Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[MommaV]

I apologize in advance if this was talked about already, but why did it take the police a couple days after she was missing to cordon off the property as a crime scene, which possibly gave plenty of time for the scene to be tampered with? Could the abductor(s) have taken her and later returned to the scene to place or remove things strategically? Was there time, prior to property being cordon off that annyone unrelated to the crime manipulate the scene in order to release a ransom note that lists evidence only known by LE? Seems like there may have been plenty of time for anyone to manipulate the scene to their advantage.

 

[SRWCF]

The first report I heard of this simply said SG’s mother was missing from her home in AZ. Like many, I’m sure, I thought perhaps Alzheimer’s or dementia was involved and she wondered off and would be found shaken and afraid but okay within a relatively short time period. But once I learned that there was no cognitive impairment and that there were signs of a break-in, I’ve had a pit in my stomach ever since.

It reminds me of how I felt when I first came to WS when Caylee Anthony was reported missing and every day we hoped to learn that her mother had sold her to someone or something along those lines — sounds awful but it was better to hope for that than to think about the alternatives - and every day the reports got more bizarre. It also remind me of how I felt when we started hearing about Tylee & JJ missing and we hoped to learn they were found in some cult compound or something - again not pleasant thoughts but better than the alternatives - and every day the reports got more bizarre.

And hours turned to days and days to weeks and weeks to months.

As awful as the thought of an 84 year old being held for ransom is and as uncertain as the outcome would be if that is the case, it seems better to hope for that the alternatives.

I pray those of you who are predicting an arrest is coming soon are correct and that whatever her condition NG is found soon. My heart breaks for her children and grandchildren and all they are going through. I truly hope that she is still alive and will be brought home to them. But each day that hope dims. If it is this difficult for me as an observer to try to keep believing that she may still be alive, I can’t imagine what a struggle it is for her family to hold on to hope. They are all in my prayers.

I felt so bad for the kids when watching their plea video. They look wrecked and destroyed by this.

 

[wyome]

I don't know...my mom is 77 and liked to have cash on hand at all times. She did not use Venmo or ApplePay. She recently sold a home, so she had a bunch of liquidity in the bank. I saw she withdrew $5k shortly after the sale and I still don't know where the money went. $5k is A LOT of money to a desperate person. It could be NG went to pay a contractor with cash, and he eyed a wad of it in her wallet and saw an easy target...This is just a scenario that I could see happening with my mom. The difference is my mom has Dementia (now in memory care) and NG is "sharp as a tack" according to LO. Being sharp does not preclude someone from being too trusting, though.

Oh my I get the cash thing. My father kept wads of cash in briefcases, drawers, and cigar boxes. When he moved into memory care I had to pry it away from him and deposit it into his bank account. It was difficult because in his mind, he NEEDS to have ready cash.

 

[ly502]

What do you think someone she hired would have to gain from this?

If she was indeed killed before leaving the home or if this was the main goal, I just don't see a motive for anyone aside from family.

 

[TMich6811]

Bothers me a crap ton if churches are actually speaking to reporters unless they’ve been told to

 

[muddlehead]

I'm so pleased this thread is still in one piece at 310 pages
I remember when they would break into another thread after 60 pages or so
This, obviously, easier to follow
Thx to those responsible

PS
Interesting to me, and likely only me, that NG took an uber to her dinner date w/fam 4 miles away that fateful Sat evening
But, got a ride home from fam after

 

[moonbeams]

NG is a senior with a few issues but doubt very much that she had home care in twice daily> I think most thinking like this are young. NG walks with a cane and take some meds...probably without much if any help. Unless I hear officials say different that is what I see and I am older doing the same.

My mom was a couple of years older than NG and she didn't have anyone coming in daily. She walked with a cane and drove (short distances to church, local doctor appointments)

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Bothers me a crap ton if churches are actually speaking to reporters unless they’ve been told to

Yes, I think the reason we don't know definitely about the church is because congregants and church admin/leadership are being thoughtful to NG, the family, and the investigation.

jmopinion

 

[tbgo]

Has anyone the possibility that the ransom email was written at NG’s home using either her computer or phone? Then delivery of the email may have been scheduled for delivery to several outlets at a later time to give the abductors time to get wherever they were going?

This explains the untraceable nature of the email. But leaves some uncertainty as to whether a hacker sent it or someone physically in possession of NG’s device.

I think that they would know by now if someone sent the email from her computer. To not be detected, they would have to use her email account too. If they used their own their account through one of her devices, that account could still easily be traced regardless of the device it was sent on - unless they set up the account right there at her house. Then the perp would either have to be wearing gloves or wipe down the keyboard or her phone for prints. The person would be taking a long time in that house to pull that off and the timeline between something alerting the doorbell and her pacemaker no longer being picked up is not that long. They also had to remove her body from the premises. Not enough time to do all of that.

 

[SMK777]

If she was indeed killed before leaving the home or if this was the main goal, I just don't see a motive for anyone aside from family.

I can imagine if she had to fire a worker after discovering theft, and mentioned reporting it to police, that things could escalate in an attempt to silence her, and lead to a clumsy attempt at coverup story.

This scenario keeps coming to mind because decades ago where I was living a similar scenario occurred.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I apologize in advance if this was talked about already, but why did it take the police a couple days after she was missing to cordon off the property as a crime scene, which possibly gave plenty of time for the scene to be tampered with? Could the abductor(s) have taken her and later returned to the scene to place or remove things strategically? Was there time, prior to property being cordon off that annyone unrelated to the crime manipulate the scene in order to release a ransom note that lists evidence only known by LE? Seems like there may have been plenty of time for anyone to manipulate the scene to their advantage.

