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I still cannot get past the question of WHY? If nothing was stolen; ransom messages probably fake;
then someone or some persons went to a LOT of trouble to kidnap an 84-year old woman with health issues. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?
I agree and further to that point, if it was more than one person (which the FBI says is the case and makes sense based on the evidence we have seen), do they all have the SAME motive??

But who benefits from a missing person? No inheritance for 5 years when she might be presumed dead.
If it was a group, wouldn't at least one of them want their pay day soon? Let's say one person (a leader figure) was motivated by something other than money (revenge, pain, control, etc.) but paid the other(s) to be involved. I would imagine the other(s) are getting antsy for the money.
AND they would be a risk for providing info to LE in exchange for a plea deal. EDIT: Unless the entire group is all invested in whatever is playing out now.

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And yet we still have ZERO PROOF that NG ever made it home from AG and SIL house. Until that's conclusively proven they will remain under suspicion.
I used to think the same but the criminal complaint they issued against the ransom hoaxer, as well as the FBI website asking for tips, both state that the last place NG was seen was her home. Unless they're purposefully lying about that, then I am assuming she did make it home. MOO
 
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  • #25,542
So I just did a google explore search. I did custom dates from 1/1/25 until 1/30/26. The only time her home was searched for was on January 18th, and it was searched 29 times. I am hoping that they were able to find out from where and maybe that is pushing the dates.
Are you sure that wasn't for the other prominent Nancy Guthrie? I think she's a Christian author.

JMO
 
  • #25,543
What does it matter if both labs are just as good? Why is the FBI leaking to the news their grievances unless they too are lost and want to finger-point. Look personally? I think both teams have made some mistakes from what I can see...and there have been well publicized issues with the FBI as well recently. Maybe instead of finger-pointing they could have concentrated on doing a top to bottom thorough search on the residence and property when they arrived instead of also it seems missing things that should not have been overlooked (like the roof search and the removal of the other camera) or taking 2 weeks to get google to give them the footage they had. My POV is Local LE and the FIB are both wrong and have made mistakes and need to just concentrate on solving this or calling in some agents who can get somewhere, instead of making a case to the press for a failure. JMO
Yes!
 
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no, this was live ... watched them walk up, place flowers, pray in a group, took pictures of one another and then this .... there are days I really do NOT like people :(
 
  • #25,546
Using the garage instead of going anywhere near the front door suggests that someone didnt want to appear on the front door camera. Also the short time between opening and closing doesn't leave much time for a woman like NG, described as being invariably of low mobility to go inside or be brought inside before the individual who dropped her off would presumably drive away.

It can't be denied that if she had been brought home and walked to her front door it would have helped clear AG and SIL. But because that didnt happen we have to continue to ask why.
Posters should be reminded to use the MOO or other options when stating their opinions only. Otherwise after all this is said and done, posts could be brought up as slander of a person and brought into a lawsuit. MOO
 
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dbm
 
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Also Thursday, NewsNation obtained surveillance video that seems to show someone carrying and wearing backpacks similar to those seen in the surveillance videos from Guthrie’s home, attempting to climb over a wall in Tucson at 1:52 a.m., which was minutes after Guthrie’s Nest camera disconnected at 1:47 a.m. and about 20 minutes before the system later detected a person at 2:12 a.m.

The Ring camera video recorded about five miles from Nancy Guthrie’s home is now on the FBI’s radar, with investigators examining its timing in relation to Guthrie’s disappearance

Sheriff Chris Nanos confirmed last week that investigators believe they are working a crime scene after processing the Guthrie home. Yet questions have emerged about whether early missteps in handling the scene may have compromised the investigation.

“This is really, for me, pretty new,” Nanos acknowledged in a recent press conference, referring to the intense public attention surrounding the high-profile case.

Despite decades spent in law enforcement, Nanos told reporters he was unaccustomed to the level of public scrutiny accompanying a case of this magnitude

I’m not used to everybody hanging on to my words and then trying to hold me accountable for what I say,” he said.

Crime Scene Released Prematurely​

After investigators processed the home and gathered fingerprints, DNA and surveillance images, Nanos confirmed investigators’ fears: they had discovered a crime scene.

But a critical decision came next.

Before federal investigators had an opportunity to revisit the scene, the sheriff’s office released the home back to the family. That move allowed media crews — including Arizona’s Family News — to walk directly to the front door and capture video of what Nanos described as blood droplets.
 
  • #25,550
What is interesting is they have raised the reward to $100,000. Significantly more than the 1 Bitcoin the most recent ransom request asks for. If they really had info, you would think they would take the $100k instead.

