Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[samiam33]

You would think everyone in the area would be familiar with the case, but it doesn't seem that he or his family either were. Remember last night from the posts when the mother-in-law was saying sure, search our place, we have nothing to hide, and she could not come up with the name. When someone, perhaps the interviewer, prompted her, she agreed with the name. Not everyone stays tuned to the news, especially if they are scrambling, working multiple jobs, just trying to surviv

Right. It means masked man is there to help with the removal of NG, not that he was there as a clean up guy after the fact.

And I hate to say it, but the timeline is what leads me to believe she passed during the home invasion.

It was 40 minutes from camera destruction, to her being out of range of her phone. Seems if you are there for the purpose of kidnapping, you wouldn’t stay in the home with her for 40 minutes. If you are cleaning up a murder scene and burglarizing the home, you would

I can't help but wonder if the 40 minutes isn't accurate. The camera was disable at 1:48 or something like that, but image of person was picked up at 2:12. Do we know if the person/persons actually entered the home immediately after the camera was disabled? It seems possible that maybe they checked the property for more cameras or reorganized or who knows what...reconsidered...went back to the car for something....many possibilities. My point is do we know they actually entered the house immediately after disabling the camera? Is it possible the time inside was much shorter than 40 minutes?

 

[Cassie P]

I see their "experience" as not with breaking into homes, but more as familiarity with the home. It's a giant leap from breaking into a home for a robbery and kidnapping an elderly lady.

Maybe it didn't start out as a kidnapping, but a routine B&E. But it went sideways, they panicked and took the body with them to cover their tracks. Then decided to get a pay day from it. Or the ransom note is from someone else entirely.

 

[Cassie P]

I've missed so many pages, but is it known when that card was left at Nancy's door?

IDK but it would be an easy matter to call the head of APS and find out. And question the social worker.

 

[HoveringWombats]

I can't help but wonder if the 40 minutes isn't accurate. The camera was disable at 1:48 or something like that, but image of person was picked up at 2:12. Do we know if the person/persons actually entered the home immediately after the camera was disabled? It seems possible that maybe they checked the property for more cameras or reorganized or who knows what...reconsidered...went back to the car for something....many possibilities. My point is do we know they actually entered the house immediately after disabling the camera? Is it possible the time inside was much shorter than 40 minutes?

I agree. There are a lot of possibilities that could be consistent with the timeline and extremely limited information we have. We have zero information key things like when the home was actually entered, where the second camera that detected something was located, etc. We should be cautious about jumping to conclusions and then repeating them so often in here that they become accepted truth. We don't have enough information to know how long any perp or perps were in the house, IMO.

 

[Donswife48]

Porch lights are allowed. Mostly, they need to be pointed down and be under a certain wattage/lumens. (Former Catalina Foothills resident.)

Can they have a motion detector flood light? Maybe several along a driveway with a larger one on the porch. JMO

 

[judithannegg]

I was wondering if they’re doing to keep media attention away from other areas…. But that seems like such a waste of man power for a diversion.

searching and researching but not securing either house is so odd to me. Wouldn’t anything they find be pretty much unusable for trial? Or at least an avenue for a defense attorney?

I agree with you completely. Last count, they released Nancy's house back to the family four times after searching it. I remember how they did that within the first 24 hours which was crazy because they didn't even know yet what they were looking for. It's not like someone else lives there and needs their house back. And we are only just seeing boots on the ground in the last 24-48 hours. And no search or cadaver dogs have been used yet. And it was the 3rd or 4th search where they found an additional outside camera?

 

[FMFK]

Is it possible the individual is so calm because he knew she wasn’t home or never came home from the daughters house?

 

[LarryLujack]

From Ashleigh Banfield - it looks as if he may have torn a hole in the left index finger of his glove, from doorbell video released. I'm thinking possibly when he picked the flowers.

screenshot (from timestamp 18.45)

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Or perhaps NG's dog bit him and left a hole?

 

[girlhasnoname]

BBM. Yes this is my question as well. Can random B&E robbers pivot to a $6 million dollar kidnapping?

Routine small time robbers don't usually want to murder or kidnap people. They want quick cash or valuable items.

I suppose it is possible. They go into an older woman's house. Think they can grab some quick cash/items and exit. But it all goes sideways fast and they panic. Spur of the moment decision to take the body with them to protect themselves. Then at some point they decide to try for a big payout ransom. Maybe one of them has the necessary tech skills or they have a friend or relative who does.

Normally not I would say, but considering the celebrity status of SG and her $$$$, maybe so.

I will be the first to admit I have no freaking idea about this case it is so bizarre to me. I usually make a quick read on a case, but not here. I'm sure there is quite a bit of information that LE hasn't released. I wonder if Nancy called anyone after she was dropped off at home?

