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In all honesty, I'm super happy for any success my siblings achieve, but I've met people who are probably jealous. I've been jealous of friends before. However, that's a huge leap to murder, especially since it wouldn't fix the motive of overcoming the jealousy that caused the crime. Any financial reward would be a long time coming. MOO I don't get any family involvement vibes. From the little I can glean from Savanna's public presence is that they are a really loving, functional, and close family.
Agree. Hard to imagine who did this crime and what on earth their motivation was. LE has spent a lot of time at AG's house and in the outside areas around AG's property as well as in AG's neighbors' property, and from an earlier poster, it sounds like LE is looking for a phone near AG's property as well. MOO
 
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The Walmart Special "Cheap" Gearing - Habit or Disposable Blending?


So a lot have been made of the gear we have seen in the only Nest footage of the suspect. It struck out as a bit amateurish and thrown-together but upon further investigation it was generic and cheap (Ozark Trail Walmart back pack $15, Cheap vinly pistol holster $5, possible walmart jacket, nitrile gloves, etc.)

There are amateurish signs about it - the reflective stripes on the backpack, the cumbersomeness of the gloves in a situation where you can't afford to be that--especially with a gun. The liability of a cheap mismatched holster when you can't afford to risk your life on that. The liability of a cheap back pack rupturing and spilling your "kit" into the night on your big score. These are poor operational choices. They could also be more stealthy as well.

Now while they are poor operational choices, they are generic and disposable. If he bought them with cash at Walmart, spread them out at different locations and reasonably disguised himself (hat/sunglasses) reviewing any footage/purchase receipts would prove much more difficult. It's almost like some crazy person's version of being "gray man" (blending).

Or was it just the habit of someone - a younger person on a budget, a landscaper or worker--who are used to getting practical affordable options and in their amateur mindset this qualifies as a stealthy, effective get-up? I often say that this get-up looks to me like something was lost in translation? With try hards they go the other way (Ka-Bar marine knife, style over substance tactical gear, etc.) Now with this it's just odd, cheap and impractical while being effective enough to get lucky. I've said I've seen things like this in third world conflict zones (where you see sporty stuff like nikes, combined with mil surp and thrown together). Maybe it's also a skewed or altered mindset (autistic, mentally ill, drugs?) Or it's just low income practicality in an amateur that overrides that tell.


Now behaviorally, it reinforces the amateur/off angle (casually using the latanas flowers, not anticipating a doorbell cam, using a saliva transferring mouth light) but the outfitting certainly stands out.
because I just realized i cropped the prices, for reference these were like $22-$28~

so a very cheap discardable get
 
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Anyone familiar with uploading pictures? Just curious what information would be traceable if the perp uploaded a picture or video of Nancy to another website and wouldn't it be likely the could scrub the video or picture or all its identifiable properties?

Like I'm questioning why the perp wouldn't use any old website where you can post videos or pictures.
It gets complicated. The EXIF metadata associated with the photograph can be easily removed. (The metadata includes camera/phone type, shutter speed, ISO, potentially location, etc.) A public website like Flickr or Instagram will also your record browser details (which can include operating system), IP address, etc.

If you know what you’re doing, you can work your way around these things with the right software, including VPNs and anonymisers, but it’s a risk.

And after all that, there could be something about the content of a photograph itself that gives away information.

It’s safer to transmit some information by text that would likely have come from NG herself and could be verified by her children. The absence of that type of information in this case (as far as we know) is significant.
 
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He appears to be carrying coveralls like painters wear, and something the shape and size of a paint roller.
Going back the the images released by the FBI, the pants he has on appear to have integrated shoe covers!

Edit: The FBI needs to be prioritizing finding the guy in the TMZ Ring video!
 
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AG took much of her social media and websites down or made them private so its tough to find but I did read some of it a few weeks back and it was very morbid.

I don't think morbid writing is a reliable indicator of real-life actions. Without something more concrete, it feels beside the point here, IMO. I'd hate for someone to look at my darker writing and treat it like 'evidence' about something tragic in my family.
 
