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Exactly what I noticed the first time I saw his/her picture, and spoken about before from others. Thin eyebrows, pretty eyes, and one retired FBI I saw asked if the moustache could have been false, painted on. What's creepier are the full face masks available, to change your whole appearance, likely used in movies, but I think that would be expensive, and this perp doesn't seem to fit that kind of profile, to me. MOO What is interesting is the padded costume/attire. Why? Changing body size/ID is pretty smart/devious, and speaks to planning this crime, and not just dropping in for a chat, or to steal anything. Complex for sure. MOO
Yes the more we talk about the layers of clothing, masks, gloves, fake hair, mustache, eyebrows, the more sophisticated it looks.

Yes it does not fit our original profile of Lantana man. Which means we have to change the profile.
 
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But then again, where did they bring Nancy? They had to be organized ahead of time and planned out everything. IMO
How about this? Perp is a teacher who works from home and records zoom classes. Kind of an adjunct professor maybe He lives in an academic rental or his family's vacation home which is in a sparsely populated area because it's winter. Nancy is either there with him alive or has passed and is somewhere in the area where she will have decomposed by spring and cause of death will be unable to be determined. JMO
 
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This is interesting. The left side of the house is where the neighbor said she believes Nancy's bedroom was located. I have read that the first place a burglar usually goes when they burglarize a home is the master bedroom. I guess because most valuables are kept there?

The FBI agents spent time looking at the ground by the stepping stones that trail off to the left. I wonder why?

Edited: To add a picture and a link.

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Interestingly while watching the entire drone video the agents seem to only focus on the Middle/S/W part of the house IE the Middle right part of the house, when standing in front of it. It may also be a follow up CSI after they already processed the left wing.

In the screenshot you posted it looks to me like they are inspecting some kind of “animal” droppings? The one agent to the left runs it trough her fingers (even smelling it..). Just saying.

ALL IMO

-Nin
 
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Why do you think these women would not let the FBI in? To me that would cause immediate suspicion.
I think I can understand their reaction, despite everything. .. and possibly they say ‘despite everything’.

This has been going on for over a month, and I’m getting the feeling that there’s growing intrusion on the lives of those in Nancy’s immediate neighbourhood.
IMO this in-depth investigation, exploration and canvassing should have been done so very much earlier than now.
 
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Right, “removed against her will”, what would be the signs to determine that? Not wanting to leave, so she was forced to. We know she has some mobility issues, but what did LE see (AG too) to know it was a crime scene?
When I asked Google what would be the signs of being removed from your home against your will, no matter how I worded it, I got crazy responses about being abducted by aliens, etc. Good grief.

Logically, I would think forced entry unless the victim knew this person or was somehow coerced or fooled into opening the door, personal items scattered, bedclothes all pulled one direction or off the bed, if she were pulled from the bed, lamps or glassware turned over and/or broken, pictures either on the wall or table tops disturbed or broken. Maybe chairs overturned.

I suspect what they did NOT find is evidence these people searched for valuables. Because robbers tend to snatch draws out and empty them, overturn things, make a horrific mess, unless they know exactly what they're looking for and were it's located.

I don't understand why LE won't share whether there was forced entry or not. Because how they entered the home completely changes what went down. Assuming Lantana Man is not a red herring of some kind, I can't imagine why she would open the door for someone looking like THAT. Even if he said "open the door or I'll kill you", you're way better off inside and behind that locked door. So either she was fooled by a second party or there was forced entry from somewhere. IMO
 
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I think I can understand their reaction, despite everything. .. and possibly they say ‘despite everything’.

This has been going on for over a month, and I’m getting the feeling that there’s growing intrusion on the lives of those in Nancy’s immediate neighbourhood.
IMO this in-depth investigation, exploration and canvassing should have been done so very much earlier than now.
Maybe something else was discovered or a tip called in made them return?
 
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OR, they might have been honest with the family about what scenario they believed was playing out, and advised them not to pay YET but to make the videos and try to get proof of life. If she was really kidnapped, the kidnappers should have continued trying to get paid.

