• #44,021
In a ransom note???!!!
Yes USD would be used because think of it as an international currency. You don't need a bank or middle man like you do to do the conversions from dollars into euro, for example. I ask for the equivalent of 6
million USD in bitcoin. The sender figures that out. I could ask for a payment that is equivalent to 100 Rubles in Russian currency to be paid in bitcoin. It's just the method and the equivalency in the country. Hope my simplistic explanation makes sense. Perfectly logical. IMO.
 
  • #44,022
Yes USD would be used because think of it as an international currency. You don't need a bank or middle man like you do to do the conversions from dollars into euro, for example. I ask for the equivalent of 6
million USD in bitcoin. The sender figures that out. I could ask for a payment that is equivalent to 100 Rubles in Russian currency to be paid in bitcoin. It's just the method and the equivalency in the country. Hope my simplistic explanation makes sense. Perfectly logical. IMO.
K...but the ransom note asked for 6 million USD, no mention of BTC. LE was suspicious of this early on.
 
  • #44,023
Have we had any indication that she has crypto of any kind? I mean, maybe the perps assumed she had it, but we don't know that either. Her husband has been dead for 40 years, and she had to support herself and her children until retirement, with not tons of time to build a nest egg, so this assumption that she's very well off could be quite mistaken.

All her in home care/assistance is very expensive even if she has a long term care policy. Obviously, Savannah can help her if she needs it, but if she's independent, she may be trying to avoid that.

I can't imagine a woman nearing the end of her life, and possibly her money, putting any significant amount of it in something like crypto. MOO
This isn't the old days where people kept money under their mattress. It's ATMs and credit card days, and the perps should have recognized this, assuming their idea was robbery. So, maybe their target was NG. Why? Were the perps the ransom demanders? Somehow there are lingering doubts, especially with the million offered by SG.
 
  • #44,024
We’re basically in the throes of a mass epistemological crisis: people are unable and unwilling to determine what’s real and what’s not. It doesn’t help that the national pastime seems to be mainlining AI slop on social media. So, people believing this case is “staged” isn’t surprising, as incomprehensible and sad as it is.

Lots of media deserves mistrust and scrutiny. The problem is most people’s information literacy is so poor that there’s no discernment about how and where to apply critical thought. Instead, they outsource their thinking to contrarian conspiracists and take pride in “not falling for it” (while to any grounded observer they have, in fact, fallen for it.) MOO (and way off topic).

We’re basically in the throes of a mass epistemological crisis: people are unable and unwilling to determine what’s real and what’s not. It doesn’t help that the national pastime seems to be mainlining AI slop on social media. So, people believing this case is “staged” isn’t surprising, as incomprehensible and sad as it is.

Lots of media deserves mistrust and scrutiny. The problem is most people’s information literacy is so poor that there’s no discernment about how and where to apply critical thought. Instead, they outsource their thinking to contrarian conspiracists and take pride in “not falling for it” (while to any grounded observer they have, in fact, fallen for it.) MOO (and way off topic).
Amen and thank you, @Fata Morgana. I’ll say it again, we have scores of people who believe conspiracies because they don’t live in reality. Whether drug-induced, cult-like ignorance of fact, or false ego of “I’m smarter than everyone. Look at me!” Living in virtual reality, not the real world.
 
  • #44,025
I'm sorry to ask this as I know it has been discussed, but how do we KNOW the perp was in the house for 42min? I understand the time when her pacemaker disconnected from the app - presumably when she was separated from her watch - but what is the "starting time"?
 
  • #44,026
They were outside videotaping their dog at 2:00 a.m.?? I know I read that right, but...

Well, I'm stunned.

jmo

This detail really is very curious.

When I first read that the neighbors videoed their dog I thought they were connecting the dog’s actions to the missing segment on their Ring video. Then I realized that night, while they were filming their dog, they would not have known yet about the Ring video glitch. They discovered that later. What was the purpose in videoing the dog?