Police had control of the house right away and then released it on Tuesday I believe, after they said all testing and evidence gathering had been completed.

A lot of people found the timing of them releasing the house so soon to be odd. Reporter Brian Entin was able to go up to the front door and film blood evidence outside on the ground.

for all we know, it could've been strategic, almost like a trap. Release the house to see if anyone goes back? who knows

moo

 

[shadowsc]

The other thing that keeps bugging me about this case is what kind of criminal sends a ransom note AFTER the FBI is widely involved and monitoring it, and the White House is offering every resource, and the entire nation is watching. Maybe I have seen too many movies, but like wouldn't most ransom notes be like, "Deposit x amount of bitcoin in x account by Thursday at 5pm. Do not contact authorities."

 

[justwannahelp]

Then what’s with the second deadline on Monday? If you ask for money by 5pm Thursday, wouldn’t you say that you intend to kill her if payment isn’t received? Why would you add 4 more days? It sounds like to me that they probably said that they would rough her up on Thursday and then kill her on or after Monday for failure of payment. They also said that they would not be communicating again. The ransom note will be it.

Honestly, the entire thing sounds goofy.

Doubled down, tripled down and now quadrupling down

Ok well… she is definitely ALL IN. She’s quite convicted. I will say, the sheriff’s answers that she replayed do seem to “play well” with her reporting

 

[Lamima]

Couple things. As far as money and valuables in the home worth a robbery/abduction. She may not have great wealth but for some, like drug addicts or gamblers, they need just a little for right then. There have been many a home invasion for just a couple hundred.

I know an elderly person who keeps an envelope of like $2500 cash in the house to pay for services (handy man or cleaner, etc) and they also grab out some when going out to eat (thats how I know about it). I surely hope they dont pull out that envelope when paying the service folks, right in front of them, but maybe they do. Bad idea. So maybe NG had similar thing. The older generation loves to use cash and not CC.

As far as the blood outside the front door and the dried flowers. Could she have been attacked inside and tried to get out the front door? Made it out and was dragged or talked back inside? Then that front camera was smashed after. Also wonder if she was given a towel for the bleeding while the robber thought out what to do next. Wonder if any towels or bedding is missing.

Also curious if they know she had gone to bed...bed turned down and clothes worn to dinner in hamper, false teeth out, jewelry off...whatever routine she does...was that all done?

 

[connie9030]

I wonder who was responsible for making sure the Nest Camera Subscription was paid. Not likely Nancy. Probably just an oversight. Maybe not.

 

[Van Helsing]

Still though, why take the body?

NG weighs 150 lbs. If she was deceased inside the home it would have been very difficult for a single person to remove her. If a single individual did remove the body by himself, I think there would be a lot of evidence left, like drag marks. There were only about 4 visible blood drops on the stoop and I got the impression from the press conference that there was no blood inside the house. I'm thinking she was probably alive and on foot when she left the house. If not, there were more than one person involved.

I also think that the abductors were unaware of the cameras inside the house, which indicates someone other than close family.

Apologies if this was discussed earlier.

 

[DizzyB]

Yeah, that part is weird, especially since Daily Mail reported Nancy hasn't been going in person to mass since Covid and Brian Entin said his producers went to the church who told him the same thing or wouldn't confirm. I wonder if it's one of those rumors that got started early and then just takes on a life of its own. (Like in the Moscow Idaho murders where for for months the narrative was "someone ran outside in the morning and passed out" because the 911 call had reported an "unconscious" person and it didn't get cleared up for like months or years that no one passed out outside.) Someone may have said, "Nancy usually attends mass on Sunday morning" and for all we know, that statement took on a life of its own in the early days and LE hasn't publicly corrected.

Kind of like the Suzanne Morphew out on a bike ride, no bike ride. With a neighbor having to contact law enforcement instead of the family doing it. What really brought family members over to the house? Was it a call regarding no church attendance, was a friend unable to get in touch and they in turn reached out to family? Missing yesterday from the timeline, not sure if it is being withheld or of it’s an important piece.

 

[MizStery]

Forgive me but I cannot find where the "newest" timeline was posted, the one with the someone from the church calling the family at 11:00 am. This was not in the official timeline released yesterday during the press conference. Does anyone have this link, because this was notably missing from the press conference completely yesterday?

There is no ‘new’ official timeline.

I will post the official timeline and link to TMZ taken from the 11 AM news conference. I used this website not because I subscribe to TMZ but it presented the official timeline in a straight-forward way.I know this has been on previous messages upstream. But I decided to go ahead and repost it ‘if’ it would be helpful to others.


Nancy Guthrie's Kidnapping Timeline Detailed By Officials

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Police had control of the house right away and then released it on Tuesday I believe, after they said all testing and evidence gathering had been completed.

A lot of people found the timing of them releasing the house so soon to be odd. Reporter Brian Entin was able to go up to the front door and film blood evidence outside on the ground.

for all we know, it could've been strategic, almost like a trap. Release the house to see if anyone goes back? who knows

moo

LE released the house but then later crime tape was put up again. The chief said that was because partner agencies joined the investigation and wanted to examine the property for themselves. When they completed that, the tape was taken down again.

That my understanding from the presser yesterday.

Putting up the tape again, happened, coincidentally or not, as the video was being recorded at AG's house, so I have been wondering if the police activity at NG's house was to draw media there and away from the family recording at the other house. But that's simply a wild guess and speculation, not fact. imo

jmopinion

 

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