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Then why not just leave her at the house?
Possibility she was assaulted or ran from abductors. Fell. Unconscious? Concerned they might be charged with murder so they took her.
 
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Last week, several gloves were found near Nancy's home before being sealed in evidence bags by the Pima County Sheriff's Office, and shipped overnight for testing at a private lab in Florida.

Nearly 16 gloves were collected near her home, and most of them were used and discarded by searchers at the site, the FBI told the Daily Mail.


One of the gloves is different from the rest and appears to match the ones the unidentified masked captor was wearing in the doorbell video captured at Nancy's front porch, the FBI said.

Officials are awaiting confirmation on DNA of an unknown male profile that was lifted from the glove. Results usually takes about 24 hours to come back, the agency added.

So far a glove that was found roughly two miles from NG's house visually looks like the common disposable gloves worn by the Nest suspect. Disposable nitrile and latex gloves are like Hondas on the road and have no distinguishing visual features.

It's crazy to say yeah, it looks like the glove the suspect wore when the suspect wore the most common of disposable gloves that are indistinguishable

Unless there is more (NG blood, hit to DNA inside the home) this is very circumstantial at best.
 

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Yes he seemed unprepared for it or thought it had already been disarmed. If you were going to commit a capital crime, I'd think he would have examined the crime scene beforehand. Or perhaps it was a routine B&E which went bad. Or the kidnapping or staging was being done on short notice.

Or he had a WiFi jammer in his backpack and was surprised that the camera was still being triggered (although doorbell cameras still work I *think* if wired into the home and he may not have known that). If I recall correctly, there were (early) reports of next door neighbors having WiFi issues around that time.

Or he cut electricity and it was a battery operated front door camera and he didn't anticipate it.

This is all my layperson's opinion and I admittedly don't know a lot about how these cameras work even though we have a metric ton of them in and around our house, both wired and unwired.

JMO.
 
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Oh, that's a very good point. If NG were alive, taking her through Border Control to Mexico would likely not be a problem. And, it is possible that she may have been alive at that time. Also, going into Mexico from AZ is fairly easy. It's coming back where the agents are much more careful about people in the car. JMO
Good points.
I’m still thinking NG’s body was left somewhere about 5-10 miles away. Far enough to avoid easily finding it, close enough, perp doesn’t drive around much with a DB in car ( Sorry about the DB talk).

JMO
 
  • #30,706
So do I have this correctly???...No sign of forced entry? Is that right? If so, she must have opened that front door and got punched in the face..something similar for that blood to be on the porch.

If this is right...why on earth would she open that door and not call 911??? Just trying to catch up and wrap my head artound stuff.
 
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So do I have this correctly???...No sign of forced entry? Is that right? If so, she must have opened that front door and got punched in the face..something similar for that blood to be on the porch.

If this is right...why on earth would she open that door and not call 911??? Just trying to catch up and wrap my head artound stuff.
LE has not confirmed or denied forced entry and said so specifically.
 
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Or he had a WiFi jammer in his backpack and was surprised that the camera was still being triggered (although doorbell cameras still work I *think* if wired into the home and he may not have known that). If I recall correctly, there were (early) reports of next door neighbors having WiFi issues around that time.

This is all my layperson's opinion and I admittedly don't know a lot about how these cameras work even though we have a metric ton of them in and around our house, both wired and unwired.

JMO.
I've had the same speculation regarding a Wi-Fi jammer. I remember those early reports as well
 
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So do I have this correctly???...No sign of forced entry? Is that right? If so, she must have opened that front door and got punched in the face..something similar for that blood to be on the porch.

If this is right...why on earth would she open that door and not call 911??? Just trying to catch up and wrap my head artound stuff.
I think some people are surmising that entry was made at a different door, most thinking one at the rear.

JMO
 
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So do I have this correctly???...No sign of forced entry? Is that right? If so, she must have opened that front door and got punched in the face..something similar for that blood to be on the porch.

If this is right...why on earth would she open that door and not call 911??? Just trying to catch up and wrap my head artound stuff.

Does anyone know if Nancy owned a gun? I could believe this scenario of her going to the door IF she had a gun.
 
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Well, at least the FBI is picking up all of the trash in the area.
 
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So do I have this correctly???...No sign of forced entry? Is that right? If so, she must have opened that front door and got punched in the face..something similar for that blood to be on the porch.

