Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[The Missing Canoe]

That's harsh. She was elderly, but in her right mind. And she had help. There are many, many elderly in the same situation all over the world. But not being able to walk very far didn't mean she couldn't drive a car properly. Otherwise, anyone confined to a wheelchair would not be allowed to do so.

However, the house had been on and off the market a few times and some work had been done on it. She might have been preparing to leave her home, but that's her private decision.

Thank you for this. I’ve been having this reaction every time I hear the phrase “old lady“ thrown about, even by BE. Even when it’s used to make a generalized point, which I totally get, it highlights the non-person status that human beings somehow cross into at a certain age. NG had limitations for sure. She also had a lifetime of experiences and desires and hopes and dreams. Acknowledging her personhood with our language choices is an important way to show respect.

 

[The Missing Canoe]

I mentioned the signal jammer theory to my husband, who is not following the case as closely as I am, and he had already heard about it.l in the news. I’m getting kinda creeped out that word is spreading on the effectiveness of the jammers and how cheap they are

BE video:

 

[caplaw]

I haven't forgotten about him. I don't think the FBI has either. Thankfully.
"Secret Mutilator".
He is the Elephant in the room. Those texts/phone call.
He has ties to Tucson. Has played there.
These satanic bands all have a link IMO.
Dig deeper and you will see. IMO.

Those texts make zero sense. “Did you get the bitcoin. Were [sic] waiting on our end for the transaction”

1. The complaint says Derrick’s conduct is unrelated to the ransom demands and bitcoin address sent to TMZ.

2. If this was truly a ransom attempt by Derrick, the phrasing implies there would have been some prior communication where a bitcoin address was communicated to AG/TC. Otherwise, how would AG/TC even know where to send it.

3. There are two ways to interpret the phrase “Did you get the bitcoin”. One way is “Did you receive the bitcoin you’re expecting; we are still waiting on ours.” Another interpretation is: “Did you obtain the bitcoin; we are waiting to receive it from you.” Those interpretations have VERY different connotations.

4. Derrick is on bond. That’s strategic to let him stay out of jail for now. I fully expect LE is monitoring him closely and occasionally tickling the wire to see who he contacts.

 

[whatzthebuzz]

This fact about blood thinners is something that niggles me .

Someone on blood thinners who bleeds out like we see on the porch tiles doesn't just stop bleeding abruptly, yet the trail of blood was not continuous ,it was localised to one area . Why ?

It is my opinion Nancy died of fright / heart attack induced by anxiety. Now maybe I think that as its more of a comfort to me instead of visual imaginings of her being terrified over a longer period

So how did the perp inhibit the blood from trailing the whole way across his route with nancy to the vehicle?

Something is not adding up imo

BBM - yeah, same here.

She also could've bled internally depending on the situation.

Maybe the blood was localized because she was put down for a minute, and then carried in a different fashion.

My heart so goes out to this family. I hope they can get a sense of closure with this at some point, but I don't know, how do you ever find closure in a situation such as this?

JMO

 

[Katrinepa]

I think we all agree that NG was removed from the home against her will. And that there was a struggle with an injury to NG. We are just trying to figure out where the initial injury took place. How the crime unfolded.

It's obvious that Nancy is no longer with us. Her body may not be recoverable, but I hope LE can find Proof of some kind, as well as an arrest The public has no access to the interior of Nancy's house, where I am sure there is plenty of evidence. Whoever did this looks unprepared, to say the least, at the front door, picking Lantana/Parsley, Marajuana(LOL), and holding it up to the camera. Strange weirdo, and after he/she got inside, it became a sh*t show.
Planned to a degree, but unprepared for the details/possible situation inside. Just MOO.

 

[buffalogal]

... maybe she doesn't think she needs to since they don't have a warrant. JMO.

She would be right. It doesn't matter why she doesnt want to let any LEO in, she doesn't have to without a warrant. We all want to see the person(s) responsible brought to justice and Nancy returned, but not at the expense of anyone's Constitutional rights.

 

[Periwinkl3]

Has it been divulged whether NG kept a firearm in her house?

 

[submarine7]

Has it been divulged whether NG kept a firearm in her house?

We have not been informed she had one. OT, but I watched some LE discussing this recently and they said a shotgun is the best weapon for protecting yourself.

 

[su5ie]

Regarding porch perp using the lantana plant


Lantana is toxic and can cause breathing difficulties, and can cause extreme burning and inflammation of the eyes on contact with the sap

Why risk this ?

because he used it on the Nest cam , if sap leaked , could Nancy have come in contact with it either from perps gloves or some other way
if it caused her breathing difficulties, she could aspirate blood because of the blood thinners hence the blood in the position it was .

Does it suggest the perp was unfamiliar with the flora of the area or that he knew the plant was toxic

He also had a torch in his mouth ,so removal of outer glove would have to happen before he removed it so as not to intoxicate himself accidentally???

 

[stmichael]

We have not been informed she had one. OT, but I watched some LE discussing this recently and they said a shotgun is the best weapon for protecting yourself.

