AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[MesquiteO21]

I apologize in advance if this was talked about already, but why did it take the police a couple days after she was missing to cordon off the property as a crime scene, which possibly gave plenty of time for the scene to be tampered with? Could the abductor(s) have taken her and later returned to the scene to place or remove things strategically? Was there time, prior to property being cordon off that annyone unrelated to the crime manipulate the scene in order to release a ransom note that lists evidence only known by LE? Seems like there may have been plenty of time for anyone to manipulate the scene to their advantage.

Police had control of the house right away and then released it on Tuesday I believe, after they said all testing and evidence gathering had been completed.

A lot of people found the timing of them releasing the house so soon to be odd. Reporter Brian Entin was able to go up to the front door and film blood evidence outside on the ground.

for all we know, it could've been strategic, almost like a trap. Release the house to see if anyone goes back? who knows

moo

 

[shadowsc]

The other thing that keeps bugging me about this case is what kind of criminal sends a ransom note AFTER the FBI is widely involved and monitoring it, and the White House is offering every resource, and the entire nation is watching. Maybe I have seen too many movies, but like wouldn't most ransom notes be like, "Deposit x amount of bitcoin in x account by Thursday at 5pm. Do not contact authorities."

 

[justwannahelp]

Then what’s with the second deadline on Monday? If you ask for money by 5pm Thursday, wouldn’t you say that you intend to kill her if payment isn’t received? Why would you add 4 more days? It sounds like to me that they probably said that they would rough her up on Thursday and then kill her on or after Monday for failure of payment. They also said that they would not be communicating again. The ransom note will be it.

Honestly, the entire thing sounds goofy.

Doubled down, tripled down and now quadrupling down

Ok well… she is definitely ALL IN. She’s quite convicted. I will say, the sheriff’s answers that she replayed do seem to “play well” with her reporting

 

[Lamima]

Couple things. As far as money and valuables in the home worth a robbery/abduction. She may not have great wealth but for some, like drug addicts or gamblers, they need just a little for right then. There have been many a home invasion for just a couple hundred.

I know an elderly person who keeps an envelope of like $2500 cash in the house to pay for services (handy man or cleaner, etc) and they also grab out some when going out to eat (thats how I know about it). I surely hope they dont pull out that envelope when paying the service folks, right in front of them, but maybe they do. Bad idea. So maybe NG had similar thing. The older generation loves to use cash and not CC.

As far as the blood outside the front door and the dried flowers. Could she have been attacked inside and tried to get out the front door? Made it out and was dragged or talked back inside? Then that front camera was smashed after. Also wonder if she was given a towel for the bleeding while the robber thought out what to do next. Wonder if any towels or bedding is missing.

Also curious if they know she had gone to bed...bed turned down and clothes worn to dinner in hamper, false teeth out, jewelry off...whatever routine she does...was that all done?

 

[tbgo]

Yes, I normally like Brian but that’s kind of a gross cheap shot. Imagine the family isn’t involved, and here Brian and AB are smearing them? Can we please wait for any confirmation at all that the family could be involved before we begin personally attacking them.

Brian doesn’t appear to be the sharpest tool in the shed. The amount of times he says “like” drives me crazy. I have to hand it to him for getting to the area and being the one to spot the dried blood on the ground though. He also got locals to speak to him on camera.

 

[connie9030]

I wonder who was responsible for making sure the Nest Camera Subscription was paid. Not likely Nancy. Probably just an oversight. Maybe not.

 

[Van Helsing]

Still though, why take the body?

NG weighs 150 lbs. If she was deceased inside the home it would have been very difficult for a single person to remove her. If a single individual did remove the body by himself, I think there would be a lot of evidence left, like drag marks. There were only about 4 visible blood drops on the stoop and I got the impression from the press conference that there was no blood inside the house. I'm thinking she was probably alive and on foot when she left the house. If not, there were more than one person involved.

I also think that the abductors were unaware of the cameras inside the house, which indicates someone other than close family.

Apologies if this was discussed earlier.

