• #12,581
LE could very well stop speculation about the SIL...but they aren't. They aren't clearing anyone in the family (though, I assume Savannah was in NY but haven't looked that up). To me, thats the biggest sign of all.
 
  • #12,582
I know nothing about these tanks. There was a truck or trailer at the NG home a few days ago. Some thought it was to drain the tank, others thought it could be a power washer set-up. Do we know what happened with that? Also, the opening is very large.
That's not a septic tank in BE's post.
 
  • #12,583
Septic/well records that were pulled for Nancy's home. They have no record of a well and state they are connected to the City of Tucson water services. For septic it looks like they had a smaller septic tank that caused drain field failure back in 1991, so they then had 1,000 gallon septic tank installed. Here is the map portion of the approved permitting paperwork if anyone is curious.
 

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  • #12,584
I don’t think the perp could care less what we are thinking or posting. They have their hands full right now.

Amateur opinion and speculation only
Have we ever had actual perps sign up and come in and converse, of course not letting us know they are the perp. Do they ever sign up and come in asking questions like trying to use this place to help them hide things or escape, like with questions that gave them away?
 
  • #12,585
In regards to so many saying the search at AG house last night confirms he is/they are suspects, surely for the sake of a future trial of anyone else, LE would want to be able to say, "We searched the SIL's house repeatedly, luminoled it, processed their vehicles, etc. and found absolutely no evidence they were involved. And we have pictures of the luminol tests to prove there's no blood there!" At this point, if SIL hasn't been arrested after all that scrutiny, it makes me think he's less likely to have been involved rather than more.
 
  • #12,586
LE could very well stop speculation about the SIL...but they aren't. They aren't clearing anyone in the family (though, I assume Savannah was in NY but haven't looked that up). To me, thats the biggest sign of all.
I don't know.

With each day that passes, does it not become less likely the case will ever be solved?

Aren't the first few days sort of critical in missing person cases? And a week with nothing is not a great sign?
 
  • #12,587
I’m not sure they could do that IF an arrest i actually made. But they can “detain” for a certain period of time before arresting and I don’t think that has to be released and while I don’t know all the rules about such things i do know that sometimes they don’t want to make the arrest too early because then they only have a certain amount of time for a defendant to go before a judge - I guess to consider bail or something - and they like to have all their ducks in a row before they reach that point.
You can detain, but in most jurisdictions there's a 72 hour window where "detained on suspicion of XYZ" has to ultimately end in release or an arrest & arraignment before a judge.

not an expert/not a professional/all my opinion, speculation, etc etc
 
  • #12,588
An 84 year old frail woman who is in constant pain and requires a walking cane to walk cannot physically take off seatbelt, grab her belongings (purse, walking cane, maybe coat), and get out of a car and inside home via garage in 120 seconds. The front of house entry way had lights on. Why have an elderly woman enter house through garage? I think the crime started after Uber driver dropped NG off at Tucson sister's house.
But I don’t think its been established that she didn’t use a keypad to get into garage in which case she would only be standing there waiting for garage door to open them close it again after walking into garage. Am I misunderstanding somethg?
 
  • #12,589
I agree. They would have a septic waste company pump truck do this. I’ve observed my friends septic being pumped. It’s hazardous waste.
Residential septage is not hazardous waste.
 
  • #12,590
I’m not sure they could do that IF an arrest i actually made. But they can “detain” for a certain period of time before arresting and I don’t think that has to be released and while I don’t know all the rules about such things i do know that sometimes they don’t want to make the arrest too early because then they only have a certain amount of time for a defendant to go before a judge - I guess to consider bail or something - and they like to have all their ducks in a row before they reach that point.
Yes. Prosecutors get a certain number of hours (idk if it changes between states) before a defendant must be either charged or released from custody. In california that would be 48 hours not including weekends.
 
  • #12,591
I seriously think that Pima County is keeping the podcasters/reporters/media busy with these searches so they can do their real work behind the scenes.
Which means the media always buzzing around and them having to use manpower better spent elsewhere to keep them busy, man that is insance. I have a real love/hate relationship with internet and media.
 
