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Harvey Levin did an interview with Mark Geragos an A Lister defense attorney. He knows how these guys think. He said family just needs to pay the ransom and hope for the best...without proof of life. I tend to agree. Otherwise nothing may happen at all...NG is killed and the kidnappers may never be found. She might be dead but I don't think they have much choice.
I agree. If you have the money or can get the money, you pay or risk your elderly mother being murdered. It sucks and i can’t imagine anything worse, buts its the right thing to do. Terrifying.
 
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If the number of posts here had any influence, this crime would be solved plus a dozen more unsolved cases.
 
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Yes, seeing the actual photo of the smashed flood light is alarming. It was hit so hard with an object the brick is even damaged. When there were initial reports of a broken flood light, I was picturing just a non-working light or maybe a broken light lens or cover. Not completely smashed in like that. Clearly intentional and not an accident.

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How far is the next home to hers? Hitting things with rocks or bricks would make a lot of racket, bringing a lot of attention to themselves. They’d really be taking a risk doing that.
 
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Right now it's looking like whoever is behind this is a criminal mastermind. I can't believe there are no traceable clues or leads. JMO
 
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If this/these perps smashed lights and cameras they had to have something to do that with. Something long. So taking Nancy, and this something long with them when they left, does that imply two people needed? Or that Nancy was bound while they smashed, and they made essentially two trips to vehicle to leave property? Or did they leave that tool behind? Did they smash before entry to home?
 
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In the press conference the sheriff said AG's car was impounded through a search warrant. He said something like that was normal or usual to do that. But I feel like it's not normal or usual to do that because the search warrant needs to state a very good reason to have suspicions for taking the car. Obviously theyre searching for evidence/DNA, but the question is why? Obviously NG's DNA would probably be in the car from being driven around by her daughter. So the search warrant had to have specified something more than that. Just my opinion/thoughts that that doesn't seem routine.
 
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If everyone in the family is a suspect, wouldn't LE be conducting some surveillance of one or more of these folks?
I mean, we've got the sheriff's, the FBI, and supposedly the full resources of state and federal government working overtime on this high profile case, yet it remains a deep mystery.
Oh they absolutely have all of them under surveillance. It is why LE were doing the "hokey pokey" with sealing and unsealing the crime scene this week; for surveillance purposes.
 
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Or add it to the profile: excellent throwing skills, great aim. Ball player?
When was the last time N or others near that light to even know its condition? Could have been done a totally different time than just recently and wasn’t noticed. Which room inside is nearest to it light? How often was N in that room or area to see if the lights were on or not?
 
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Then how'd she get the garage door open?
Auto Garage door opener?
Easier to carry a key.

EDIT Someone above said keypad.
Yikes
That doesn't seem secure
Keypad, garage door opener that hooks on sun visor in car, and app on phone.
 
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I’m trying to think about other things LE removed from their home that would be relevant to this case. Did N have any clothing there? Their financial records and statements? I mentioned tools and other things earlier, but what else did they take away from? For DNA, could be a brush, toothbrush, but those are small things, not necessary to need several big bins.
Computer, iPad, router, Alexa, sheets, light switches, anything with evidence on it, rugs?

My guesses
 
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Right now it's looking like whoever is behind this is a criminal mastermind. I can't believe there are no traceable clues or leads. JMO
I think if they end up getting a ransom, and don't get caught, they could start pulling off more of these?
 
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If the perp smashed the flood lights maybe there are finger prints.
There might be paint chips or transferred touch DNA as well. Might be too high up for fingerprints
 
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I think pointing out that he may or may not be a reliable source of information isn't poltics. He put the words out there, so they can be discussed. It has nothing to do with politics but whether they are a reliable source of information IMO
Completely agree. We’ve all discussed how Nanos has said contradictory things, who is AB’s supposedly impeccable source etc. So there’s a lot I feel skeptical about unless/until they are proven true.

moo
 
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Some press outlets like this CNN article
Include the call from “fellow churchgoers”. Some, such as Axios, omit it from their articles. I’ve seen it both ways.

But at the Sheriff’s own news conference, mention of the call was not included in the presentation (PowerPoint?) shown to the press. I’ve included two examples from our own Websleuther and one from MSN that are credited to the Pima County Sheriff’s Office.

There is no ‘new’ official timeline.

I will post the official timeline and link to TMZ taken from the 11 AM news conference. I used this website not because I subscribe to TMZ but it presented the official timeline in a straight-forward way.I know this has been on previous messages upstream. But I decided to go ahead and repost it ‘if’ it would be helpful to others. :)


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He's saying the perpetrator has a connection to KOLD news station. I'm not familiar with local news in the US - is there any connection between this station and SG / Today show?
Harvey said that “maybe they’re (LE) looking for a really intelligent person, who’s text savvy and who also has gone missing in the last week”. He also went on to say the letter is “constructed well, it’s layered, it’s grammatically all correct”. It appears the letter comes from a sophisticated, intelligent person.
 
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This is along the lines of where I am. I am thinking NG cut them out of her will or was planning to do so. I think they were counting on this money as neither has high paying or even medium paying jobs. For the siblings you’ve I got a fighter pilot, a famous news anchor, and a…. poet? A poet married to a teacher? That type of disparity sticks out to me… what were they doing? How did they live? How much resentment did that cause over the years and some kind of money disagreement with NG could have been the last straw.
Sometimes people want "an advance" on the will and it gets denied. If she was going to cut someone out of the will and tell them that .... that would basically be a severance of the relationship. Probably other family members would know about some or all of these things. Just speculating. JMO
 
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In the press conference the sheriff said AG's car was impounded through a search warrant. He said something like that was normal or usual to do that. But I feel like it's not normal or usual to do that because the search warrant needs to state a very good reason to have suspicions for taking the car. Obviously theyre searching for evidence/DNA, but the question is why? Obviously NG's DNA would probably be in the car from being driven around by her daughter. So the search warrant had to have specified something more than that. Just my opinion/thoughts that that doesn't seem routine.
Someone else’s DNA that was taken from her car could have come back and LE obtained the search warrant to get it investigated. IMO
 
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Tesla owner here. Sorry, I'm waaay behind here in the thread. Yes, video can be provided instantly as it's simply recorded on a USB drive. The problem is most Teslas come with a standard 128GB drive which is only 3 hours total and then continuously overwrites the oldest files. Some Tesla owners do add larger storage but most don't. Tesla's security recording consists of two main functions: Dashcam, which records while you are driving, and Sentry Mode, which monitors the vehicle while it is parked.


The issue is it's now been around 150 hours since Nancy went missing. The biggest break in the case would be if the vehicle they were looking for happened to park at the Circle K location next to a Tesla with Sentry mode enabled. That would give a very clear, close up footage of a person getting out and back into their car. Anytime someone parks next to me or in front of me, or even walks next to my Tesla, it records video of them and saves it. Tesla does give you the option to disable or enable the Sentry Mode as it typically consumes 1% to 2% of battery per hour so some owners do turn it off.
does it record sounds or just pictures? Interesting! Thanks
 
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In the press conference the sheriff said AG's car was impounded through a search warrant. He said something like that was normal or usual to do that. But I feel like it's not normal or usual to do that because the search warrant needs to state a very good reason to have suspicions for taking the car. Obviously theyre searching for evidence/DNA, but the question is why? Obviously NG's DNA would probably be in the car from being driven around by her daughter. So the search warrant had to have specified something more than that. Just my opinion/thoughts that that doesn't seem routine.
Agreed.
 
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