• #44,041
"I do believe that the sheriff's department has much more information that they are not releasing to the public," she told Fox News Digital. "And I'm not sure at this point why that would be, unless they have a solid suspect and don't want to tip them off."

I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again today that I’m pretty much convinced that they know who the abductors (s) are and that they are still compiling evidence before they move in. They need as much hard evidence as they can get. The day the prosecutors showed up at NG house was the day I started to believe the investigation had shifted in that direction. I’m not saying I’m right, it’s just what I currently believe. There’s no doubt in my mind atm. Moo
 
  • #44,042
I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again today that I’m pretty much convinced that they know who the abductors (s) are and that they are still compiling evidence before they move in. They need as much hard evidence as they can get. The day the prosecutors showed up at NG house was the day I started to believe the investigation had shifted in that direction. I’m not saying I’m right, it’s just what I currently believe. There’s no doubt in my mind atm. Moo
I hope you're right! We could all use some uplifting news at this point.

jmo
 
  • #44,043
K...but the ransom note asked for 6 million USD, no mention of BTC. LE was suspicious of this early on.
No. He wanted the equivalent of $6m USD in Bitcoin and provided only a Bitcoin wallet address in that first ransom note.
 
  • #44,044
I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again today that I’m pretty much convinced that they know who the abductors (s) are and that they are still compiling evidence before they move in. They need as much hard evidence as they can get. The day the prosecutors showed up at NG house was the day I started to believe the investigation had shifted in that direction. I’m not saying I’m right, it’s just what I currently believe. There’s no doubt in my mind atm. Moo
I think if that were true, the Sheriff would not be able to contain himself.
 
  • #44,045
Why does it seem NG was carried? It's possible she was forced to stumble/walk to the front door. Just outside she may have fallen, injuring her head/nose, causing the bleed. (It has been stated no blood was found inside the home.) The criminal got her up again, forcing a stumble to the vehicle.
BBM There's been no offical confirmation of blood or no blood inside the home. (Ashleigh Banfield reported that according to her LE source there was blood inside the home in a similar pattern as on the porch.)
 
  • #44,046
No. He wanted the equivalent of $6m USD in Bitcoin and provided only a Bitcoin wallet address in that first ransom note.
I now realized that, my bad. Nonetheless, why ask for it in USD. LE was very suspicious of this early on. Asking for 6 million in BTC would have sufficed. UNLESS, they are not from this country....JMO
 
  • #44,047
I think if that were true, the Sheriff would not be able to contain himself.
Made me laugh. He’s a funny one, for sure. For all the criticism he gets, though, he has been good about holding back information from the public. We’ve heard about the back door being found open, the blood patterns inside the house (not just the porch), things mentioned in the ransom note and so on, but none of that information has come from the sheriff. It came from leaks elsewhere or from TMZ. So you never know.
 
  • #44,048
I am looking at all the different theories about what happened to NG. While most seem possible and even plausible, the kidnapping angle does not always quite fit: The relatively late ransom demand, no proof of life, no further communication, no “body” reward claimed (yet), as far as we know, etc.. snipped by me.
BBM Ransom note was received approx 36 hours later by TMZ. Perp set the rules. He really didnt care about the money. This was psychological warfare. Look at the frightening outfit and the dangling gun. This was not about money.
Ransom was thrown in for intrigue, discussion, attention and contact. His manifesto, perhaps because we dont know what else was in that/those notes. There was contact just no further communication. Perp was bored with the ransom aspect as that was not his prime motivation.

PROOF OF LIFE? Hey lady, you arent calling the shots! I am. YOU are NOT in any position to negotiate. I took your mother.

JMO
 
  • #44,049
Good morning, I think you've misunderstood what happened. They told LE they got a notice from their ring camera that the wifi in their house was disrupted at around 2am that morning, so it was not an assumption. I don't know if a jammed signal would look "out" to the provider, since it's the signal between the router and the devices that's out. The internet is still reaching the house, so far as I know.

The discussion I heard from Brian Entin's show last night, one of the FBI agents said it made perfect sense to her. The perp would certainly already have the jammer on before he got to NG's house. So, if he passed near their house as he walked to her's he could have interrupted their wi-fi as well.

Thank you, I did misunderstand👍
 
  • #44,050
I am looking at all the different theories about what happened to NG. While most seem possible and even plausible, the kidnapping angle does not always quite fit: The relatively late ransom demand, no proof of life, no further communication, no “body” reward claimed (yet), as far as we know, etc..

