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I was very skeptical at first, but I'm starting to open up to the possibility that SG could have been the main target somehow:

The worst thing to ever happen to Savannah Guthrie, it seems, is the best thing to ever happen to her colleagues at NBC.

Whispers already abound among these morning show vipers — who may be seeding an outcome they'd welcome — that Savannah may never come back to the Today show. On-air talent is already taking meetings with execs, jockeying for Savannah's chair, to take over her position as star of the show.
 
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I'm shocked the suspect left a glove INSIDE the home! That's pretty stupid.
 
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A lot being said about the possible 'bite light' in lantana mans mouth and so I wanted to post up a run down of the most likely people to have such a light handy.

Common user profiles include:
Pilots (especially general aviation and night flyers) — They use models like the Flight Gear Bite Light with white light for pre/post-flight checks and red light to preserve night vision in the cockpit.

Theater technicians, lighting crew, stagehands, and wardrobe personnel — In tech theater and backstage work, bite lights (often called "bitelites") are popular for climbing ladders, focusing lights, quick changes in dark wings, or when carrying gear.
Mechanics, auto technicians, or anyone working under vehicles/dashboards — Hands are occupied with tools, so mouth-held light helps see tight spaces.

Performers or quick-change artists (sometimes in drag, costume, or low-light creative work) — Soft, teeth-friendly versions exist for hands-free illumination during fast changes or detailed work.

Jewellers and Crafting Hobbyists — Anyone who works regularly with crafts that require both hands to be free during intricate work.

DIYers, electricians, plumbers, or home repair folks — Anyone who's ever held a regular flashlight in their mouth under a sink or in an attic ends up appreciating a purpose-built bite version.

Outdoor/night workers — Like some night fishing setups (though "bite light" there more often means bite indicators/alarms), or cavers/explorers who prefer mouth-held options over headlamps in tight spots.
I had Googled for something similar…maybe a coworker will recognize the perp based upon the bite light??
 
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What does it matter if both labs are just as good? Why is the FBI leaking to the news their grievances unless they too are lost and want to finger-point.
I think it is a sign perhaps that the investigation has stalled and they have nothing? Or they are beginning to realize they have screwed up and wasted a great deal of time doing nothing productive?
 
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This is what I'm thinking. Also if glove found INSIDE the house, that means day 1. Was FBI even involved day 1 (I'm late to this case) if so they probably just sent it to the lab they commonly work with.

- now if it's the gloves supposedly found yesterday...that's more concerning.

Also for someone to leak this shows there's a lot of big egos with hurt feelings in that room. Never good for an investigation.
Right! If they just found the glove yesterday, it could have been left by any of the investigators who collected evidence before…🤪

It seems pretty sloppy for a criminal to wear a mask, full covered suit, gloves, and then to leave a glove behind. It’s also, certainly possible, though.

Time will tell.
 
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IR cameras do very odd things with colors, particularly fabrics and textures.
This is why they blacked out the front of the house today. They recreated the view of the camera with the items they believe the abductor was wearing.

Like that backpack.
 
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I’m glad the backpack has been identified, but I feel like the holster and its placement are far more important. I have never seen a holster or anyone carry a gun like that before.

Long thread. We've gone over the holster and appendix carry in depth but as a gun guy who carried for years on the job, it triggers me (excuse the pun)...


Strange Version of "Appendix Carry" - Just for "Show"?


Appendix carry is common in concealed carry. It gives you a quicker draw, though it can be cumbersome.
appendix.webp

What the person on the Nest video footage did was essentially an awkward low hanging "open carry" version of appendix carry. Normally you would clip into your belt, but he seemed to have in dangling lower. I can not be sure if it was connected to a belt dangling, or tucked in with a clip (a holster like the one he had would usually have a belt loop and not a clip like a Kydex holster). Some commentators said it was "Mexican carry" but that's just a general term for tucking in a gun into your waist w/o a holster so no.

Mismatched Holster

To further matters his cheapo nylon looking holster seemed profiled for a longer revolver, while having a smaller dark late gen poly semi automatic in it. Very, rag-tag thrown together. He had it oriented for a right hand draw. My conclusion is that he put it front and center (while approaching the door) for an intimidation factor and coercion of the homeowner (who he probably knew was an elderly lady living alone in a dark, secluded neighborhood.

Gloves Prevent Proper Firearm Handling

Additionally, he was wearing thick (possibly Nitrile) gloves which would make drawing and even putting a finger into a trigger guard difficult, so again I think he was just using it for show, as an intimidation factor (we don't even know if it was a live firearm).
 
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I'm shocked the suspect left a glove INSIDE the home! That's pretty stupid.
Think of Kohburger leaving his sheath.
 
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I thought the person who originally posted about this was a troll. Surprised so many are discussing it.
It does seem "out there" but if you want to obscure time of death and you know your victim has a pacemaker implanted it's a good idea to remove it. I am in NO WAY suggesting this happened in this case. IMO
 
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I was very skeptical at first, but I'm starting to open up to the possibility that SG could have been the main target somehow:

The worst thing to ever happen to Savannah Guthrie, it seems, is the best thing to ever happen to her colleagues at NBC.

Whispers already abound among these morning show vipers — who may be seeding an outcome they'd welcome — that Savannah may never come back to the Today show. On-air talent is already taking meetings with execs, jockeying for Savannah's chair, to take over her position as star of the show.
The show must go on and all that, their lives keep going, doggy dog world that industry. Might not be that true, but def a wondering amongst them, especially the 'owners'. IMO
 
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Think of Kohburger leaving his sheath.
I don't think it would be odd that someone made a mistake and left something (to your point).
 
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If the glove inside the house is from the perpetrator, it seems like something they would know they’d left behind and risk going back for. Then again, I always thought that about Kohberger and the knife sheath too so….
Moo
Agree. Kohberger thought of everything, but forgot knife sleeve. With DNA! So amazing!
Just my opinion
 
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So the Sheriff gets to make these decisions? If it happened prior to the FBI’s involvement, or there is other evidence already at the FL lab that might be comparative, an argument might be made for using it. I need more information. I would think that the FBI and this case where the director personally showed up would have been able to put this at the top of the pile. If a decision was made with both agencies on board, okay. If this is a pi**ing contest between the FBI and the local Sheriff, that stinks.
If I were hearing all of this and I were the family... I would hire private investigators.
 
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Why not? He is of similar height and build, the ski mask meets the collar so its impossible to see a beard or lack of one. There is clearly some facial hair around the mouth area and its a Caucasian or light-skinned male. Not to mention the possible tattoo on the right wrist is similar to one that is being discussed on other sites as belonging to the SIL.
Last night I went through band videos to see if I could see the tattoo; dark stages -- and difficult to see. I'll keep looking..
 
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