Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[FaviousM]

Now I'm wondering if this is true or if LE lied about her not having a subscription. Is it possible they have much more from this camera than what they've reported? How is it possible they detected imagery from two different nights if not from an active subscription? I had thought the service saved only a certain amount of time when no subscription ...
Would LE lie about something like that to protect the investigation?
MOO

I imagine the video is still valuable to Google regardless of a customer having a subscription. Probably use it to train AI models or something like that so the videos probably go to Google's servers, they extract whatever value they can from them before erasing them and it was this 'buffer' LE was able to pull those videos from

 

[OldCop]

First I heard of the dog video until today. The last thing the perp(s) could plan for is a dog alerting the whole neighborhood with it's barking. Could it have possibly made the Perp(s) get out quicker than they wanted to?

RBBM This is very true. B&E guys avoid homes where they know dogs live. This is why people put out “Beware of Dog” signs even if they don’t have a dog. I think unless the perp was familiar with the neighborhood, he wouldn’t really think about a neighbor’s dog out barking in the middle of the night.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I can’t possibly keep up with the threads. When I check in, ten pages have already passed. I am wondering if LE has their suspect and they are compiling evidence, if they have any. If they have someone in mind and no real evidence, it will be a nightmare.
I hate that Nancy can’t be brought home.

 

[OldCop]

Now I'm wondering if this is true or if LE lied about her not having a subscription. Is it possible they have much more from this camera than what they've reported? How is it possible they detected imagery from two different nights if not from an active subscription? I had thought the service saved only a certain amount of time when no subscription ...
Would LE lie about something like that to protect the investigation?
MOO

They might…..

 

[Mistermagoo]

Now I'm wondering if this is true or if LE lied about her not having a subscription. Is it possible they have much more from this camera than what they've reported? How is it possible they detected imagery from two different nights if not from an active subscription? I had thought the service saved only a certain amount of time when no subscription ...
Would LE lie about something like that to protect the investigation?
MOO

They most likely were able to get more footage from the cloud, but they are only showing us what is relevant. Remember, these cameras are only activated with movement, so they probably have other things, like Amazon deliveries, maybe if NG used the front door to go to her mailbox etc... They most likely do not have a lot, but again, they are probably only showing us what they think is relevant to this case.

 

[Former Reporter]

I think if that were true, the Sheriff would not be able to contain himself.

Maybe his PIO finally gagged him?

 

[SUNchips]

Good morning, I think you've misunderstood what happened. They told LE they got a notice from their ring camera that the wifi in their house was disrupted at around 2am that morning, so it was not an assumption. I don't know if a jammed signal would look "out" to the provider, since it's the signal between the router and the devices that's out. The internet is still reaching the house, so far as I know.

The discussion I heard from Brian Entin's show last night, one of the FBI agents said it made perfect sense to her. The perp would certainly already have the jammer on before he got to NG's house. So, if he passed near their house as he walked to her's he could have interrupted their wi-fi as well.

My question is, if they were up at 2am with the dog, did they notice their notification about the wifi being out then and try to figure out why? Or did they not notice (even though they were using their phones at that time, videotaping the dog) until the morning. Weird development. I’m curious if maybe the dog heard a scream that woke him up, which the owners didn’t hear themselves. JMO

 

[ab01]

Nancy Guthrie's neighbors flag camera glitching as experts explain Wi-Fi jamming

FBI investigators reportedly ask neighbors about internet outages during Savannah Guthrie's mother's abduction, sparking Wi-Fi jammer speculation.

www.foxnews.com

…That prompted speculation about the so-called Wi-Fi jammers, which are illegal in the United States under Federal Communications Commission guidelines.

They're not particularly high-tech. And they can be obtained online — which is potentially something investigators could track.

But the fact that the FBI and Google were able to recover video from Guthrie's Nest doorbell camera, when the device was physically missing, and she did not have a cloud subscription, indicates a Wi-Fi jammer may not have been deployed at her front door.

"If they were using Wi-Fi jammers, then I would expect that we would not be able to see any video from the front-door cameras," said Morgan Wright, the CEO and founder of the National Center for Open and Unsolved Cases. "I took a look at some of the videos with the other gangs that use Wi-Fi jammers, and had one been up and running and persistent, you wouldn’t have gotten the clear pictures that we did from the front."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2030035404611801160

Worth repeating imo….