I would agree, but for an elderly lady in NG's condition a smaller gauge like 20 for less recoil. Shooting buckshot with a typical 12 ga and a hardstock might bang up her shoulder and knock her off balance.

A 12 ga w/ double aught buckshot (HD length barrel) would be the best single HD firearm for a newb I'd recommend and the single best deterrent and alarm one could invest in is a decent size protective dog that alerts.

In any case there was no indication in this investigation that NG had any firearms in the home.

 

[SherryLock]

She would be right. It doesn't matter why she doesnt want to let any LEO in, she doesn't have to without a warrant. We all want to see the person(s) responsible brought to justice and Nancy returned, but not at the expense of anyone's Constitutional rights.

That's true, the neighbor does not have to let LE in without a warrant and that is her Constitutional right.

But on a human level, I personally struggled to understand why anyone would refuse to help out in a case like this. If nothing else, cooperating with LE might eliminate some question marks for them and allow them to move on and use their resources where they're actually needed.

But when I thought about it, there could definitely be logical reasons. For ex:

- Resident distrusts authority/LE in general, due to past experience. For ex. fears any info. found could be twisted and used to unjustly implicate them, due to public pressure on LE to find a culprit or other reason.

- Someone in particular involved in this investigation already disrespected or subtly threatened Resident and destroyed her trust and goodwill with LE.

- Resident is at their wits end from having their life severely disrupted in various possible ways, from the ongoing traffic, reporters, spectators etc. near her home and doesn't want to do anything to participate in it or encourage more of it. For all we know, she could have had weirdos peeking in her windows or even called an ambulance or police for someone in her home and had them delayed/blocked by all the commotion.

- Resident has something to hide, having to do with this investigation

- Resident has something to hide, aside from this investigation

- Resident fears being dragged into serious, life altering drama re the media, social media or in court.

Just my thoughts. MOO

 

[stmichael]

That's true, the neighbor does not have to let LE in without a warrant and that is her Constitutional right.

But on a human level, I personally struggled to understand why anyone would refuse to help out in a case like this. If nothing else, cooperating with LE might eliminate some question marks for them and allow them to move on and not waste resources.

But when I thought about it, there could definitely be logical reasons. For ex:

- Resident distrusts authority/LE in general, due to past experience. For ex. fears any info. found could be twisted and used to unjustly implicate them, for ex due to public pressure on LE to find a culprit.

- Someone in particular in this investigation already disrespected or subtly threatened Resident.

- Resident is at their wits end from having their life severely disrupted in various possible ways, from the ongoing traffic, reporters etc. near their home and doesn't want to do anything to participate in it or encourage more of it. For all we know, she could have had weirdos looking in her windows or even called an ambulance or police for someone in her home and had them delayed/blocked by all the commotion.

- Resident has something to hide, having to do with this investigation

- Resident has something to hide, aside from this investigation

- Resident fears being dragged into serious, life altering drama re the media, social media or in court.

Just my thoughts. MOO

People get jammed up inadvertently all the time, be it with IRS, permit/building inspectors, and other gov agencies. Unfortunately it's a thing which is why we have checks and balances. A lot of innocent people, sometimes rightfully, don't want to let the man in to avoid it.

 

[SMK777]

I fully agree.

If the potential GF was not willing to talk for moral motives, a million dollar reward can well trigger a:

- "You really, really, need to check my now ex BF. No- I had nothing to do with it" -or- a

- "My sister's BF suddenly got very excited about the 'Today Show' and the name 'Guthrie'. No, he is not a morning news person- at all. Nor, is he a morning anything. But... my sister cleans high end homes." type motive.

One exception could be if the GF was more than just involved on the fringes. Say, not only gossiped about the name, but also provided a general schedule of her comings and goings? GF now feels that she would be subject to arrest and would never collect the reward?

Possibly, but LE will often grant complete immunity to a friend/girlfriend, etc if it will actually break the case and lead to an arrest of a main player. Perhaps the person is unaware of that.

Or possibly just working up the courage.
We can only hope.

 

[vereb]

That's true, the neighbor does not have to let LE in without a warrant and that is her Constitutional right.

But on a human level, I personally struggled to understand why anyone would refuse to help out in a case like this. If nothing else, cooperating with LE might eliminate some question marks for them and allow them to move on and use their resources where they're actually needed.

We also don't know if they refused to help, just that they talked to the officers from over the wall. They may have answered everything they were asked for all we know. This is from the FBI canvassing the neighbourhood a few days ago and the videos that I've seen of it, they mostly talked to residents on their porch/at the door/at the gate, but were also invited into the house in at least one house.
In one of the videos, a woman wore a (medical) mask while talking to them, so there might be health concerns that make one not want to talk to strangers up close and indoors.

 

[Trino]

I respectfully disagree. PCSD said it was apparent that she was removed from her home against her will. I think there must have been signs of a struggle for them to conclude that immediately. Plus, we know so little about what they found inside, we don't know if they found any blood inside.

While there were reports of blood drops on the front porch, an on-scene reporter confirmed that no blood has been found inside Nancy Guthrie's Tucson, Arizona home. Source: Tucson Today Mar 2, 2026.