On the very rare occaision that my dog gets me up at night, all I want is for him to “do biz” ASAP so I can stumble back to bed. Probably wouldn’t take my phone out with me either. OMO.
 
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  • #44,027
I watched the Brian Entin video, which cheered me up. I think if anyone wants to claim the million dollars, then now is the time, because if you dilly dally too long you are going to lose your window of opportunity.
 
  • #44,028
K...but the ransom note asked for 6 million USD, no mention of BTC. LE was suspicious of this early on.

K...but the ransom note asked for 6 million USD, no mention of BTC. LE was suspicious of this early on.




The original ransom note, believed to be tied to the February 1, 2026, kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie (mother of
Today show host Savannah Guthrie) in Tucson, Arizona, demanded a multi-million dollar payment in Bitcoin.
People.com
Ransom Demand Details:
  • Initial Amount: The first ransom demand, sent to local Arizona TV stations and TMZ, required $4 million in Bitcoin.
  • Increased Amount: If the initial demand was not met, the ransom increased to $6 million in Bitcoin.
  • Deadline: The kidnappers set a deadline of Thursday, Feb. 5, 2026, for the first payment, with a subsequent deadline of Monday, Feb. 9, 2026, for the higher amount.
    1773068130731.webpPeople.com +2
Key Details on the Ransom Notes:
  • Authenticity: TMZ reported that the Bitcoin wallet address included in the original ransom note was verified as legitimate and active.
  • Evidence: The notes contained specific, non-public details about the home where Guthrie was taken and her belongings.
  • Subsequent Notes: As of February 11, 2026, a third note was reported, requesting 1 Bitcoin (valued at approximately $66,000–$67,000 at the time) in exchange for information regarding the suspect.
  • Wallet Activity: A small, mysterious deposit of approximately $152 worth of Bitcoin was recorded in the wallet associated with the ransom notes, according to reports on February 11.
 
  • #44,029
Maybe they wanted her to produce financial statements (savings/bonds etc.)? Open a safe, if she has one and take whatever is inside of value? Why? Because they would demand the money/valuables for her life. MOO
IMO, it's not about money or valuables and just how much worth do you think upper middle class people keep in a home safe? I think you would be surprised. Not all that much. My great grandma's bangle bracelets? Several thousand in cash? The most valuable thing in that house was Nancy Gutherie. And he took her. JMO
 
  • #44,030
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SBM.... I just saw this in another thread. Thank you.
 
  • #44,031
View attachment 651242SBM.... I just saw this in another thread. Thank you.
I really go back and forth on it. But I believe some media said LE confirmed to them the videos were from 2:12am but I can't remember where that came from

Edit: In this article TMZ states it was 2:12am Never-Before-Seen Video From Morning of Nancy Guthrie Abduction, FBI Discounts It

Video taken from Guthrie's front porch the morning of the 1st shows the armed suspect approach the door at 2:12 AM
Edit 2: Found it. New Video of Man with Similar Backpack Shot Just Before Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping

Sources directly connected to the investigation tell TMZ ... that video of the man at Nancy's door was recorded at 2:12 AM -- in other words, he's the person the software detected.
 
  • #44,032
I am looking at all the different theories about what happened to NG. While most seem possible and even plausible, the kidnapping angle does not always quite fit: The relatively late ransom demand, no proof of life, no further communication, no “body” reward claimed (yet), as far as we know, etc..

Furthermore, the appearance of “Lantana Man” on the 2 videos is borderline amateurish, as many have stated. I understand he was able to pull off, whatever his intention was. And yet, we have a workable image of him. It did not seem to bother him, as he was obscured and possibly deemed himself safe. He uses plant material -after looking for something else on the ground to use- to cover the cam lens while seemingly trying to remove the cam. The plant material therefore does not seem to have been part of a plan. He did not bring anything else.

Then we were given a second image of Lantana Man, now without backpack. We are told he came back on two different days/nights, which would include Saturday (1/31) and Sunday(2/01).

