Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[tkcrockett]

Possible but why would they need to go around the front rather than just opening the door from inside? Not saying it’s a dealbreaker but odd.

I agree with you and I don’t know that answer. Closer to the car? More level landscape?

 

[SaraSmile]

It's a shame that this even has to be questioned, as it was from the beginning a high profile homicide investigation.

DBM

 

[Wsimm]

What doesn't add up is that family members went to the house to check on Nancy, if it was immediately obvious that Nancy was in danger because of the state of the house, then they wouldn't wait an hour to call 'law enforcement', they would call immediately. It sounds like it wasn't obvious, if it was obvious, then why did they wait? It doesn't take an hour to search a house if done 'methodically'.

I believe they called 911 in approx 7 minutes.

 

[Ellis' Mom]

I keep wondering what happened to the doorbell. Did he throw it in the bushes or take it with him? He got it out of range of the wifi apparently (or cut the wifi, as mentioned).

I suspect it's more likely he pulled the battery out of it.

 

[ab01]

They surely would not have gone back and replaced it after testing ,so it must be concluded it just sat there whilst numerous people were able to tread all over it .

Can you imagine if the perp spit on it like some men tend to do as a habit. And it just laid out there in the open all this time.

 

[UltraViolet4545]

Now that LE has recovered footage from NG nest cam, they are asking neighbors to look through their security cameras from several weeks back. Maybe because LE has more video they haven’t released of mask guy from a previous visit.

Why would mask guy show up to NG house more than once? Well maybe the last time(s) didn’t work out for what they intended.

The gun really stands out to me. It looks ridiculous. It’s right there in front like they want to terrify NG and make sure she sees it.

It sounds like home invasion robberies are basically nonexistent in NG neighborhood.

So why would someone show up more than once, with an obvious weapon, and not intending to rob NG? Well maybe they only meant to frighten her. Maybe this whole thing started out to cause anxiety and fear but NG fell, or had a cardiac event and passed. Mask guy panics. No harm was supposed to come to NG! He hauls her body out of there and dumps it.

Ok, so who might want to frighten NG like this? To what end? Maybe to scare her out of living alone in that big house. Maybe she was needing a lot of help and local family was tired of it, maybe they wanted her to sell the house because they need money.

LE keeps circling back to a certain family members home which, to me, says they are suspicious of something. Maybe neither one is mask guy, but they paid a 3rd person. LE is trying to figure out who that 3rd person is because that’s the weakest link to this whole situation.

Those 2 won’t talk, and putting pressure will only make them lawyer up. The digital trail doesn’t have any slam dunks. NG could be anywhere. Therefore, they really need to figure out who that 3rd party is.

This is a little disjointed but I’m talking through my thoughts. All MOO.

 

[Kazrael]

New ideas:

1) Perp used the side of his fist to block camera because he was about to knock on the door when he noticed the camera, so he shifted his fist to quickly block it while he gathered his thoughts (something about the camera surprised him).

2) Perp didn't care that HE was on camera, but still needed it blocked/disabled. Why? To hide video of him leaving. Or video of someone else arriving.

Why hide video of him leaving? Because maybe he was leaving with a dead body that would undermine the kidnapping farce? Or there was some other aspect of the departure that he didn't want on camera?

So maybe he tried to cover it up with a plant, and when that failed, pulled the entire camera off.

Edit. Or he wanted it covered so that when he knocked, NG wouldn't see anything if she checked the camera.

This is what has been on my mind when seeing the video. It was odd, to me, the way he covered the camera lens. You would think you would just use your palm or fingers. However, if he was in mid knock then the strange way he blocked does make sense. If you watch the video it really does seem he was going for the door, looking to the left of it first (looking through the sidelight?). He then raises his hand as if to knock (actually pound) on the door then seems to notice the camera. He actually steps to his right. After covering the camera you can see his left hand do something. At first his left hand is wide as if to grab the doorbell then changes his mind and it really looks like he presses the doorbell. That doesn't make sense. Its between eight and ten seconds of the video released. His left hand presses on something below the lens. The doorknob is clearly seen and not what he is touching.

For some reason after manipulating the doorbell he decides to turn around and find the plant etc.. Unfortunately we don't have video if the camera comes off while the he is holding the plant over it or something else happens. Not having sound also leaves a gap in possibly knowing what is going on. Of course the intention of the released portion of the video was possible recognition of the person and not what he is doing.