 

[DizzyB]

Yeah, that part is weird, especially since Daily Mail reported Nancy hasn't been going in person to mass since Covid and Brian Entin said his producers went to the church who told him the same thing or wouldn't confirm. I wonder if it's one of those rumors that got started early and then just takes on a life of its own. (Like in the Moscow Idaho murders where for for months the narrative was "someone ran outside in the morning and passed out" because the 911 call had reported an "unconscious" person and it didn't get cleared up for like months or years that no one passed out outside.) Someone may have said, "Nancy usually attends mass on Sunday morning" and for all we know, that statement took on a life of its own in the early days and LE hasn't publicly corrected.

Kind of like the Suzanne Morphew out on a bike ride, no bike ride. With a neighbor having to contact law enforcement instead of the family doing it. What really brought family members over to the house? Was it a call regarding no church attendance, was a friend unable to get in touch and they in turn reached out to family? Missing yesterday from the timeline, not sure if it is being withheld or of it’s an important piece.

 

[MizStery]

Forgive me but I cannot find where the "newest" timeline was posted, the one with the someone from the church calling the family at 11:00 am. This was not in the official timeline released yesterday during the press conference. Does anyone have this link, because this was notably missing from the press conference completely yesterday?

There is no ‘new’ official timeline.

I will post the official timeline and link to TMZ taken from the 11 AM news conference. I used this website not because I subscribe to TMZ but it presented the official timeline in a straight-forward way.I know this has been on previous messages upstream. But I decided to go ahead and repost it ‘if’ it would be helpful to others.


Nancy Guthrie's Kidnapping Timeline Detailed By Officials

 

[Inthedetails]

Police had control of the house right away and then released it on Tuesday I believe, after they said all testing and evidence gathering had been completed.

A lot of people found the timing of them releasing the house so soon to be odd. Reporter Brian Entin was able to go up to the front door and film blood evidence outside on the ground.

for all we know, it could've been strategic, almost like a trap. Release the house to see if anyone goes back? who knows

moo

LE released the house but then later crime tape was put up again. The chief said that was because partner agencies joined the investigation and wanted to examine the property for themselves. When they completed that, the tape was taken down again.

That my understanding from the presser yesterday.

Putting up the tape again, happened, coincidentally or not, as the video was being recorded at AG's house, so I have been wondering if the police activity at NG's house was to draw media there and away from the family recording at the other house. But that's simply a wild guess and speculation, not fact. imo

jmopinion

 

[minazoe]

PAY THE RANSOM. mOO

 

[maskedwoman]

I think they may have thought responses to that may have gotten too political.

I see your point in what you were trying to communicate for sure.

Yes. Basically, he said they have identified NO PRIMARY SUSPECT(S)/NO PERSON OF INTEREST.

Additionally, he did emphasize that nobody has been cleared, and they are looking at everybody at this point.

I interpret that as "we have no persons of interest that I'm willing to talk about in front of cameras".

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Another theory-

FBI is obviously taking over case as evidenced by Sheriff having to be told by his wife that the family plea video was on insta.

Let’s say AB source is FBI related. Why would they want it leaked? My thoughts-

•Watch POI and see response
•Prompt conversations with family or spouse. -wiretaps
•Force or pressure to provide evidence not able to get without a warrant- think cellebrite going into AG and TC’s home the other day.
•prompt others to report other “bad behavior”
•stave off other bad tips, ransoms, etc.

We have to remember the car was taken for evidence BEFORE this leak. (I get the necessity of that as well, just for prosecution and to be able to say you looked at all angles to defense).
—— How long would it take to process that car? DNA, Berla, all the things?
——In what scenario could this guy be responsible and the car not hold evidence —other than a hired hit?

 

[MesquiteO21]

The other thing that keeps bugging me about this case is what kind of criminal sends a ransom note AFTER the FBI is widely involved and monitoring it, and the White House is offering every resource, and the entire nation is watching. Maybe I have seen too many movies, but like wouldn't most ransom notes be like, "Deposit x amount of bitcoin in x account by Thursday at 5pm. Do not contact authorities."

some have speculated that Savannah/LE did get a note earlier than the highly publicized TMZ one but that they maybe didn't think it was real and should be taken seriously. Then the perp got mad/impatient and decided to try again but this time make it very public.

i don't believe this was a genuine kidnapping for ransom but just a theory that's been thrown out there.

moo

 

[SRWCF]

Ok well… she is definitely ALL IN. She’s quite convicted. I will say, the sheriff’s answers that she replayed do seem to “play well” with her reporting

Ok, so let's say her source is correct. Then what is her purpose of releasing this information to the public, besides her own personal gain? It is not helping to find NG at all. In full disclosure, I have a deep disdain for "gotcha" reporting and Dateline type programming. It feels predatory to me. The pretending to care deeply about the family, etc. Nah. I ain't buying it. It's all about the $$$.