Was the entire operation well preplanned? What was the intention of the operation and did it include the kidnapping of NG?

The removal of the bell cam and the use of plant material for cover seems to contradict a plan IMO. This seems like an ad hoc step and an unnecessary risk, unless it was important to the suspect. Why?

The key to unlock this case has to correspond with the key of the suspect locking this case. This case is either complicated to solve or it is simple and yet complex. My opinion of course.

My first theory included religious overtones, as you may recall. Somewhat complicated and yet linear “facts” possible to be solved. Here is my other theory. Simple beginning ending in complexity, emerging parts and difficult to solve:

-Again, AIMO of course-

NG went to dinner at AG’s and TC’s house on Saturday, 01/31, at around 17:32. She was dropped off back at her house and enters through the garage door, which opens that evening at around 21:48 according to the timeline. The garage door closes at around 21:50.

The intruder -no car- arrives at NG’s house (did he watch her leave? Were the other houses occupied or they had dogs?) while NG is still out (between sunset and 21:48) inspects the house and enters the front porch. He checks for lights or movement inside the house (left side panel) and notices the bell cam to the right. He is looking for something to cover the camera lens while possibly trying to gain access through the front door. He uses plant material to cover the cam. The plant material does not work, he aborts his efforts and enters the house via (open? Or unlocked? Or locked?) previously visually inspected back (sliding?) door. In order to do that, he might have had to destroy some floodlight(s) first (if any were still functional). He may have had to access the roof and stump on those lights or a light, pending on which lights were still operable (some may have been broken previously by some roof workers?). That’s why he tried the front porch door first. The cam made him change plans.

He is now inside the house and unpacks bags in his backpack (?). He is looking for valuables. It is close to the time now NG would return. At around 21:50 NG enters the home and gets ready for bed. The intruder is still inside the house, possibly hiding in the bedroom (most likely place to find money, jewelry, safe?). At some point they run into each other. NG gets gravely injured. The intruder either shot NG (noise?) or injured her in a way that would leave evidence on her. NG may have survived that initial attack.The intruder leaves in panic and gets his car (and help?). The car has tarp on the back seat or inside the trunk.

They (singular or plural) enter through the initial access in the back of the house, clean up the scene and remove the front porch bell cam from the inside of the house. NG may still be alive or not any longer, when they carry her out to the car. They leave with NG.

While the initial plan was burglary, it changed quickly when NG and the intruder ran into each other. At that point the intruder either decides to send ransom demands, so it looks like NG is still alive or he hands her over to another group ( which would be equal to paying them?), who are working on the ransom demand. NG’s body would have been taken care of by now in a way that would ensure she would never be discovered.

Once that additional ransoms demands appeared (?), the media explodes and no ransom is paid, a change of plan occurs. The risk is too high. SG now offers additional $ for the recovery of NG. Since NG is unrecoverable (your imagination?) no claim is made.

Thoughts?

ALL IMO

-Nin
 
  • #44,033
I watched the Brian Entin video, which cheered me up. I think if anyone wants to claim the million dollars, then now is the time, because if you dilly dally too long you are going to lose your window of opportunity.
She may not be recoverable..sadly

MOO

-Nin
 
  • #44,034
I am looking at all the different theories about what happened to NG. While most seem possible and even plausible, the kidnapping angle does not always quite fit: The relatively late ransom demand, no proof of life, no further communication, no “body” reward claimed (yet), as far as we know, etc..

Furthermore, the appearance of “Lantana Man” on the 2 videos is borderline amateurish, as many have stated. I understand he was able to pull off, whatever his intention was. And yet, we have a workable image of him. It did not seem to bother him, as he was obscured and possibly deemed himself safe. He uses plant material -after looking for something else on the ground to use- to cover the cam lens while seemingly trying to remove the cam. The plant material therefore does not seem to have been part of a plan. He did not bring anything else.

Then we were given a second image of Lantana Man, now without backpack. We are told he came back on two different days/nights, which would include Saturday (1/31) and Sunday(2/01).

