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It also appears he has something in his mouth or places something in his mouth? This guy appears a thinner build than suspect at NG’s. Could the other backpack include extra clothing to “beef” him up a bit? In the unblurred video it kinda looks like he’s wearing one of those latex masks. IMO
I think he's smoking something JMO.
 
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Why January the 11th?
 
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Completely agree.

It seems like they’ll need a confession or similar in hopes someone takes a deal before it goes to trial.

Even in that case, not sure it would stand up to an appeal.

What a nightmare.
Hopefully, their primary focus is locating Nancy - and the prosecution's needs are secondary.
 
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I’d agree that the attacker then had his hands full anyway you look at it.

And he sure didn’t want to be caught with that gear so throwing it out randomly might have seemed to him his best bet for disposal under the circumstances.

imo
Long ago, in conjunction with my job, I talked with local LE. Included in one discussion was that in the event of a robbery, their department traveled nearby roads to look for objects that had been tossed. IIRC within 7 miles was the distance perps often tossed say, ID of the homeowners, paperwork, etc.

That conversation came back to me when I read through the incredible story of Alan Lee Phillips, who after killing two women on the same night, got stuck in a mountain pass and rescued. As I recall, he had dumped some of the women's info on the road behind him. It was decades before he was identified as the killer.

So, perhaps throwing items away fairly near the crime is often done?
 
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Why January the 11th?
I think a pp indicated there was an attempted burglary around that date in the neighborhood...I believe it was posted this AM I'd have to review alot of posts back though...
 
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Day 12. Is NG alive?
 
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If you look at Harvey Levins video right above talking about this — the timestamp for the perp at NG’s is 2:12. So that gives this person 19 minutes to drive 5 miles to NG’s house and suit up. Odd things going on with backpacks that hour - that’s for sure. Weird coincidence— but could be.
Thanks. I wish those times could be confirmed then. It doesn’t make sense there would be three backpacks and two different jackets if it were the same person though.
 
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I asked AI, and they might make a visit if someone was reported missing.
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I wonder if anyone reached back out to APS after the business card was left? And wouldn't LE work directly with APS in this case if there were concerns about NG's well-being prior to her going missing?
I'm thinking that any info regarding a possible case wouldn't be released to the public.
Just pondering. As I said, it's been weighing on me.
IMO.


IMO.
 
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I think a pp indicated there was an attempted burglary around that date in the neighborhood...I believe it was posted this AM I'd have to review alot of posts back though...
There is video on TMZ but I read it can’t be posted here. Maybe the mods can respond.
 
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…but how well planned was it? The guy is bumbling around the porch with not even the most basic plan for dealing with the doorbell camera. Even if you don’t know if she had a camera, you would at least be prepared in the event it was there. Just an inch long piece of tape would cover the lens. Or a clawfoot hammer would quickly unmount it. Instead he wastes time holding his fist in front of his face while he sees how tight the camera is mounted then looking around the porch and yard before deciding that a scraggly plant is the best thing to block it.

Tape has residue and is more likely to leave DNA (or trace DNA) than his gloves. It would also be virtually impossible to unroll and cut tape with those meat gloves on. A hammer is just another tool for him to have to stop, remove backpack, unzip, take out, zip backpack, put backpack back on, and risk dropping and/or leaving an identifier along the way. And I can't really see a perp wearing a pair of Lee Dungarees just so he can have have his trusty Estwig at the ready for inconveniences like this.

He didn't panic when he saw the camera, so even if it surprised him (probably just the activated 'snap' noise they make when you are close and they photograph you), it didn't startle him enough or divert him from his ultimate mission. I'm not even sure the flowers were an attempt to cover the lens since flowers left at a front door have all kinds of symbolic meanings, from affectionate to ghoulish. Maybe, for example, he saw the camera, smirked to himself, and then considered it another way to taunt anyone who would be viewing it later. Or as a way to verify it was him at the scene in the later ransom notes.

JMO.
 
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Have not thought of this! I’ve been trying to put my finger on his general demeanor approaching the entry. No hurry or anxiety. Reluctance seems to fit.

MOO
Based on my same sense of his demeanor, I’m actually wondering if he was somehow coerced into it. Coercion has such tremendous currency in our digital era.

MOO, of course.
 
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Who is Harvey and what’s the actual source for the timeline change? It’s been consistently stated there were two different cameras reporting events at 1:47 and at 2:12.
Harvey Levin of TMZ. See my post up thread.
 
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Something about this guy is off. His body language is too extra. Too exaggerated.
Agree. And while it’s possible, you mean to tell me he hadn’t heard about the abduction until he was in custody? Anything is possible, but I don’t buy it
 
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I asked AI, and they might make a visit if someone was reported missing.
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I just want to add something to this, this particular APS worker owns a PI agency and a former cop. Since I am not sure what the rules are regarding this, and I am not going to give the last name. With the card info, it is a simple google search of the name, and viewing her LinkedIn page. Not that her work background is important to why a card would be at the door, but she does seem to have extensive career and background in law enforcement. If this is not allowed, because I am not providing something of fact, then please remove, and I do apologize for breaking a rule.

All of the above is IN MY OPINION on what I found upon a search.
 
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