more to something like an accidental death and attempt to cover up the death. That is far less complicated than everything that has to line up correctly and be known for the ransom plot to be legitimate.

 

[Ellis' Mom]

when exactly was the video of the "intruder"(s) time stamped? and...we all know timestamps can be manipulated...

I'm not sure "timestamped" is a correct term for the recovered video, but per Pima Co Sheriff's Dept and the FBI, the doorbell was disconnected at approximately 1:47 am on February 1st.

FBI releases new photos, videos of subject in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance, showing masked person on porch

FBI Director Kash Patel posted videos of a person outside the home of Nancy Guthrie, the mother of Savannah Guthrie, on the morning of her disappearance.

www.cbsnews.com

Seeking Information: Nancy Guthrie Video Footage | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The FBI is offering a reward of up to $50,000 for information leading to the recovery of Nancy Guthrie and/or the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in her disappearance. The Federal Bureau of Investigation's Phoenix Field Office and the Pima County Sheriff's Department in Arizona are...

www.fbi.gov

Her blood was not present at the front door at that time.

Edited: to remove duplicate cbs link and add intended fbi link.

 

[rosesfromangels]

What does it say about this guy that the gun does not fit the holster? He has no knowledge of guns? He was in a hurry and grabbed the wrong gun or holster? Someone gave it to him for this crime so he had to use it? He is not very bright, etc?

The same guy who didn’t anticipate the door cam and was grabbing shrubs to cover it up.
A-m-a-t-e-u-r.

The shrub pulling made me think “gardener/landscaper”.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[armchairagatha]

Occam’s razor would not point to a super complex kidnap for ransom plot being orchestrated… it would point more to something like an accidental death and attempt to cover up the death. That is far less complicated than everything that has to line up correctly and be known for the ransom plot to be legitimate.

How do you explain the Ring camera footage in that theory?

 

[CaseZero]

Occam’s Razor is really pointing to a kidnapping for ransom now. There is the footage of the perp. There are the multiple asks for ransom. What is complicating things is the amount of press and scrutiny this thing is getting and the number of LE, FBI and private agents involved. That is creating some hoax ransom demands that are getting mixed up with the real ones. Plus the real kidnappers are probably scared of being busted if they share too much info like a voice or video recording. They know the whole country is looking for NG now.

I agree, but if it was a kidnapping, why didn't the kidnappers send proof of life so they'd get their money and NG could come home? All I can think is that something happened very early with NG, and proof of life was impossible. I also agree that the media circus around this has been insane.

 

[Wibb]

Jacket possibly looks like Ozark Trail as well. No distinct label, cuffs are very unique along with border around zipper. Wish there was as a good view of the rear near neck. Very distinct snap hook. Tough to tell, but watching in slow mo and zoom, looks like back of elbow may be off color/fabric like a the one linked below?

Walmart brand everything fits the bill of young, lacking money, inexperienced.

Ozark Trail Men's and Big Men's Mix Media Fleece Jacket, Sizes S-3XL - Walmart.com

Buy Ozark Trail Men's and Big Men's Mix Media Fleece Jacket, Sizes S-3XL at Walmart.com

www.walmart.com

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Occam’s razor would not point to a super complex kidnap for ransom plot being orchestrated… it would point more to something like an accidental death and attempt to cover up the death. That is far less complicated than everything that has to line up correctly and be known for the ransom plot to be legitimate.

What would Occam's razor say about the full backpack?

jmo

 

[Bluewing3102]

Jacket possibly looks like Ozark Trail as well. No distinct label, cuffs are very unique along with border around zipper. Wish there were as a good view of the rear near neck. Very distinct snap hook. Tough to tell, but watching in slow mo and zoom, looks like back of elbow may be off color/fabric like a the one linked below?

Walmart brand everything fits the bill of young, lacking money, inexperienced.

Ozark Trail Men's and Big Men's Mix Media Fleece Jacket, Sizes S-3XL - Walmart.com

Buy Ozark Trail Men's and Big Men's Mix Media Fleece Jacket, Sizes S-3XL at Walmart.com

www.walmart.com

I agree everything about that outfit screams cheap and from walmart. People speculating things like "Patagonia"- IMO this guy is not spending $150-200 on an outfit or backpack lol.

 

[PCHS]

What would Occam's razor say about the full backpack?

jmo

Occam's razor says the most straightforward explanation is likely true - I don't think SIL dressing up in a mask for the camera is a straightforward answer.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

My thoughts: the glove that was found could have been a plant by the Feds.

The real glove could have been found earlier in a search

This could be a ploy to get someone talking and coming forward

 

[BrittMontero]

The same guy who didn’t anticipate the door cam and was grabbing shrubs to cover it up.
A-m-a-t-e-u-r.

The shrub pulling made me think “gardener/landscaper”.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

For an amateur, he’s certainly defeated fed, state and local investigators for 11 straight days.

Feeling so sad for NG’s family tonight. Reality must be sinking in.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Occam's razor says the most straightforward explanation is likely true - I don't think SIL dressing up in a mask for the camera is a straightforward answer.

Still the question - what would Occam's razor say about the backpack that looks loaded BEFORE going into the house? (ignoring anything about SIL - question is just about the backpack).

Sincere question, btw.