Was the entire operation well preplanned? What was the intention of the operation and did it include the kidnapping of NG?

The removal of the bell cam and the use of plant material for cover seems to contradict a plan IMO. This seems like an ad hoc step and an unnecessary risk, unless it was important to the suspect. Why?

***Truncated by Me***
I agree: If in fact that image without a backpack is the perp on a previous day looking around for opportunities, this really speaks to a complete amateur and makes a random crime much more likely (IMHO). Having been there previously, the perp completely missed that camera and therefore came completely unprepared to block it, or they didn't have the sophistication to do it.
 
  • #44,035
This detail really is very curious.

When I first read that the neighbors videoed their dog I thought they were connecting the dog’s actions to the missing segment on their Ring video. Then I realized that night, while they were filming their dog, they would not have known yet about the Ring video glitch. They discovered that later. What was the purpose in videoing the dog?

On the very rare occaision that my dog gets me up at night, all I want is for him to “do biz” ASAP so I can stumble back to bed. Probably wouldn’t take my phone out with me either. OMO.

The neighbor’s home may have a bedroom slider door with outdoor access to a patio and the yard beyond.

The neighbor maybe grabbing the phone for a light to see the way off of the patio into the yard.

Or to stand on the patio with the phone flashlight to watch the dogs movement in the yard while it does its business.

Since the dog reportedly never wakes them up at night it could be the one who took the dog outside thought its intent alert mode was very cute and interesting so they took a video to show the other still in bed dog parent.



All imo
 
  • #44,036
The original ransom note, believed to be tied to the February 1, 2026, kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie (mother of
Today show host Savannah Guthrie) in Tucson, Arizona, demanded a multi-million dollar payment in Bitcoin.
People.com
Ransom Demand Details:
  • Initial Amount: The first ransom demand, sent to local Arizona TV stations and TMZ, required $4 million in Bitcoin.
  • Increased Amount: If the initial demand was not met, the ransom increased to $6 million in Bitcoin.
  • Deadline: The kidnappers set a deadline of Thursday, Feb. 5, 2026, for the first payment, with a subsequent deadline of Monday, Feb. 9, 2026, for the higher amount.
    View attachment 651235People.com +2
Key Details on the Ransom Notes:
  • Authenticity: TMZ reported that the Bitcoin wallet address included in the original ransom note was verified as legitimate and active.
  • Evidence: The notes contained specific, non-public details about the home where Guthrie was taken and her belongings.
  • Subsequent Notes: As of February 11, 2026, a third note was reported, requesting 1 Bitcoin (valued at approximately $66,000–$67,000 at the time) in exchange for information regarding the suspect.
  • Wallet Activity: A small, mysterious deposit of approximately $152 worth of Bitcoin was recorded in the wallet associated with the ransom notes, according to reports on February 11.
A thousand apologies!!! I was under the impression the BTC demand was made by an individual who knew the kidnappers...oops!!
 
  • #44,038
"I do believe that the sheriff's department has much more information that they are not releasing to the public," she told Fox News Digital. "And I'm not sure at this point why that would be, unless they have a solid suspect and don't want to tip them off."

 
  • #44,039
I am looking at all the different theories about what happened to NG. While most seem possible and even plausible, the kidnapping angle does not always quite fit: The relatively late ransom demand, no proof of life, no further communication, no “body” reward claimed (yet), as far as we know, etc..

Furthermore, the appearance of “Lantana Man” on the 2 videos is borderline amateurish, as many have stated. I understand he was able to pull off, whatever his intention was. And yet, we have a workable image of him. It did not seem to bother him, as he was obscured and possibly deemed himself safe. He uses plant material -after looking for something else on the ground to use- to cover the cam lens while seemingly trying to remove the cam. The plant material therefore does not seem to have been part of a plan. He did not bring anything else.

Then we were given a second image of Lantana Man, now without backpack. We are told he came back on two different days/nights, which would include Saturday (1/31) and Sunday(2/01).