New York-based investigative reporter Michael Ruiz has been reporting on the scene. While reporting, he was asked on social media whether blood has been found directly in Nancy Guthrie's house.

Ruiz answered with a simple but direct, "No." He also added, "Blood drops on the front porch and no — would be pretty alarming." Source: Yahoonews. Mar 2, 2026.

 

[SherryLock]

Why was she still licensed to drive a car if she couldn’t “drag “ herself to the mailbox? Surely she would have to pass tests for a driving licence which would include mobility, sight, health issues? Why was she living alone with these mobility issues? How did she navigate every day activities within her large home? JMO

I don't know but she may have been in that gray area between being barely able to still live independently and definitely requiring that huge lifestyle change. I don't know how old you are but I'm at an age where many of us have had to deal with parents' declining abilities.

Quite often, they do NOT want to change the lifestyle they've lived for so many years, and they have a lot of individual rights. It's a tough call as to when it's time to try to force that huge change on them, if they don't want it and may even try to cut you out of their life for attempting it. It can be a very tough situation. Sometimes the adult kids help the parent out more and more or hire people to.

So the gray area can drag on uncomfortably until something happens to tip the scales where there's no going back. For ex., the elderly parent is hospitalized and the medical staff won't release them until more suitable accommodations are found.

Driving is a biggie, as far as independence. NG did take an Uber to her daughter's house and her son-in-law drove her home, so it's possible she did not drive anymore. But sometimes it's better to just quietly let the car stay in the garage anyway, "for when they're feeling better," or "Oops, where DID those car keys run off to?" Or whatever else gets a necessary job done while keeping the peace, out of kindness to an elderly loved one.

If that answers your questions at all.

MOO

 

[Trino]

BBM I dont think she died right away and maybe not at all. She bled. That we know. Blood thinners can cause massive bleeding with even mild trauma. She was the prize. Why would he purposely kill her? She was the conduit to SG! Maybe he toyed with her. Maybe he nursed her back to health. Maybe he now despises her and did her in. He received the attention he craved from SG but he might want that continued exposure to flesh of her flesh. Or lack of medications caused her blood to clot and she had a stroke. I dunno. JMO

NG must have been ultra frightened. Heart attack is very possible. Interesting the culprits did not walk through the blood. That must mean they did not enter the house after taking her.

 

[DizzyB]

This fact about blood thinners is something that niggles me .

Someone on blood thinners who bleeds out like we see on the porch tiles doesn't just stop bleeding abruptly, yet the trail of blood was not continuous ,it was localised to one area . Why ?

It is my opinion Nancy died of fright / heart attack induced by anxiety. Now maybe I think that as its more of a comfort to me instead of visual imaginings of her being terrified over a longer period

So how did the perp inhibit the blood from trailing the whole way across his route with nancy to the vehicle?

Something is not adding up imo

It had been said that the blood trail continued off the porch, down to where there may have been a waiting vehicle. It was not just on the porch.

A reporter from Fox posted an earlier video that they hadn't released yet ('out of respect for the family') which showed that the blood trail continued from the porch further down the driveway/sidewalk. Not a huge amount of blood, same amount and consistency as the drops on the porch, IMO.

 

[wibbleflea]

This fact about blood thinners is something that niggles me .

Someone on blood thinners who bleeds out like we see on the porch tiles doesn't just stop bleeding abruptly, yet the trail of blood was not continuous ,it was localised to one area . Why ?

It is my opinion Nancy died of fright / heart attack induced by anxiety. Now maybe I think that as its more of a comfort to me instead of visual imaginings of her being terrified over a longer period

So how did the perp inhibit the blood from trailing the whole way across his route with nancy to the vehicle?

Something is not adding up imo

There's video showing that the blood trail went down the driveway, and wasn't localised. There was a slightly longer clip (just a couple of seconds longer) but I can't find it now. This is pretty close:

Blood drops visible on the porch of Nancy Guthrie’s home | Fox News Video

Retracing the steps of the armed man in doorbell video released by the FBI, torn flowers are visible on the front porch of the home. (videoDerek Shook for Fox News Digital)

www.foxnews.com

 

[LAhiker]

Regarding porch perp using the lantana plant


Lantana is toxic and can cause breathing difficulties, and can cause extreme burning and inflammation of the eyes on contact with the sap

Why risk this ?

because he used it on the Nest cam , if sap leaked , could Nancy have come in contact with it either from perps gloves or some other way
if it caused her breathing difficulties, she could aspirate blood because of the blood thinners hence the blood in the position it was .

Does it suggest the perp was unfamiliar with the flora of the area or that he knew the plant was toxic

He also had a torch in his mouth ,so removal of outer glove would have to happen before he removed it so as not to intoxicate himself accidentally???

It seems likely that he didn't know lantana is toxic. The way he went back out and grabbed it looked pretty random to me.

I have lantana growing outside my apartment and until now hadn't known it's toxic. When it came up in this thread I sometimes went out and grabbed it to see if it had spikes or was sticky. Maybe that wasn't a great idea. That said, I gather that most of the toxicity comes from ingesting the stuff.

JMO