  • #12,592
Also as you all remember with Kaylee Anthony delaying the discovery of a body and it being highly decomposed when found can help a person get away with the crime. Its much harder to deal with a totally decomposed body. A biology teacher would get that.
I go to AZ and Mexico a lot. I was thinking about a person driving with a DB, out into a remote desert area, to dump body( sorry). The desert is vast, quite drivable with dirt roads and washes.

Going on memory, it was stated earlier, a person is down to skeleton in 3 weeks, it’s so dry and sun baked, very little rain. Some immigrants try to cross the desert, perish, are just left out there.

It would be unlikely that Nancy would be found, if she was driven 10 miles from town, deposited somewhere in the desert.
 
  • #12,593
Have we ever had actual perps sign up and come in and converse, of course not letting us know they are the perp. Do they ever sign up and come in asking questions like trying to use this place to help them hide things or escape, like with questions that gave them away?

Yes! It was a long time ago and I forgot the details. Hopefully someone can recall the exact case but it was a case in Florida.
 
  • #12,594
In regards to so many saying the search at AG house last night confirms he is/they are suspects, surely for the sake of a future trial of anyone else, LE would want to be able to say, "We searched the SIL's house repeatedly, luminoled it, processed their vehicles, etc. and found absolutely no evidence they were involved. And we have pictures of the luminol tests to prove there's no blood there!" At this point, if SIL hasn't been arrested after all that scrutiny, it makes me think he's less likely to have been involved rather than more.
Exactly. And if he moved a body there would likely be evidence in a vehicle and possibly cell phone data, and you've got a spouse who would have to corroborate an alibi. I think LE would have sussed that all out already.
 
  • #12,595
Thanks for bringing this forward @CandyKiss , it is the same timeline I have.



Saturday, Jan. 31​

  • 5:32 p.m. — Nancy Guthrie takes an Uber to her family's home for dinner
  • 9:48 p.m. — Guthrie is dropped off at her Tucson, Arizona, home by a family member. The garage door opens
  • 9:50 p.m. — The garage door closes

Sunday, Feb. 1​

  • 1:47 a.m. — The doorbell camera is disconnected.
  • 2:12 a.m. — The camera's software detects movement, but there is no video available since Guthrie did not have an active subscription with the company, meaning the footage was not saved.
  • 2:28 a.m. — Guthrie's pacemaker app disconnects from her phone.
  • 11:56 a.m. — Guthrie's family checks on her after she did not show up at church.
  • 12:03 p.m. — Guthrie's family calls 911 to report a missing person.
  • 12:15 p.m. — Investigators arrive and launch a search operation, including the use of drones and search dogs.
  • 6:46 p.m. — The Pima County Sheriff's Department posts on social media to announce Guthrie's disappearance.
  • 9 p.m. — Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos speaks to reporters near Guthrie's house and says he hopes it is a search and rescue mission.

I would encourage anyone to make a copy of this timeline---to allow for a memory checks,
 
  • #12,596
I get your point. I would never do that to my parents, but everyone is different. If they had been drinking, it was a wise choice of course.
However, no mention of alcohol, so IDK.
If that were true, neither one of them should have driven her home.
 
  • #12,597
Another sign that I think LE have no clue what is happening is the lack of leaks or tipoffs, with the exception of the AB tipoff (which seems to be the only one).
 
  • #12,598
I don't know.

With each day that passes, does it not become less likely the case will ever be solved?

Aren't the first few days sort of critical in missing person cases? And a week with nothing is not a great sign?
Yes, the first days are critical. But I think this is solvable. IMHO LE dropped the ball in the beginning, big time.
 
  • #12,599
celebration of life, either way. Just produce our Mom.
Yes this is how I read it too. Produce our mother, dead or alive. We will pay the money either way.

But it sounds like to me they believe she is dead?
 
  • #12,600
Have we ever had actual perps sign up and come in and converse, of course not letting us know they are the perp. Do they ever sign up and come in asking questions like trying to use this place to help them hide things or escape, like with questions that gave them away?
Gannon Stauch step mom did
 
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