 

[Tutter]

I don’t know where you live, but here in Los Angeles, this is incredibly common. Any warm climate tends to have a large population of unhoused people. Many of those people have severe drug addiction issues or mental illness, and they wander around at night. I have had two separate instances at my house, which is in a nice and safe part of Los Angeles. I had a woman come to my front door at 2:30 AM. And I had a man wandering around my backyard in the dark at 9 PM one night. Both on camera. There was no attempt whatsoever to enter my house either time.

They are mostly harmless. Unfortunately, it’s just part of living in a warm climate with a population of people who refuse housing at every opportunity.

I’ve lived in many places, mostly east coast. Now I’m in a pretty small town where you can leave your doors unlocked. I do not. I don’t want any person I don’t authorize in my yard or on my porch, especially in the middle of the night. Harmless or not.
I used to walk past a yard (on the sidewalk) that had a camera that loudly announced ‘hi, you are on camera’. I found in it annoying, but I am seeing the value of that now.

 

[joe jones]

I wonder if that rug was pulled for evidence (fibers, etc.) or if it just sat there for days.

sat there for days with the foliage on it whilst media went up her path and photographed it along with the blood

 

[SaraSmile]

Possible but why would they need to go around the front rather than just opening the door from inside? Not saying it’s a dealbreaker but odd.

It looks like they forgot about camera, but it could have been their “job” to dismantle. thus extreme disguise,
So the person, people inside( entered back door), could bring NG out undetected ( sorry).
Just another thought.

JMO

 

[joe jones]

This is what has been on my mind when seeing the video. It was odd, to me, the way he covered the camera lens. You would think you would just use your palm or fingers. However, if he was in mid knock then the strange way he blocked does make sense. If you watch the video it really does seem he was going for the door, looking to the left of it first (looking through the sidelight?). He then raises his hand as if to knock (actually pound) on the door then seems to notice the camera. He actually steps to his right. After covering the camera you can see his left hand do something. At first his left hand is wide as if to grab the doorbell then changes his mind and it really looks like he presses the doorbell. That doesn't make sense. Its between eight and ten seconds of the video released. His left hand presses on something below the lens. The doorknob is clearly seen and not what he is touching.

For some reason after manipulating the doorbell he decides to turn around and find the plant etc.. Unfortunately we don't have video if the camera comes off while the he is holding the plant over it or something else happens. Not having sound also leaves a gap in possibly knowing what is going on. Of course the intention of the released portion of the video was possible recognition of the person and not what he is doing.

I have thought he may be under the influence of drink or drugs, just so weird to use plants to try to cover camera when he had a backpack packed with stuff on his back which might have had something in to conceal cameras,

 

[tkcrockett]

It looks like they forgot about camera, but it could have been their “job”, thus extreme disguise,
So the person, people inside( entered back door), could bring NG out undetected ( sorry).
Just another thought.

JMO

Yes. That’s what I’m thinking too but still so odd

 

[Deleted member 272706]

Can you imagine if the perp spit on it like some men tend to do as a habit. And it just laid out there in the open all this time.

Drool from the mouth light.

 

[auburnmomof2]

In my opinion couldn't the foliage have DNA from the mouth of the perp breathing and possibly spreading spit? I mean people, myself included, wear face masks to prevent spreading germs when sick.

 

[RayVon]

I am still thinking about NG being confronted by that masked figure in her bed having been woken up, it is horrifying to think of what she must have gone through, and the terror it must have instilled in her children when they showed them the video to see if they recognized the masked man, it certainly sent shivers up my spine and made me check my doors were locked securely at night

I would freeze in fear knowing that there was no way that I could escape. Paralyzing terror. If they picked me up off my bed wrapped in blanket, I would fight back. In my condition, I could be easily restrained, carried out the front door and placed in a vehicle. JMO

 

[SaraSmile]

Tucson is a very special city. We’ve stayed many times at a small, old resort in NG’s part of town, which is in the mountains overlooking the city. It is a beautiful area. People are friendly. There is a common love of land and sky. People work together to live responsibly in the desert. It is a spot of blue in red Arizona. These are simplifications but just had to put my 2 cents in. If you don’t know Tucson or the desert you may not be able to understand the love and beauty there.

I, too, have grown to love AZ. Fantastic sky, sunsets, huge mountains, the desert is very serene.
Very Beautiful.