Furthermore, the appearance of “Lantana Man” on the 2 videos is borderline amateurish, as many have stated. I understand he was able to pull off, whatever his intention was. And yet, we have a workable image of him. It did not seem to bother him, as he was obscured and possibly deemed himself safe. He uses plant material -after looking for something else on the ground to use- to cover the cam lens while seemingly trying to remove the cam. The plant material therefore does not seem to have been part of a plan. He did not bring anything else.

Then we were given a second image of Lantana Man, now without backpack. We are told he came back on two different days/nights, which would include Saturday (1/31) and Sunday(2/01).

Was the entire operation well preplanned? What was the intention of the operation and did it include the kidnapping of NG?

The removal of the bell cam and the use of plant material for cover seems to contradict a plan IMO. This seems like an ad hoc step and an unnecessary risk, unless it was important to the suspect. Why?

The key to unlock this case has to correspond with the key of the suspect locking this case. This case is either complicated to solve or it is simple and yet complex. My opinion of course.

My first theory included religious overtones, as you may recall. Somewhat complicated and yet linear “facts” possible to be solved. Here is my other theory. Simple beginning ending in complexity, emerging parts and difficult to solve:

-Again, AIMO of course-

NG went to dinner at AG’s and TC’s house on Saturday, 01/31, at around 17:32. She was dropped off back at her house and enters through the garage door, which opens that evening at around 21:48 according to the timeline. The garage door closes at around 21:50.

The intruder -no car- arrives at NG’s house (did he watch her leave? Were the other houses occupied or they had dogs?) while NG is still out (between sunset and 21:48) inspects the house and enters the front porch. He checks for lights or movement inside the house (left side panel) and notices the bell cam to the right. He is looking for something to cover the camera lens while possibly trying to gain access through the front door. He uses plant material to cover the cam. The plant material does not work, he aborts his efforts and enters the house via (open? Or unlocked? Or locked?) previously visually inspected back (sliding?) door. In order to do that, he might have had to destroy some floodlight(s) first (if any were still functional). He may have had to access the roof and stump on those lights or a light, pending on which lights were still operable (some may have been broken previously by some roof workers?). That’s why he tried the front porch door first. The cam made him change plans.

He is now inside the house and unpacks bags in his backpack (?). He is looking for valuables. It is close to the time now NG would return. At around 21:50 NG enters the home and gets ready for bed. The intruder is still inside the house, possibly hiding in the bedroom (most likely place to find money, jewelry, safe?). At some point they run into each other. NG gets gravely injured. The intruder either shot NG (noise?) or injured her in a way that would leave evidence on her. NG may have survived that initial attack.The intruder leaves in panic and gets his car (and help?). The car has tarp on the back seat or inside the trunk.

They (singular or plural) enter through the initial access in the back of the house, clean up the scene and remove the front porch bell cam from the inside of the house. NG may still be alive or not any longer, when they carry her out to the car. They leave with NG.

While the initial plan was burglary, it changed quickly when NG and the intruder ran into each other. At that point the intruder either decides to send ransom demands, so it looks like NG is still alive or he hands her over to another group ( which would be equal to paying them?), who are working on the ransom demand. NG’s body would have been taken care of by now in a way that would ensure she would never be discovered.

Once that additional ransoms demands appeared (?), the media explodes and no ransom is paid, a change of plan occurs. The risk is too high. SG now offers additional $ for the recovery of NG. Since NG is unrecoverable (your imagination?) no claim is made.

Thoughts?

ALL IMO

-Nin
I don’t think it was ever a robbery. I do believe it was preplanned and to remove Nancy, but the reason I’m not sure of. I think the ransom was someone completely different, but how did they know details of the home/watch? That’s where I’m confused. I think the perp is from Nancy’s outer circle somehow, but lives nearby neighborhood or AG’s. IMOO
 
  • #44,051
Probably too late, now, but since the neighbor's dog was the only witness, even though not trained to be a sniffer, LE could've tried to employ it to see if it found a perp trail to the house by smell. jmo They are all great sniffers!
 
  • #44,052
"I do believe that the sheriff's department has much more information that they are not releasing to the public," she told Fox News Digital. "And I'm not sure at this point why that would be, unless they have a solid suspect and don't want to tip them off."

I agree with this. First time (poster) long time (lurker). Local to Tucson and been reading and refreshing this page like mad.
 