 

[SlimPickens]

Have we had any indication that she has crypto of any kind? I mean, maybe the perps assumed she had it, but we don't know that either. Her husband has been dead for 40 years, and she had to support herself and her children until retirement, with not tons of time to build a nest egg, so this assumption that she's very well off could be quite mistaken.

All her in home care/assistance is very expensive even if she has a long term care policy. Obviously, Savannah can help her if she needs it, but if she's independent, she may be trying to avoid that.

I can't imagine a woman nearing the end of her life, and possibly her money, putting any significant amount of it in something like crypto. MOO

My thoughts are she has 2 ways of being wealthy enough to have 6 million solely in Bitcoin, and one way to actually have Bitcoin. The two ways, likely combined, that she might have 6 million in Bitcoin are:

1. Life insurance policy when her husband passed in the 1980s/90s that has now matured to a significant sum of money.
2. Her daughter makes 40 million dollars per year and could've subsidized a nice nest egg as gratitude (as many wealthy kids do for their parents).

The one way she would have Bitcoin is if her financial advisor purchased it and put it into her portfolio. She could have her own financial advisor, or Savannah could have facilitated that for her (which is what I think). I don't think an 84 year old lady is going to know how Bitcoin works or would be interested in the machinations of it in order to mine/purchase herself.

These wrench attack perps have committed these crimes based on information they have obtained about specific people having specific amounts of Bitcoin. It is frightening that it s possible that someone could gain access to that information, but I suppose anything that can be encrypted can be decrypted if someone is savvy enough. The truly scary part is that these young people purportedly are being managed by someone else - a puppetmaster if you will - who has the kind of skillset to:

1. know the Bitcoin amount the victim has
2. know how to mask him/herself
3. know how to manipulate/coerce others into doing his/her bidding.

With the arbitrary amount of Bitcoin demanded, in conjunction with recent prosecutions and arrests in that part of the country for attempts at this very thing, I am beginning to feel that this is what happened here.

Indeed, It could very well be an online individual or group - either here or in another country - that manipulates/coerces young people via Discord/video game chats into doing their dirty work for profit. Everything fits for me.

JMO.

 

[Mistermagoo]

I can’t possibly keep up with the threads. When I check in, ten pages have already passed. I am wondering if LE has their suspect and they are compiling evidence, if they have any. If they have someone in mind and no real evidence, it will be a nightmare.
I hate that Nancy can’t be brought home.

I just commented on a similar post. I would think that until it is 100% proven that NG in no longer with us, they would not be waiting and compiling evidence.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I find it interesting that when LM approaches the front door, he doesn’t seem to check whether it’s unlocked, which is something I’d normally expect a robber to do. It’s also interesting that he doesn’t appear concerned at all that Nancie might actually have heard him and be on the phone with 911 while he’s casually standing at the front door trying to cover and remove the door camera. I wonder if that suggests that maybe there was someone else already inside the home.

this is what i've always wondered. i just can't get over how SLOW he's moving (assuming the video released was not slowed down for some reason?). it makes no sense...when offenders break into a home they do not move that casually. he didn't even pick the flowers with any sense of urgency.

some thoughts on this...

1. he was high

2. he was a decoy of sorts, and another offender was elsewhere

3. he thought Nancy wasn't home at the time so not quite as urgent (although this still goes against what's typical for burglars...even if occupants aren't in the house, they will still generally want to move quickly. you never know when police could be alerted by someone you're not aware of e.g. a neighbor who saw you)

4. a combination of some of these?

moo

 

[LRinCA]

How many people are really up at 2:00am?

In their defense (?), I get the impression the dog awakened them and they went outside because the dog was insistent. I have not listened to the video, but that was my late night read/take on it. Then they decided to video him/her. I'm curious if the dog was leashed or unleashed.

jmo etc

 

[Mistermagoo]

RBBM This is very true. B&E guys avoid homes where they know dogs live. This is why people put out “Beware of Dog” signs even if they don’t have a dog. I think unless the perp was familiar with the neighborhood, he wouldn’t really think about a neighbor’s dog out barking in the middle of the night.

