AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SlimPickens]

Yes but this is the same guy who was not prepared for a camera at the front door and had to pull up a plant to deal with it. So we know he did not do his homework.

We do know that he did enough homework and preparation to both dress the part and successfully execute the crime in which he set out to do, and that he had enough foresight and planning to evade detection and capture up to this point, but we don't know that he didn't anticipate that particular camera. More specifically, he could've anticipated it, and perhaps even knew about it and thought he had disabled it, but the fact that it was still working is what surprised him.

To me, it doesn't look like he really even cared much that it was working, because he didn't exactly flinch or freak out. He was pretty 'ho hum' in trying to ameliorate the inconvenience from what I saw.

JMO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

The perp had a woman that he just abducted in his car. Throwing the glove out the window two miles from the crime scene doesn’t put him in less danger of getting caught while getting away.

This makes me wonder if he couldn't drive properly with the gloves on. Or perhaps he was trying to restrain NG in the vehicle and they got in his way. They seemed thick and awkward. And pondering what would he do with his layers of clothing and shoes? He took great precautions to not leave DNA, but then what does one do with all of it?
MOO

 

[Stunned]

So does this mean that searchers simple discard their gloves as rubbish in the area? That would be totally unacceptable for professional searchers in Australia.

IMO it should be unacceptable for professionals everywhere!

 

[penguinface]

Even if the WiFi wasn’t working (and it obviously was since the video footage we’ve seen was uploaded to Google servers) the doorbell would still have power. In fact the Nest can locally store up to an hour of footage if it looses connection to the internet.

It does appear to have been battery operated as well BUT we know another camera apparently detected motion several minutes after the doorbell had been disconnected so it doesn’t sound like wifi or power could have been cut.

Unless that other camera also has local storage capability. Also WiFi could have been fixed after NG’s disappearance had been discovered.. it’s not like getting someone out at the weekend is beyond SG’s means. I’m not saying the WiFi was definitely disconnected, just thinking aloud some possible ways the facts could still fit if it had been.

JMO

 

[stmichael]

Find the person, interview them, Alibi, etc.

Right, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. CODIS covers what, 7 percent of the US population. Plus degraded DNA etc.
Currently there is no link so the click baity headlines are a bit premature.

 

[VegasGirl35]

I don't either. It was to move her out, in whatever condition she was in. jmo

Same. They needed the fastest route to the getaway car and the front door is a straight shot to the street.

 

[Fargo]

To add another data point, a former CSI on social media said that splattery looking blood area could be caused by blood hitting blood. So, essentially drops hitting a small pool of blood, creating the smaller spatter.

I’ve also heard it looks like medium velocity spatter from other CSIs, so who knows.

I thought it looked more like medium velocity spatter or expectorated blood, but I have to admit that stops hitting drops kind of makes more sense given the location.

There's no information as to whether the front door was open or closed when LE arrived but if someone was carrying NG and paused to close the door any dripping blood drops would land on the ones prior creating a spatter pattern like that. The rest of the drops look like they came from someone moving. IMO

 

[SlimPickens]

To be honest, he was dressed like you see perps dressed in a hundred movies. Hell he was dressed, backpack and all, like the serial killer in BBC’s The Fall. You’re right that any reasonably smart criminal should expect cameras but what little we see of him doesn’t indicate he has any special skill for this that couldn’t be gleaned from a movie or tv show.

We do know that he has a competent enough skillset to invade a home, kidnap a victim without much of a trace (if any) to date, and that he has evaded detection by a literal army of law enforcement for about 15 days so far. This is not a naive or stupid person. Evil, yes, but not a dope.

JMO.

 

[SaraSmile]

Remember the video that was posted a ways back where the expert was thinking the porch guy scenario seemed staged? I can't remember how far back, but I think most will remember it. We talked about it quite a bit. Your comments make me think of this!

Yes, memory only here, someone theorized She was killed, removed earlier ( between 10-2), it was thought, maybe this Porch person was assisting on the staging to look like a kidnapping.

Someone even mentioned putting “blood droplets”, that part seemed far fetched, hard to do.

Good ideas to mull over.

I’m not a believer in this theory, but it was interesting.