My main hope is somehow Nancy is still alive and reunited with her family, even if the odds of that happening lower each day.

JMO

 

[kspoon45]

Maybe it didn't start out as a kidnapping, but a routine B&E. But it went sideways, they panicked and took the body with them to cover their tracks. Then decided to get a pay day from it. Or the ransom note is from someone else entirely.

One detail that's stuck out to me is that the backpack worn by the suspect in the Nest cam footage seems full and rigid. You can see it on the FBI video around the 15s mark. It's not empty, like they're expecting to break into a house and stuff it full of stolen items. It's already full. And to me, that means there's a reason/purpose that falls out of the scope of b&e.

 

[shonyakay]

Yes, it's truly baffling to see them doing things which are commonly performed within the first 48-72 hours in a taped off crime scene.

This lady has been missing a very long time.

I'm truly stymied.

This case is going to be an absolute nightmare to prosecute - if it even ever gets to that point.

 

[m00c0w]

Why would the “clean up guy” try to enter by breaking in through the front door instead of going in through the same door as the kidnapper? I swear some of yall need to think your theories through before posting… up next we’ll hear someone’s epiphany about how they’re certain that NG was a drug kingpin, killed by a rival cartel so that they could take over her routes.

Well, now that you mention it…

 

[Dreamcherry]

Maybe the purpose of disconnecting the door cam was to remove it because the perp(s) planned to bring their vehicle up to the driveway to bring Nancy out that way and they didn't want the camera to capture their vehicle.

Good thinking! This actually seems like a pretty solid hypothesis to me. It seems pretty likely she was taken by car, causing the trail of blood drops to end abruptly. And I think we've all followed cases where identifying the perp's vehicle blew the case wide open, so keeping the car hidden makes sense.

I see their "experience" as not with breaking into homes, but more as familiarity with the home. It's a giant leap from breaking into a home for a robbery and kidnapping an elderly lady.

Agreed. If it was a burglary gone wrong, why was nothing burglarized? Unless there are stolen items we don't know about, the only thing that seems to be missing is Nancy. Suggests to me that the intent was to make her disappear, either alive or deceased. I don't think this was spontaneous or the result of a change in plans.

 

[caplaw]

Maybe it didn't start out as a kidnapping, but a routine B&E. But it went sideways, they panicked and took the body with them to cover their tracks. Then decided to get a pay day from it. Or the ransom note is from someone else entirely.

Unlikely to be a routine B&E because, as seen in the video, the person’s backpack was already full when they approached the porch. Burglars don’t typically arrive to steal with their backpack already full. IMO.

 

[pulchra73]

Or perhaps NG's dog bit him and left a hole?

What dog?

 

[m00c0w]

Not to mention that AG/SIL basically gave over their house to LE who seem to come/go repeatedly for any purpose.

As opposed to what? Denying access and hiring an attorney? Not sure that would send a great message…

 

[samiam33]

Yes, but I'd say they would be 'smudged', have natural oils etc. So probably no, I could be wrong.

I was listening to a forensic expert yesterday who said it would be highly unlikely, but not. impossible

 

[oc1234]

I think it is a Nest because it appears to be on the same system (no video, no subscription), just like the first.

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There are 2 security cameras on the Casita shown in the attached drone footage. They are both White, Solar (small solar panel mounted on roof, camera mounted on brick). They are very cylindrical in shape and magnetically attached to bracket as Agent quickly removed one and then put it back at one point). You can see the camera facing the grass courtyard at the 51:45 mark mounted just about left side of sliding door. The other camera faces the driveway area in front of (perpendicular) to garage door. It is seen at the 5 second mark in video. It is mounted above sliding door in the upper right-hand corner on the brick with the panel mounted on the roof. The video shows agent removing the courtyard camera, I would think they removed the driveway camera as well, hard to miss.

If any footage from these is recoverable, it would show back courtyard and driveway area near garage. This could be fantastic for the case.

 

[Spectrix]

Why on earth didn’t they do this sooner

Do we know if the pics and video released by the FBI are in fact the 2:12 “software detects person on camera” pics? Or are they from before the doorbell was disconnected? The camera he is trying to cover with the lantana is the Nest camera, right? Or is it a Ring doorbell? Did she have both?

There was no Ring camera AFAIK, Nest is the only type reported. The images and video is from the front door doorbell cam (Nest) and we think it was captured shortly before it was disconnected at 1:47am.
The 2:12 timestamp is a notification, not a video (we assume from a different camera). If they have since recovered a video, it has not been made public.

 

[aamillaa]

This case is going to be an absolute nightmare to prosecute - if it even ever gets to that point.

Completely agree.

It seems like they’ll need a confession or similar in hopes someone takes a deal before it goes to trial.

Even in that case, not sure it would stand up to an appeal.

What a nightmare.