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Pima County Sheriff on theories a Gutherie family member is involved:“The family has been fully, 100% completely, whatever we asked for they’ve done.” "You can’t accuse people of a horrific crime like that and not have any facts behind it.’

But in the same interview the Sheriff did tell me so far no one has been officially or at least publicly ruled out.


 
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The information about the contract with the Florida lab is quite pertinent.

Why would they use Quantico instead of their go-to lab?
FBI CODIS has limited DNA markers. They try to match with someone in CODIS.
Also, they can't do Investigative Genetic Geneology.
 
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Before they said goodbye on the afternoon of Jan. 30, Ms. Guthrie checked with one of the players, Anne Burnson, making sure that they were still on to watch church at a friend’s house on Sunday. Their ritual was to gather in the friend’s den and watch a recording of the Manhattan service that Ms. Guthrie’s youngest child, the NBC host Savannah Guthrie, had attended earlier that morning. They even had wafers and grape juice on hand for communion.

But Nancy Guthrie, always punctual, did not arrive at 11 a.m. on Feb. 1. Her friends texted, then called. They contacted Ms. Guthrie’s older daughter, Annie, who rushed to Ms. Guthrie’s home. It was empty.

Now, nearly two weeks after Ms. Guthrie’s disappearance, which the authorities have said they are investigating as an abduction, her friends and family say they are refusing to give up hope of finding her alive.

With the search for Ms. Guthrie in its 13th day, her closest friends — some speaking publicly for the first time — are trying to avoid fixating on the ominous details. They know about the blood found on her doorstep, the masked figure with a pistol caught on her doorbell camera, the discarded black gloves found by investigators scouring the desert.

“I keep thinking about every time I’d go in the kitchen door, and she’d be sitting there at the counter, just how her eyes would always light up as soon as she saw me,” said Ms. Burnson, who has been friends with Ms. Guthrie for 42 years. “That’s when you know you have a real friend.”


 
  • #26,731
In all honesty, I'm super happy for any success my siblings achieve, but I've met people who are probably jealous. I've been jealous of friends before. However, that's a huge leap to murder, especially since it wouldn't fix the motive of overcoming the jealousy that caused the crime. Any financial reward would be a long time coming. MOO I don't get any family involvement vibes. From the little I can glean from Savanna's public presence is that they are a really loving, functional, and close family.
Same. I have wealthy siblings and I don't resent that. I'm proud that they're so successful.

As I've said since the beginning, if this was a money grab from family her going missing is the worst way for them to do it as the estate will be tied up for years.

She is 84 with limited mobility, if they wanted the inheritance early there are a million easier way to do that which wouldn't include a nationwide viral story with their every move under scrutiny.
 
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because I just realized i cropped the prices, for reference these were like $22-$28~

so a very cheap discardable get
FWIW, for all the supposed cheap items used by the person in the video, I did not get the impression that he was a person living on the street- no holes in clothing, no obvious stains, hair cut, normal weight, etc. FWIW
 
  • #26,733
Her DNA was recovered in her home but they can't say if it was blood. Why not? I hope and pray she wasn't s*xually assaulted.
😢. I hope the stuff in the backpack wasn’t camera and/or video equipment. 😳. Praying it was not. 🙏🙏
 
  • #26,734
FWIW, for all the supposed cheap items used by the person in the video, I did not get the impression that he was a person living on the street- no holes in clothing, no obvious stains, hair cut, normal weight, etc. FWIW
not at all - and definitely NOT what i'm suggesting.
 
  • #26,735
Yeah, this is a guy who's had a lot of local criticism and scandals (including a Federal one) PRIOR to this case. Seems a lot of his dept. hates his guts.

And even PRIOR to knowing this I thought he was a P.R. nightmare with his interviews, press conferences, and handling of this case.
You are correct. You are absolutely correct.
 
  • #26,736
Multiple awards but certainly made very little money from the poetry or music ventures. Her jewellery business has been described invariably as a hobby or a part time business so that doesn't sound like a big money maker either.
So you suspect her of killing her mother because she's not as wealthy as her sibling?
 
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There is so much noise in this case, it is getting annoying.

We need Nancy back.
 
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