If this is right...why on earth would she open that door and not call 911??? Just trying to catch up and wrap my head artound stuff.
Perhaps you are knowledgeable about the Minnesota state rep and her husband who opened the door in the middle of the night. (Killer was dressed as LE, but still...). Both were shot and killed. Over-confidence. Never has been a problem. ETC.
 
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The Sheriff is chatty. He gets himself into trouble when he is not concise, and his own opinion gets mixed into the facts of the case. He says there will be no updates, and then gets back out there on camera talking about the case. I take everything he says with less than a grain of salt.

My own thoughts on what happened keep changing, and there is not much information out there for anyone to draw a conclusion. I think there was more than one bad person at Nancy’s house, and I don’t believe the purpose was kidnaping for ransom. I think something may have gone wrong, and Nancy was removed from her home because the bad peoples’ intent did not go according to plan. I think there may have been a pivot, and everything went to sh*t after that.
I agree. I feel like it might have started out as a burglary and she either got hurt or passed away during it (accidentally), so they decided to take her with them.

Then when they saw it on the news and people were asking if there was a ransom note they decided they might as well get money out of it so they wrote at least the first note(s) that had actual intro from her house.

Completely my own opinion.
 
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On the chance that their DNA would be found on her body, maybe decided to move her away jmo
But they seemed to go through such extremes based on lantana man to prevent DNA transfer. More than they did to prepare to break in as it limited his fine motor skills for that. It seemed as though preventing DNA transfer was foremost in their mind in the initial plan.
 
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On the chance that their DNA would be found on her body, maybe decided to move her away jmo
Then that would mean they never intended to return her dead or alive.
 
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Former CNN and NewsNation presenter Ashleigh Banfield has said she stands by her report that TC is being treated by authorities as an alleged "prime suspect" in her disappearance. Banfield made the claim on her podcast, Drop Dead Serious, citing a source who told her that investigators had seized a vehicle belonging to Nancy Guthrie's daughter, AG.

AG is the sister of Today co-host Savannah Guthrie. According to Banfield, the source alleged there was a connection between the vehicle and TC, and that police may be treating him as a "prime suspect" in the case. At the time of the podcast, Banfield said "these are just musings and not evidence," adding that it is routine for family members to be vetted in missing persons investigations.

from: Why Ashleigh Banfield Believes TC is still a prime suspect
 
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I think most people are surmising that entry was made at a different door, most people saying one at the rear.

JMO

The reports early on were saying Forced Entry. Banfield also said her "source" said this. Nanos said he wouldn't confirm if there was Forced Entry.
 
  • #30,718
But that is exactly it, the person decides to rob the property, he makes his entrance, has his little 'flashlight', Nancy is a sleep. He continues looking around at what he could steal. As well as looking at things, he looks at 'photos', he recognises Savannah Guthrie; ah 'bingo', more then just objects to steal. I won't speculate on what happened next.
I’m not even convinced the ransom requests for bitcoin even came from the same guy and it seems unlikely to me that a burglar, only out for loot, would flip to kidnapping. His bumbling nature on the porch doesn’t lead me to think he’s experienced at this. However:

It does seem like he bought everything recently at Walmart for this specific purpose. The fact that there’s zero video footage of him trying to gain access to any other house previously, at least dressed like this, makes me think he came here with intent and that it may be his first time going through with something like this.
 
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It's unacceptable here, too.

Also this glove is 2 miles from her house. Lots of people carry gloves. People who walk their dogs, drug users, people who work in construction. It could be anyone....
Imagine filling a pot hole and getting a visit from the FBI. Oy.

IMO

Edit: It has to be done but hopefully not with an armada.
 
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So far a glove that was found roughly two miles from NG's house visually looks like the common disposable gloves worn by the Nest suspect. Disposable nitrile and latex gloves are like Hondas on the road and have no distinguishing visual features.

It's crazy to say yeah, it looks like the glove the suspect wore when the suspect wore the most common of disposable gloves that are indistinguishable

Unless there is more (NG blood, hit to DNA inside the home) this is very circumstantial at best.
Of course with the Daily Mail, they could be overinflating this find. I don't really know if they mean they found DNA on the roadside glove to match one found at the scene, or just the glove itself matches. Everything about this case is so 'iffy!'
 

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