JMO

 

[birdbox]

Lol I just wrote about this a few posts above yours!
Sad that we have to start thinking about this.

That is a very good thought, a sad thought, but important to be observant!!

 

[SaraSmile]

What if it also has Nancy’s DNA on it?

Excellent idea! Bingo

 

[jtfolden]

Thanks, so we are just guessing that he somehow removed it?

Yes most people have doorbells with cameras these days? Older people get these things as gifts from the kids and grandkids who insist we use them.

Yes that is what is puzzling about Lantana Man. He is unprepared for a camera at the front door. Despite the fact he is committing a capital crime and could face life in prison or the death penalty. I would think he would do his homework.

Yes, LE have stated the doorbell camera was removed. The mount for it was still on the doorframe until this last week when they finally removed it.

I just don’t think this guy was a mastermind. As I mentioned in another comment, he was dressed like perps in a hundred movies and tv shows right down to the backpack. That doesn’t really mean he knew exactly what he was doing. His bumbling on the porch furthers that theory imo.

 

[EyeCandy]

if they kidnapped her I'd venture to think they tied her hands and gagged her. Could she even be fighting in the car? I don't think that she would have had ability in the car to do much ... could be they threw her in the trunk as well. Gosh awful thoughs

 

[raja]

I’m

Thanks, so we are just guessing that he somehow removed it?

Yes most people have doorbells with cameras these days? Older people get these things as gifts from the kids and grandkids who insist we use them.

Yes that is what is puzzling about Lantana Man. He is unprepared for a camera at the front door. Despite the fact he is committing a capital crime and could face life in prison or the death penalty. I would think he would do his homework.

i think more likely he was surprised that the camera was showing signs it was still working because he thought it had been disabled earlier. JMHO

 

[rosesfromangels]

Yes, LE have stated the doorbell camera was removed. The mount for it was still on the doorframe until this last week when they finally removed it.

I just don’t think this guy was a mastermind. As I mentioned in another comment, he was dressed like perps in a hundred movies and tv shows right down to the backpack. That doesn’t really mean he knew exactly what he was doing. His bumbling on the porch furthers that theory imo.

Right. He was just the hired hand while the “boss” sat comfy behind his computer watching Harvey Levin talk about him.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[birdbox]

yes! as frustrating as this case is, I keep thinking of all the info that has NOT been released (what was found in the house; any additional video recovered; probable cause for warrants; maybe even communication that hasn't been made public) and hoping that the investigation will make sense once it is completed.

That is very true.

 

[Han]

The only thing that I could imagine to explain NG opening the door at a late hour (only to be punched in the nose and led away), is a young woman knocking on her door shortly after NG arrived back home and claiming that a package was misdelivered there and she is there to collect it. That is, it would have to be a nonthreatening-appearing person asking for a moment’s help for an easy to resolve routine problem between neighbors (I.e., package misdelivered).

But I think that the later after 10 pm it got, the lower the likelihood that NG would be responding at the door to help, no matter who it was there.

We are told that NG’s pacemaker disconnected from her app sometime after 2 am.

So in this supposed scenario, they’d have to keep NG there at the scene for hours after the ruse at the front door and the punch in the nose.

I’m still not clear on the disconnect between pacemaker and app. Was it connected all the time from 9:50 until the disconnect after 2 am? OR, did it just not connect at a regularly scheduled time of roughly 2 am. The difference matters.

The pacemaker would not connect unless NG was very close by at a scheduled time such as 2 AM for instance

 

[anonypotomous]

Too many posts like this—I came here looking for not gossip but that seems to be half the posts…

Please report posts like that. @tricia and co are happy to pull the unsubstantiated gossip.

 

[lonetraveler]

IMO it should be unacceptable for professionals everywhere!

I'm having a real uncomfortable feeling about searchers just throwing their gloves away. WTH. Were these searchers LE?

 

[WizPro]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023155530433274289

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"Democratic Rep. Alma Hernandez slammed amateur reporters and internet sleuths for camping outside Nancy Guthrie's home since news broke of her disappearance
(pictured on Sunday)."

How are they interfering with what is going on. There is nothing going on.