Was the entire operation well preplanned? What was the intention of the operation and did it include the kidnapping of NG?

The removal of the bell cam and the use of plant material for cover seems to contradict a plan IMO. This seems like an ad hoc step and an unnecessary risk, unless it was important to the suspect. Why?

The key to unlock this case has to correspond with the key of the suspect locking this case. This case is either complicated to solve or it is simple and yet complex. My opinion of course.

My first theory included religious overtones, as you may recall. Somewhat complicated and yet linear “facts” possible to be solved. Here is my other theory. Simple beginning ending in complexity, emerging parts and difficult to solve:

-Again, AIMO of course-

NG went to dinner at AG’s and TC’s house on Saturday, 01/31, at around 17:32. She was dropped off back at her house and enters through the garage door, which opens that evening at around 21:48 according to the timeline. The garage door closes at around 21:50.

The intruder -no car- arrives at NG’s house (did he watch her leave? Were the other houses occupied or they had dogs?) while NG is still out (between sunset and 21:48) inspects the house and enters the front porch. He checks for lights or movement inside the house (left side panel) and notices the bell cam to the right. He is looking for something to cover the camera lens while possibly trying to gain access through the front door. He uses plant material to cover the cam. The plant material does not work, he aborts his efforts and enters the house via (open? Or unlocked? Or locked?) previously visually inspected back (sliding?) door. In order to do that, he might have had to destroy some floodlight(s) first (if any were still functional). He may have had to access the roof and stump on those lights or a light, pending on which lights were still operable (some may have been broken previously by some roof workers?). That’s why he tried the front porch door first. The cam made him change plans.

He is now inside the house and unpacks bags in his backpack (?). He is looking for valuables. It is close to the time now NG would return. At around 21:50 NG enters the home and gets ready for bed. The intruder is still inside the house, possibly hiding in the bedroom (most likely place to find money, jewelry, safe?). At some point they run into each other. NG gets gravely injured. The intruder either shot NG (noise?) or injured her in a way that would leave evidence on her. NG may have survived that initial attack.The intruder leaves in panic and gets his car (and help?). The car has tarp on the back seat or inside the trunk.

They (singular or plural) enter through the initial access in the back of the house, clean up the scene and remove the front porch bell cam from the inside of the house. NG may still be alive or not any longer, when they carry her out to the car. They leave with NG.

While the initial plan was burglary, it changed quickly when NG and the intruder ran into each other. At that point the intruder either decides to send ransom demands, so it looks like NG is still alive or he hands her over to another group ( which would be equal to paying them?), who are working on the ransom demand. NG’s body would have been taken care of by now in a way that would ensure she would never be discovered.

Once that additional ransoms demands appeared (?), the media explodes and no ransom is paid, a change of plan occurs. The risk is too high. SG now offers additional $ for the recovery of NG. Since NG is unrecoverable (your imagination?) no claim is made.

Thoughts?

ALL IMO

-Nin
There’s times I think this may have just been about a sick individual that wanted to redrum a person they selected as easy prey…just because of the thrill of the hunt. Apex predator type situation.
Maybe the porch video was an attempt at misdirection to cover up that murder and to set the stage as a kidnapping. Probably not but I’ve definitely thought about that.
 
  • #44,040
On the very rare occaision that my dog gets me up at night, all I want is for him to “do biz” ASAP so I can stumble back to bed. Probably wouldn’t take my phone out with me either. OMO.

I just listened to the Brian Entin video (which was very interesting) and also found that odd about videotaping the dog outdoors in the middle of the night. On the rare occasions that my dog needs to go out at night, I take her out. I do have my phone for safety, but if my dog was reacting to something, I would assume it was a coyote or critter of some sort, and I would be eager to get us both back indoors.

Another thing about the dog instance -- I am guessing in a neighborhood like this there must be a number of families with dogs. Were the other dogs awakened or alerted by anything during the night? I know in my neighborhood, I have heard a sort of barking relay chain with dogs on occasion.
 
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