Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[LaLaw2000]

Tricia... a little off topic...but you look amazing! Are you aging in reverse or what? I don't take offense any more because I know how to "roll and scroll."

Tricia, you look fabulous! Sorry, I just couldn't resist saying that. I hadn't seen you in awhile!

 

[ly502]

Forgive me but I cannot find where the "newest" timeline was posted, the one with the someone from the church calling the family at 11:00 am. This was not in the official timeline released yesterday during the press conference. Does anyone have this link, because this was notably missing from the press conference completely yesterday?

 

[Van Helsing]

Bandage was a “medium size commercial bandaid”(1.5”x2” approx), under right forearm(thin bone area), near elbow( not on elbow), my memory only. Probably a scrape because it’s not where an infusion or blood draw would go.

I'm 70 and the skin on my arms breaks very easily (sun damage according to my dermatologist). I almost always have band aids on my arms.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I've been leaning on the AB theory, but now leaning on a possible scenario in which this is someone living in Tuscon, who knows TC/AG. Previous criminal background, maybe a drug problem and/or psychopath. (TC's bandmate is reported to have a criminal history).

Given NG's connection to SG the 'abduction' would get the media attention they crave, and with SG's wealth, they might have a chance at actually getting the Bitcoin. A nice older lady with trouble walking, living alone in an isolated neighborhood, would not be hard to subdue for them.

Did the perp know that TC went to drop NG off that night, and therefore, if they did it then, TC would be the last person to see her, and they were alone together, so TC would be suspect not them, throwing LE off.

Either way surely LE is onto not only looking at family but those close to them. Maybe when LS declined the rule out family publicly, it was a red herring, they were trying to make the perp or perps think that family was the suspect instead of the actual suspect they are looking at.

Maybe it did not go as planned, and NG was no longer with us which is why the ransom letter says this will be the only contact. They can't give proof of life, and also more risk getting caught.

Such a disgusting, sad, shocking and unbelievable event. My heart goes out to SGs family and friends. Heartbreaking to watch this go on.

agree on a lot of this...
I really do think a lot of us are thinking of those peripheral people to the relatives or NG herself.....
Sooooo often the case....

This thought has constantly gone through my mind:
"Maybe it did not go as planned, and NG was no longer with us which is why the ransom letter says this will be the only contact"

Have they clarified succinctly that ONLY NG, AG, and TC were at dinner that night?

It was Nancy's birthday after all,so others could have easily been there?

 

[tbgo]

If the ransom notes are fake, unrelated, and the abduction or possible murder was done by someone else, the ransom is definitely helping the actual abductors. Beginning to think she awoke to find someone in her home, confrontation, possible murder. Who?

Still though, why take the body?

 

[SaraSmile]

I agree. I’m feeling this may have nothing to do with a ransom and that the actual motive is something entirely different than what’s being discussed. Not wanting to elaborate just now.

I’m interested in your ideas. Your post piqued my interest, got me thinking.

Perhaps TC and his bandmate friend were helping Nancy with some errands or tasks at home. Example:Nancy witnessed the bandmate with a large quantity of drugs in the trunk of car.

They were not sure if it registered with Nancy what she saw, if she might tell someone.
So the bandmate hatched and carried out the plan. TC was not involved with the abduction, but maybe knew about the drugs.
All just ideas…
MOO

 

[Gr3yW0lf78]

Has anyone the possibility that the ransom email was written at NG’s home using either her computer or phone? Then delivery of the email may have been scheduled for delivery to several outlets at a later time to give the abductors time to get wherever they were going?

This explains the untraceable nature of the email. But leaves some uncertainty as to whether a hacker sent it or someone physically in possession of NG’s device.

 

[merrymary]

Just thinking of my own situation - I had keys to my parents' home when they owned one, but I always used their garage code because it was just easier. If that was the situation here, the perp would be an idiot to go through the garage.

UNLESS, like I said before, the door was open long enough for someone to run in and hide.

Happened in my prior subdivision...couple came home...had door open long enough...and don't want to even say what happened next. Perp never found and since then, that subdivision is now a gated community

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Bitcoin just crashed. Now what? Did the abductors pick a bad economic time to demand a bitcoin ransom?

The bitcoin price has plummeted under the closely-watched $80,000 per bitcoin level, sparking fears that a full-blown bitcoin and crypto crash could be looming.