Or she was really kidnapped, the letters were real and NG died. If so, there was no reason to keep communicating and increase the chance of getting caught because of it. It doesn't have to be all one or the other. MOO
IMO even in a scenario where she was kidnapped for ransom and then died, I think the family would've been willing to pay to get her body back if they had some proof that the ransomers did have her
 
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When I asked Google what would be the signs of being removed from your home against your will, no matter how I worded it, I got crazy responses about being abducted by aliens, etc. Good grief.

Logically, I would think forced entry unless the victim knew this person or was somehow coerced or fooled into opening the door, personal items scattered, bedclothes all pulled one direction or off the bed, if she were pulled from the bed, lamps or glassware turned over and/or broken, pictures either on the wall or table tops disturbed or broken. Maybe chairs overturned.

I suspect what they did NOT find is evidence these people searched for valuables. Because robbers tend to snatch draws out and empty them, overturn things, make a horrific mess, unless they know exactly what they're looking for and were it's located.

I don't understand why LE won't share whether there was forced entry or not. Because how they entered the home completely changes what went down. Assuming Lantana Man is not a red herring of some kind, I can't imagine why she would open the door for someone looking like THAT. Even if he said "open the door or I'll kill you", you're way better off inside and behind that locked door. So either she was fooled by a second party or there was forced entry from somewhere. IMO
I remember AB reporting her LE source said a door was kicked in, but I no longer trust anything she says. I don’t think Nancy would have opened the door either, especially seeing the Latana man dressed as he was. I think broken lamp, chair overturned and blood would make LE think it was a crime scene and if her meds/purse were left, she didn’t leave as she normally would.
 
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Maybe something else was discovered or a tip called in made them return?
Agree. While the FBI may be just re-tracing LE's steps from early in the investigation, I think they likely have additional knowledge or an interesting tip or tips that have caused them to re-canvas the area with new questions and with new insights that they are pursuing.

JMO
 
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I remember AB reporting her LE source said a door was kicked in, but I no longer trust anything she says. I don’t think Nancy would have opened the door either, especially seeing the Latana man dressed as he was. I think broken lamp, chair overturned and blood would make LE think it was a crime scene and if her meds/purse were left, she didn’t leave as she normally would.
The way LE initially described the scene was a bit chilling. JMO

Per this article, the Pima County Sheriff's Office noted on their briefing today that, "disturbing or concerning circumstances were found at the home, prompting homicide detectives to assist in the investigation."

www.tmz.com

'TODAY' Anchor Savannah Guthrie’s Mom Missing

Authorities in Arizona are searching for Nancy Guthrie, the mother of 'TODAY' anchor Savannah Guthrie, who was reported missing under what authorities are calling concerning circumstances.
www.tmz.com
www.tmz.com
 
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I remember someone mentioned one of the neighbors owns a roofing company.

I haven't found a neighbor that owns a roofing company, but rather a child of a neighbor that owns a roofing company. Could be nothin', could be somethin'.

(As always, only my opinion)
 
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How about this? Perp is a teacher who works from home and records zoom classes. Kind of an adjunct professor maybe He lives in an academic rental or his family's vacation home which is in a sparsely populated area because it's winter. Nancy is either there with him alive or has passed and is somewhere in the area where she will have decomposed by spring and cause of death will be unable to be determined. JMO
Snow birds are in Tucson for the winter. People tend to vacation in Tucson in the winter. Summer is unbelievably hot, IMO.

But, nonetheless, the perp may have done this alone and be a loner who lives by himself and doesn't intereact with people much at all. Might work remotely or in a job where he doesn't interact much.

JMO
 
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Agree. While the FBI may be just re-tracing LE's steps from early in the investigation, I think they likely have additional knowledge or an interesting tip or tips that have caused them to re-canvas the area with new questions and with new insights that they are pursuing.

JMO
I dont think the perp is still in Arizona. Just a gut feeling. At least he's not close by. Like Elvis, the stalker has left the building. Everyone in Arizona whether they are sleuthes or not are, i am sure, is a bit more hyper-aware that the perp could walking around. They might think they see something and call it in. SOOOOOO, i say he's in Colorado or something. People in Colorado dont expect they might see him in the local 7-11 buying a slushy. Plus, there's really not much to go on anyway. He's not wearing his backpack and sporting a bite lite in polite society..