 

[K9Enzo]

Why does everyone keep bringing up the two minute garage? As someone with an 88 year old parent...2 minutes is NOTHING. It takes me that long to pause, open car door, get walker out, help parent out of car, grab the delivery from door or mail from mailbox, hug goodbye, walk parent to door, etc. Let alone if it's recycle day or garbage day the next morning...then I'm pausing longer to bring stuff to the curb or bring bins back in.

The reasons you list are exactly why the garage door open/close duration stood out to me as a concern. An 84 year old described as having mobility issues and "couldn't walk 50 yards by herself" being dropped off at night seems like it would take longer, since there is usually some stabilization just to get her out of the vehicle, let alone inside, and to make sure she is safely in. The short window could suggest she got minimal assistance. Maybe she didn't need it. Did she really make it from the car, through the garage, and into her home that quickly, garage door up and down, and it was Good Night Nancy? I don't know, but I don't like the timeline that was released yesterday in the PC. It brought me closer to her inner circle maybe being directly involved. IMO

 

[doublestop]

Yikes. My point being people don't keep much cash at home these days? Everything is credit card, Venmo, Apple Pay, etc. ????

Older people often do. I found $30,000 in cash tucked in various places in my mom's house a few years ago. Took it straight to the bank. Another friend found $25,000 in his dad's various coat pockets (dad was a musician who got paid in cash after gigs).

 

[shadowsc]

Couple things. As far as money and valuables in the home worth a robbery/abduction. She may not have great wealth but for some, like drug addicts or gamblers, they need just a little for right then. There have been many a home invasion for just a couple hundred.

I know an elderly person who keeps an envelope and like $2500 cash in the house to pay for services (handy man or cleaner, etc) and they also grab out some when going out to eat (thats how I know anout it). I surely hope they dont pull out that envelope when paying the service folks but maybe they do. Bad idea. So maybe NG had similar thing. The older generation loves to use cash and not CC.

So I agree that for dumb criminals or drug addicts or gamblers, a robbery may be worth the risk, and something could go sideways and an elderly woman gets harmed. I just don't think those same types of opportunistic or drug addicts are the same type of personalities that would then set up a mysterious bitcoin account and send (according to Harvey) well-written, well thought out, strategic ransom letters to major media outlets conveying they mean business.

It may very well be an idiot looking for quick cash took Nancy (but then wouldn't they also have stolen atm cards or any valuables in the house too?), but if so, then I tend to believe that the ransom letter itself is from someone not involved. I just don't think your average criminal doing an armed robbery is the same person or type of person doing kidnapping ransom plots.

 

[Janitor101]

To counter my own post, there is the "if incapacitated" clause generally in living wills, so I suppose whomever is POA would have tentative rights to execute financial transactions on her behalf. That would likely be SG though, or her brother, if she was advised to make the most rational choice. In any case, I imagine if it is anyone related to AB's claim that there would be no way they could execute any transaction within their self-interest without it being heavily scrutinized by all concerned.

So still thinking that even with this caveat that it is almost certainly not a family financial motive here.

JMO.

How about Nancy's kids pushing for the sale of her home several months down the road?

 

[IQuestion]

No one in her family would gain anything without her death certificate

CADY...you make a valid point. However, people fear disclosure. A death certificate is not required to drain a senior citizen's bank account. Imagine being accused of "financial abuse of an elder" if said individuals had financial sway/POA or were authorized signer on her bank accounts. I had a case in which my elderly client's son and wife took $25K out of their Mother's account. The sister found out and threatened to turn them into the police if they did not immediately return the funds.