I figured maybe they are illegal but want to remain in US, hence not taking official route. That's if they even know...
 
  • #25,551
no, this was live ... watched them walk up, place flowers, pray in a group, took pictures of one another and then this .... there are days I really do NOT like people :(
Oh how disappointing people can be :(
 
  • #25,552
Also Thursday, NewsNation obtained surveillance video that seems to show someone carrying and wearing backpacks similar to those seen in the surveillance videos from Guthrie’s home, attempting to climb over a wall in Tucson at 1:52 a.m., which was minutes after Guthrie’s Nest camera disconnected at 1:47 a.m. and about 20 minutes before the system later detected a person at 2:12 a.m.

The Ring camera video recorded about five miles from Nancy Guthrie’s home is now on the FBI’s radar, with investigators examining its timing in relation to Guthrie’s disappearance
This person has been cleared.
 
  • #25,553
This is what I'm thinking. Also if glove found INSIDE the house, that means day 1. Was FBI even involved day 1 (I'm late to this case) if so they probably just sent it to the lab they commonly work with.

- now if it's the gloves supposedly found yesterday...that's more concerning.

Also for someone to leak this shows there's a lot of big egos with hurt feelings in that room. Never good for an investigation.
Something else that has occurred to me is that if the sheriff has been receiving reports from the same place, he and his people are accustomed to the format the information is presented in.

It's possible they can sift through the information easier when it's a format they're accustomed to working with.

I personally know how frustrating it can be to move between various DNA sites as each one has it's own way. One I like much better than the other, I use it more, because or so it is easier and faster for me to understand new information.
 
  • #25,554
Why is this even a point of discussion? There is absolutely no reason to suspect anything close to this happened. I think it’s more likely that a javelina kidnapped her than someone randomly excising a pacemaker for unknown reasons.

JMO
Exactly!!!! I really wish we could put this one point of discussion to bed unless/until new evidence is revealed in this regard.
 
  • #25,555
Why not? He is of similar height and build, the ski mask meets the collar so its impossible to see a beard or lack of one. There is clearly some facial hair around the mouth area and its a Caucasian or light-skinned male. Not to mention the possible tattoo on the right wrist is similar to one that is being discussed on other sites as belonging to the SIL.

Physical appearance aside. Nest cam action. End of.
 
  • #25,556
OK does anyone else think it's not a "black" backpack ? the shoulder straps are two toned..right?
black backpacks have black shoulder straps.. I know FBI says black or news said that...so not sure now..
 
  • #25,557
I’m glad the backpack has been identified, but I feel like the holster and its placement are far more important. I have never seen a holster or anyone carry a gun like that before.
agreed. pretty precarious pistol placement...IMO. i know more than i want to about guns and that's about the dumbest/most careless/dangerous holster position i've ever seen. unless this guy craves risk, this is nuckin' futs.
 
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Posters should be reminded to use the MOO or other options when stating their opinions only. Otherwise after all this is said and done, posts could be brought up as slander of a person and brought into a lawsuit. MOO
Slander is verbal and spoken in person, on a site like this it would be Libel and it rarely if ever is brought up.
 
  • #25,559
I live in the Tucson area and have personal experience with Nanos and his staff. Between the PCSD deputies harassing people in poor areas, not responding to urgent calls, etc. I am not surprised that things are going this way. One day, my spouse and I were driving home and encountered an elderly man (75-80ish) and his dog being gruesomely attacked by two pitbulls. By the time we arrived, the man and his dog were on the ground, the man's clothing partially torn off and blood was everywhere. My husband jumped out of the car and tried to help while I called 911. Needless to say, Pima County Sheriffs office "declined" the call and said they would not come for a dog attack and then transferred me to the fire department - which also declined the call. I begged for anyone to come or to send an ambulance - but they refused. A second incident happened when a neighbor's home was being broken into and we called PCSD and they also refused to come unless someone was home at the neighbor's and injured. After those two incidents, I realized they were not there to help average citizens and had their own agenda.
Was it the dispatcher who declined to send assistance?
The sheriff is an elected position and all I know is that this is Nano's 2nd term, he won the 2024 election by about 500 votes and IIRC: about 500,000 votes were cast.
When did the 2 incidents happen and did you contact anyone to file a complaint?
 
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OK does anyone else think it's not a "black" backpack ? the shoulder straps are two toned..right?
black backpacks have black shoulder straps.. I know FBI says black or news said that...so not sure now..
IR cameras do very odd things with colors, particularly fabrics and textures.
 
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