10 million in BTC is still 10 million in BTC - and if held long enough greatly compounds. It’s a good time to buy.

 

[aafromaa]

The first report I heard of this simply said SG’s mother was missing from her home in AZ. Like many, I’m sure, I thought perhaps Alzheimer’s or dementia was involved and she wondered off and would be found shaken and afraid but okay within a relatively short time period. But once I learned that there was no cognitive impairment and that there were signs of a break-in, I’ve had a pit in my stomach ever since.

It reminds me of how I felt when I first came to WS when Caylee Anthony was reported missing and every day we hoped to learn that her mother had sold her to someone or something along those lines — sounds awful but it was better to hope for that than to think about the alternatives - and every day the reports got more bizarre. It also remind me of how I felt when we started hearing about Tylee & JJ missing and we hoped to learn they were found in some cult compound or something - again not pleasant thoughts but better than the alternatives - and every day the reports got more bizarre.

And hours turned to days and days to weeks and weeks to months.

As awful as the thought of an 84 year old being held for ransom is and as uncertain as the outcome would be if that is the case, it seems better to hope for that the alternatives.

I pray those of you who are predicting an arrest is coming soon are correct and that whatever her condition NG is found soon. My heart breaks for her children and grandchildren and all they are going through. I truly hope that she is still alive and will be brought home to them. But each day that hope dims. If it is this difficult for me as an observer to try to keep believing that she may still be alive, I can’t imagine what a struggle it is for her family to hold on to hope. They are all in my prayers.

 

[shadowsc]

I think it's really important to notice that the call from the church friend appears nowhere on the official timeline. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I don't think that we can just interleave events from the official timeline and from other sources and assume we have an accurate picture.

Yeah, that part is weird, especially since Daily Mail reported Nancy hasn't been going in person to mass since Covid and Brian Entin said his producers went to the church who told him the same thing or wouldn't confirm. I wonder if it's one of those rumors that got started early and then just takes on a life of its own. (Like in the Moscow Idaho murders where for for months the narrative was "someone ran outside in the morning and passed out" because the 911 call had reported an "unconscious" person and it didn't get cleared up for like months or years that no one passed out outside.) Someone may have said, "Nancy usually attends mass on Sunday morning" and for all we know, that statement took on a life of its own in the early days and LE hasn't publicly corrected.

 

[bkgregg5]

I'm having a disconnect here because I have no idea what time I open my garage door and what time I close it.

Also, I come in through the garage a lot because our front door is super moody.

How do they know what time her garage door went up and then down?

I get a text alert on my phone anytime the garage door is open or closed. Also, I can open and close the door remotely using the app. So there are tons of ways to track the door going up and down

 

[wyome]

IMO the only way family could be involved with this, and it have a purely financial motive like inheritance or property, is if she were left in a location where she would actually be found or someone associated with them facilitated a ransom demand (in which case she would likely be alive and medicated). But family can't get an inheritance or claim someone's property without a death certificate, and the state wouldn't declare her deceased for years without a body. So if they were involved it would not be in their financial (inheritance) interest to take her away from the scene at all, and if they did take her away not to put her in a place that she couldn't be found easily.

This is why I'm not thinking family financial motive.

JMO.

This is an excellent point. Perhaps IF a family member is responsible, he/she is probably shocked her body hasn't been found yet. Maybe that ransom to throw LE off the trail for a bit has backfired because she should have been found deceased by now.

Have no idea how much NG has as a nest egg, but whatever it is divided by 3 is still a phenomenal payout for someone.

 

[SRWCF]

Yikes. My point being people don't keep much cash at home these days? Everything is credit card, Venmo, Apple Pay, etc. ????

I don't know...my mom is 77 and liked to have cash on hand at all times. She did not use Venmo or ApplePay. She recently sold a home, so she had a bunch of liquidity in the bank. I saw she withdrew $5k shortly after the sale and I still don't know where the money went. $5k is A LOT of money to a desperate person. It could be NG went to pay a contractor with cash, and he eyed a wad of it in her wallet and saw an easy target...This is just a scenario that I could see happening with my mom. The difference is my mom has Dementia (now in memory care) and NG is "sharp as a tack" according to LO. Being sharp does not preclude someone from being too trusting, though.

 

[tbgo]

I’m interested in your ideas. Your post piqued my interest, got me thinking.