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I think if that were true, the Sheriff would not be able to contain himself.
Eh,..I have to disagree with that one. I believe he absolutely would contain himself. I know a lot here may not agree, and I understand why, ..but I do believe he’s trying to do right by Nancy and her family and also his community to find the person that did this. I’ll admit he’s not the best public speaker and is somewhat locally controversial, but he’s not an idiot. He’s been holding everything super close and his investigators/detectives and the FBI are doing the hard work to get this perp off the streets. No way would he let on unless he wanted that information known. Jmo
 
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I agree with this. First time (poster) long time (lurker). Local to Tucson and been reading and refreshing this page like mad.
I want to agree with it because it's a much more comforting thought than LE have nothing to go on and no suspects. I'm not sure that I 100% believe it though
 
  • #44,055
I now realized that, my bad. Nonetheless, why ask for it in USD. LE was very suspicious of this early on. Asking for 6 million in BTC would have sufficed. UNLESS, they are not from this country....JMO
I think it’s just the way people who are familiar with crypto talk. Look at any forum or mailing list. Every subject has its lingo and in crypto (very much a global phenomenon), USD is the de facto term for dollars, GBP for pounds (Sterling), BTC for Bitcoin. It’s really perfectly normal in that world, even for Americans.

There are other BTC-related questions that arise in the event of a paid ransom that might suggest an international angle, but we don’t know what his plan was to convert that cash to fiat currency, if there was ever a plan.
 
  • #44,056
I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again today that I’m pretty much convinced that they know who the abductors (s) are and that they are still compiling evidence before they move in. They need as much hard evidence as they can get. The day the prosecutors showed up at NG house was the day I started to believe the investigation had shifted in that direction. I’m not saying I’m right, it’s just what I currently believe. There’s no doubt in my mind atm. Moo
I do not think that with the possibility, though very slim at this point, that NG is still alive that that they would be waiting to move in.
 
  • #44,057
@OldCop @MassGuy
In your opinion, why is the Sherriff being evasive when asked if the 'door guy' was there on one night or on multiple nights?
To be honest, I’m not sure. When the photo of the man without the backpack, gun, etc. was released and people were guessing if the porch guy was the same person or not, it was right about the same time that Sheriff Nanos said they were not ruling out the possibility of there being more than one person involved. He repeated that again recently.
Nancy Guthrie did not have a subscription service for her doorbell camera and so there wasn’t saved videos in the cloud of anyone on her property at any time except, forensics data analysts were able to extract some limited video from the cloud showing her front porch on the night she was abducted. That had us guessing that the still of the guy without his “equipment” had to be taken the same night because it was from Nancy’s own camera. Then we noticed the difference in the moonlight shadows. The photo of the unarmed man had to be taken on a different night. Are the forensic data analysts now succeeding in extracting older data? Are they asking neighbors for footage on 1/11 and 1/24 because they know he was also casing the property on those nights?
If they do have footage from those nights, have they gleaned information they don’t want us to know but, more importantly, they don’t want the perpetrator to know they know? Is there something that could make the perp get rid of evidence, (his vehicle), or cause him to flee?
I think LE is trying to hide information about their investigation from the suspect which means they have to hide it from us, the general public, too.
 
  • #44,058
First I heard of the dog video until today. The last thing the perp(s) could plan for is a dog alerting the whole neighborhood with it's barking. Could it have possibly made the Perp(s) get out quicker than they wanted to?
 
  • #44,059
Nancy Guthrie did not have a subscription service for her doorbell camera and so there wasn’t saved videos in the cloud of anyone on her property at any time except, forensics data analysts were able to extract some limited video from the cloud showing her front porch on the night she was abducted.
Now I'm wondering if this is true or if LE lied about her not having a subscription. Is it possible they have much more from this camera than what they've reported? How is it possible they detected imagery from two different nights if not from an active subscription? I had thought the service saved only a certain amount of time when no subscription ...
Would LE lie about something like that to protect the investigation?
MOO
 
  • #44,060
I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again today that I’m pretty much convinced that they know who the abductors (s) are and that they are still compiling evidence before they move in. They need as much hard evidence as they can get. The day the prosecutors showed up at NG house was the day I started to believe the investigation had shifted in that direction. I’m not saying I’m right, it’s just what I currently believe. There’s no doubt in my mind atm. Moo
i'm curious to know if prosecutors are called to a house (/crime scene) just as protocol before it's released, or if it does mean that an arrest is being prepared

moo
 
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