JMO

 

[Wishbone]

Seems to me - and I know nothing- that the camera porch guy may not have been trying to get in the house. Perhaps two bad guys are involved. Both, perhaps, went in back and did whatever they did in the house. In my scenario, porch guy came out to front to meet bad guy 2 and help remove Nancy from the house. Forgot the camera was there and then had to deal with it. Backpack could be full of “stuff” from inside - not full of burglary/kidnap tools. Thoughts?

IMO it makes the most sense that the camera was removed so that NG could be brought out of the house without being caught by video. Kidnapper must have entered house earlier from another location. JMOO

 

[Strangeworld]

Exactly, so why is he there! My spider senses are tingling on this one

And this was at AG's house where he was interviewed and talked about the premonition wasn't it?

I'm not going to venture that he is involved, but interesting how he kept saying it was 'very well done' and 'very very well done'

 

[No it's not]

The things, that make you go hmmmm..

We all have experienced cases, were it looked like a mastermind had been behind it only to eventually realize it’s was quite the opposite. Sometimes things seem to be arranged to look a certain way and sometimes they are just happenstance.

So, what do we have here? Let’s revisit.

Starting with a photo from FOX news, from February 6th, marking the damaged and intact floodlights on NG’s property. The damaged floodlights are installed on the4 main house in close proximity to each other leading to the courtyard.
Photograph by Fox News, 02-02-2026

In this photograph from WBTV we see an open gate, which is located between the guesthouse and the main house. In most of the other aerial videos including GoogleEarth that gate is closed. I therefore assume the gate is usually closed or most likely closed during the night. This is also one of the intact floodlight locations:

Photograph by WBTV

In Brian Entin’s first video (02/04) he is interviewing two retired FBI agents and confirms a forced entry into the house. We I know about a back door/sliding door (?) possibly being the forced entry location. It has not been confirmed whether or not the subject entered through that location.

Next, we have been told by the Sheriff, that NG had been dropped off by a family member. She supposedly entered the house through the garage door. In this photograph we see the open garage and also the gate leading into the courtyard. Notice the 2 steps and the floodlight above (!). That floodlight did not appear to be damaged:

Photograph by FOX Flight Team

So, we have 2 floodlights that are damaged and 2 floodlights, which seem intact. The first 2 floodlights are close to the roof of the main house. The other two are located above the steps leading to the gate (courtyard) and on the corner of the main house to the left looking at the main entry in the front of the building.

So why damaging the floodlights illuminating the courtyard and not crushing the floodlight in front of the gate or the floodlight on the corner of the main house? Leaving the corner floodlight to the left of the main entry intact can be explained by not really playing a role of either tripping a camera or illuminating the subject’s way of entry.

Leaving the floodlight in front of the gate intact begs the question why? There is no camera, that can be tripped. If the subject planned on entering via courtyard and through the back door/sliding door (?), would that gate not be the access of choice? It does not seem that high. Backpack over and you are in.

Well, then we have to also consider the two (pairs) of floodlights dangling down from the wall. It looks to me like someone went on the roof and either tried to step on one of the floodlights - they broke- and then tried climbing do own. From the roof stepping in the second floodlight..and they broke as well. Really? Someone would be that sporty tho climb on the roof - or parked their pickup truck close to the garage to get up there - but they are not sporty enough to get down?

And then we have the recently released video of weedy lantana man wearing a fully packed backpack and he is trying to obscure the doorbell camera with some plants after already being recorded. Who does that?

So wee have Mr fully-packed-backpack-lantana-man getting sporty now and trying to get on the roof after realizing the front door may be a no-go trying to get into the courtyard while possibly braking the floodlights? Or did he break the floodlights after getting into the courtyard via the gate after possibly already being recorded? Who does that?

All of this makes no sense. A pre-planned home invasion or a pre-planned kidnapping would absolutely involve more preparation than to pick some flowers trying to cover the doorbell cam..And yet, removing the doorbell cam would insure not to see the condition NG was in, when possibly taken out that front door. In case they never intended to handing her over back to the family..just saying. ALL IMO of course.

Who does that..? Unless this is all smokescreen and they knew exactly what they were doing, why they were doing it and to whom they were doing it to.

All IMO

Cheers,
Nin

 

[shonyakay]

I think anyone of us on Websleuths would have done a better job collecting evidence and securing the scene.

I like that confidence.