So yes, he could be anywhere but if your neighbor in Arizona disappeared for a day you might take note. If your neighbor in Colorado is away, you probably would NOT tie it in. Plus, considering the season, he already has a ski mask for Colorado recreation. JMO
 
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I haven't found a neighbor that owns a roofing company, but rather a child of a neighbor that owns a roofing company. Could be nothin', could be somethin'.

(As always, only my opinion)
That might be it, I just don’t remember exactly who it was that mentioned it.
 
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I dont think the perp is still in Arizona. Just a gut feeling. At least he's not close by. Like Elvis, the stalker has left the building. Everyone in Arizona whether they are sleuthes or not are, i am sure, is a bit more hyper-aware that the perp could walking around. They might think they see something and call it in. SOOOOOO, i say he's in Colorado or something. People in Colorado dont expect they might see him in the local 7-11 buying a slushy. Plus, there's really not much to go on anyway. He's not wearing his backpack and sporting a bite lite in polite society..

So yes, he could be anywhere but if your neighbor in Arizona disappeared for a day you might take note. If your neighbor in Colorado is away, you probably would NOT tie it in. Plus, considering the season, he already has a ski mask for Colorado recreation. JMO
More questions for you because I’m curious - Does your stalker live alone? What do you think his occupation might be? Approximate age? He could have taken time off of work and said he had vacation plans?
 
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I dont think the perp is still in Arizona. Just a gut feeling. At least he's not close by. Like Elvis, the stalker has left the building. Everyone in Arizona whether they are sleuthes or not are, i am sure, is a bit more hyper-aware that the perp could walking around. They might think they see something and call it in. SOOOOOO, i say he's in Colorado or something. People in Colorado dont expect they might see him in the local 7-11 buying a slushy. Plus, there's really not much to go on anyway. He's not wearing his backpack and sporting a bite lite in polite society..

So yes, he could be anywhere but if your neighbor in Arizona disappeared for a day you might take note. If your neighbor in Colorado is away, you probably would NOT tie it in. Plus, considering the season, he already has a ski mask for Colorado recreation. JMO
Does he have any ties to anyone in AZ? Specifically anyone known to Nancy or living nearby? How long has he been stalking S/N?
 
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Indeed, what would be just plain cruel at worst is if the FBI had a grieving, desperate family publicly beg a kidnapper based on what was in those letters while they secretly questioned their authenticity.

That wouldn't happen. And that's why the ransom demands were real and directly related.


All of us are obviously only theorizing, since none of us actually know the truth of what has transpired.

But one issue I have is that the Guthrie family did beg, and said they WOULD pay, and yet there is no Nancy.

This IMO suggests that the ransom was a) inauthentic or b) authentic but NG had passed already, and they were trying to finagle the money regardless.

And just plain cruel is what the kidnapper(s) have already proven themselves to be, just by taking her, so personally I expect nothing kindly nor compassionate from them.

Just my opinion, with respect for the opinions of others.
 
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I don't know about Tucson, but in some areas the high end larger home service providers do not want to mess with small home owners any more. They want the high end corporate and business jobs. So home owners are stuck with mid level providers. They have to find new service providers.
I fully agree with the point regarding company turn over for a variety of reasons: retirements, sorry- going coorperate only, burned out on pools and changing careers etc.

Likewise, I agree that even the best established contractors would be medium sized companies. But.... in my area, its still possible to go high end in regards to established contractors and by extension, minimize company turn over, but not avoiding it.

I used such a company once. Recommended by a doctor at my parish after I got creatively hosed down with plumbing "complications" watered down by bad work. One pays a premium for the doc's contractor prescription. They do not advertise, have a modest internet site that does not mention "discounts" or low cost.

But, they had been around for two decades and are water tight- responding fast, and doing things right the first time to code or better, sans creativity. I would not be surprised if they have accounts for SG / NG type clients
 
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Agree. While the FBI may be just re-tracing LE's steps from early in the investigation, I think they likely have additional knowledge or an interesting tip or tips that have caused them to re-canvas the area with new questions and with new insights that they are pursuing.

JMO
I’m wondering if someone’s alibi didn’t line up with what they told LE? Or the camera disconnection/video being erased purposely?
 
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