Perhaps TC and his bandmate friend were helping Nancy with some errands or tasks at home. Example:Nancy witnessed the bandmate with a large quantity of drugs in the trunk of car.

They were not sure if it registered with Nancy what she saw, if she might tell someone.
So the bandmate hatched and carried out the plan. TC was not involved with the abduction, but maybe knew about the drugs.
All just ideas…
MOO

That would make a great suspense novel or movie but I think it’s probably less complicated than that. Then again, this case is so wacky you have to keep an open mind. I think the entire thing was amateurish. If it’s not kidnapping for ransom then they should have tried to make it look like a robbery. They didn’t bother to do that. If the ransom is connected and real, the person came up with the idea after the fact. You don’t wait 72 hours to make demands, not to mention sending it to TMZ and then a local news affiliate.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

For what it’s worth I don’t believe the ransom is connected to the crime.

I am thinking about the cleverness of the ransomers and wondering about hacking of a smart tv. I haven’t really followed that topic much, but what kind of likelihood is there that the ransomer is a smart hacker type who also might be able to have a look at the house via hacking a smart tv camera? That could provide the location of items.

The FBI Warns That Smart TVs Can Be a Gateway for Hackers to Enter Victims’ Homes

If you’re the proud owner of a new smart TV—or already have one—the FBI says be aware of privacy implications and risk of cyberattacks.

www.idwatchdog.com

 

[SaraSmile]

It looks to me like fine purple flowers and greenery used as filler in a vase flower arrangement. I've been wondering if such an arrangement might have been on a table near the front door and was knocked or stuck to a sleeve or in hair, as someone brushed past it, taking it outside.

Someone mentioned it was windy the day before.
MOO

 

[SRWCF]

agree on a lot of this...
I really do think a lot of us are thinking of those peripheral people to the relatives or NG herself.....
Sooooo often the case....

This thought has constantly gone through my mind:
"Maybe it did not go as planned, and NG was no longer with us which is why the ransom letter says this will be the only contact"

Have they clarified succinctly that ONLY NG, AG, and TC were at dinner that night?

It was Nancy's birthday after all,so others could have easily been there?

I presume AG /TO's kids were there, too.

 

[SaraSmile]

That would make a great suspense novel or movie but I think it’s probably less complicated than that. Then again, this case is so wacky you have to keep an open mind. I think the entire thing was amateurish. If it’s not kidnapping for ransom then they should have tried to make it look like a robbery. They didn’t bother to do that. If the ransom is connected and real, the person came up with the idea after the fact. You don’t wait 72 hours to make demands, not to mention sending it to TMZ and then a local news affiliate.

Right, haha, it took a while for the ransom letter!

 

[shadowsc]

Regarding whether NG had recently been attending services in person or whether she was in the habit of watching them online, I'd like to see other sources besides the Daily Mail. LE doesn't have to tell us what they found. But I wonder whether some journalists could (politely & discreetly) ask around about this question, especially as we wait for other progress in the case.

JMO

This is what Brian Entin said yesterday on Megyn Kelly... he doesn't really know. But he did say his producers asked church itself and they said Nancy switched to online mass after COVID.

MK: Two other quick questions. The Daily Mail today is reporting that Nancy Guthrie did not attend a church in person and that she hadn't been for years since the COVID pandemic. That instead she'd been participating in the live stream into this church. And then they had one source at the church who told them that the church for the record is not saying that on the record.

Um but they're saying there'd be no way for anybody to know who is participating in the live stream. It's not it's not like a thing where you can see who's joining um you know people live stream in or they don't. Now that would be a material change from the story that the sheriff told which was that somebody at church noticed Nancy wasn't there. She was a religious churchgoer and um that that person called the family out of concern. Have you heard anything on this either way?

BE: So, the church near her house that we went to, the pastor told uh my producer the same thing that the Daily
Mail is reporting that she switched to online after COVID and was didn't come to church on Sundays. I just assumed
maybe she also went to a different church. Um that that was just my first assumption that maybe we had the wrong
church or that she had switched in the last couple of months or maybe, you know, sometimes people go to like a
couple churches. Maybe she goes online to that one sometimes and likes a different one too some Sundays. Um, so I
didn't read into it like the sheriff definitely had the wrong story. I just thought, gosh, maybe there's another church we don't know about.