Also, from what I understand, most people in that area do not leave their dogs out alone at night because of the wildlife. Makes sense if it is true.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

First I heard of the dog video until today. The last thing the perp(s) could plan for is a dog alerting the whole neighborhood with it's barking. Could it have possibly made the Perp(s) get out quicker than they wanted to?

There was tons of publicity about this crime when it happened and I'm surprised that the neighbors who took video of their dog didn't appear call LE until recently. Just didn't make the connection, perhaps?

If this happened around 2 am and the perp didn't leave until 2:28 am, the dog barking may not have caused the perp to move faster.

JMO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Yesterday somebody posted that several experts have said that because of the nature of the blood splatter on the front walkway, NG likely walked out of the house.

What do you all think? I have zero expertise with blood splatter and if it's true that NG walked out of the house, IMO this changes everything about how we view this case.

JMO

 

[OldCop]

i'm curious to know if prosecutors are called to a house (/crime scene) just as protocol before it's released, or if it does mean that an arrest is being prepared

moo

It could be either but, it would usually have to be a very serious crime like homicide, violent sexual assault, kidnapping, grand theft, etc. They often go on a high profile case to assist with their prosecution. In low crime areas, prosecutors might have the time to visit more crime scenes.

 

[SherryLock]

In their defense (?), I get the impression the dog awakened them and they went outside because the dog was insistent. I have not listened to the video, but that was my late night read/take on it. Then they decided to video him/her. I'm curious if the dog was leashed or unleashed.

jmo etc

I agree. It sounded strange to me at first but when I stopped and thought about it, I could easily see it going something like this:

Dog uncharacteristically goes nuts in the middle of the night.

Dog parent logically figures dog is barking at either a wild animal (anything from a rabbit to a mountain lion) OR a prowler. It may not be that unusual, due to wildlife in the area.

Dog parent decides to let the dog out, to run off prowler, if there is one. Or to let possibly dangerous animal know not to hang out so close to his house. He may also think the dog needs to "do its business" now, since dog is so worked up. It's possible (likely?) the dog is a tough guard type dog, pit bull, German shepherd, etc. Dog parent wants to send a strong message to possible prowler that he is not to be messed with. But he doesn't want to bother the police and feel embarrassed if it's only a small animal the dog is so wound up over. Calling LE could also possibly send a signal of weakness to the possible prowler, that dog parent needs to call in help. This seems to me how a lot of guys, in particular, would think.

Dog parent follows dog outside. Dog is either leashed or not but probably trusted to obey dog parent.

Dog parent uses iphone to record whatever event is unfolding. Sure, why not. Don't most of us usually have our phones with us anyway. iphone might capture image of the prowler, if there is one. Or dog parent might get some really cool footage of a wild animal (bobcat, mountain lion, coyote, javelina, owl, etc). And, of course, he can easily call 9-1-1 that way, if needed.

Also, quite possibly, dog parent has a gun with him.

Okay, I may be putting way too much thought into this lol.

MOO

 

[ab01]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2031052655766941976

Search for Nancy Guthrie enters 5th week, cadaver dogs on hold

Nancy Guthrie, mother of Today's Savannah Guthrie, remains missing after suspected abduction from Tucson home. $1.2M reward offered as search continues.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Mistermagoo]

There was tons of publicity about this crime when it happened and I'm surprised that the neighbors who took video of their dog didn't appear call LE until recently. Just didn't make the connection, perhaps?

If this happened around 2 am and the perp didn't leave until 2:28 am, the dog barking may not have caused the perp to move faster.

JMO

Very strange that why waited. I would think that one would make a possible connection the day of.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

My question is, if they were up at 2am with the dog, did they notice their notification about the wifi being out then and try to figure out why? Or did they not notice (even though they were using their phones at that time, videotaping the dog) until the morning. Weird development. I’m curious if maybe the dog heard a scream that woke him up, which the owners didn’t hear themselves. JMO

If the perps had NG's bedroom lights on, they would have been able to see the lights on but even if the lights were on, one would think she just happened to be up at that time. JMO