• #12,561
I think her health and mobility wasn’t that bad or else they would have picked her up, I don’t think the Uber thing is particularly suspicious or odd.
Do we know for sure who ordered the Uber?
 
  • #12,562
Agreed. They could have said, "so we can have a loving homecoming and reunion and hug her tightly." As soon as I heard the word, "celebrate" I thought immediately of "Celebration of Life".
celebration of life, either way. Just produce our Mom.
 
  • #12,563
Has there been an explanation as to why the vigil for NG was held at a different church? This article points out that zoom attendees had to register for the online services at the church she regularly attended, and so anyone with access could know if NG had attended last Sunday.


"A source speaking to the Daily Mail revealed that Nancy Guthrie had not physically attended St Andrew's Presbyterian Church since the Covid-19 pandemic began, choosing instead to participate in worship "online."

The church, where Nancy had been a congregant for 30 years, conducts three Sunday service Zoom sessions each week. Yet, despite the source's claims, Irish Star US has learned that participants are required to register using their full names to access the virtual gatherings.

This means anyone with access to the attendance records could have verified whether the 84-year-old was present. Nevertheless, the unnamed source spoke warmly of Nancy, stating, "It's a big church, and we know everyone. Nancy is known and loved here and in the whole community. She was a faithful member here for so long, just a lovely person."

Interestingly, although Nancy had belonged to St Andrew's Presbyterian Church for 30 years, her memorial vigil took place at a different location. On February 4, parishioners and supporters gathered at Saint Philip's in the Hills, the church attended by Nancy's daughter, Annie."
 
  • #12,564
Would authorities possibly keep the information private?
Ive been looking as well. LOL I dont think they would keep that private ---- LE is looking kinda bad in all of this, and they would need the win.
 
  • #12,565
oh I agree with this....
But all my service calls were just that--- service calls.
Not LE calls....

Racking my brain trying to think of what might still be traceable in the water or tank....
I know nothing about these tanks. There was a truck or trailer at the NG home a few days ago. Some thought it was to drain the tank, others thought it could be a power washer set-up. Do we know what happened with that? Also, the opening is very large.
 
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Thanks for bringing this forward @CandyKiss , it is the same timeline I have.

It says nothing about anyone going back to check on Nancy,
and the last date stamp is 9:48 when she was dropped off is the FACT of what we have known

Saturday, Jan. 31​

  • 5:32 p.m. — Nancy Guthrie takes an Uber to her family's home for dinner
  • 9:48 p.m. — Guthrie is dropped off at her Tucson, Arizona, home by a family member. The garage door opens
  • 9:50 p.m. — The garage door closes

I would encourage anyone to make a copy of this timeline---to allow for a memory checks, and hopefully a reduction of incorrect information
It’s the next morning at 11:56 they go back and check on her. Why did they? No one knows. LE removed it.
 
  • #12,567
They were not probing a septic tank with no mask or gloves. It had to be some type of cistern/water tank. I think they are going back and researching the property because they don't want to miss anything.
I agree. They would have a septic waste company pump truck do this. I’ve observed my friends septic being pumped. It’s hazardous waste.
 
  • #12,568
AB crossed the line revealing what she did - when she did.
Yes, agree she crossed a line... but with her "integrity" it does not surprise me -
The BIGGER line crossed IMO is by the "leaker", the person involved with the investigation feeding her the information- That person knows she is reporting the info -
So what's the leaker's end game ?
The leaker is said by AB to be at the highest level -

JMO
 
  • #12,569
Why is everyone so hung up on money and financial worth of the family? It really sounds mercenary. IMO, it's been a week and only last night did they say "we will pay". They know no more now than theu did when she disappeared and no money has changed hands and 530 tomorrow is a deadline. Playing games as to if the ransom demand is real or not, is risky business. They waited too long. IMO, this woman will not be recovered alive. Too much BS..red herrings like the AB story about TC, and wayyyy too much time wasted. Why would you barter for your mother's life? JMO.. I am getting disgusted with the obsession as to who is worth what and who pays. You can always make more money but you cant make more time. MOO
Kidnapping usually involves a request for a monetary ransom. I think that's why there is a financial focus. And, if this truly is a legit Kidnapping, premeditated, then they knew the family (i.e. SG) had the means to pay it. Kidnappers don't go to a run-down trailer park to take some for ransom! 😄
 
  • #12,570
dbm
 
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Isn't TC a middle school teacher? School personnel would know whether or not he was at school last week.
Surely he would have been on emergency leave because his MIL was missing regardless of anything else
 
  • #12,572
I'm chatting with my best friend right now because her and I always get into these types of cases together. She is a defense attoryeny in Seattle. This was her thoughts and she made some good points especially about knowing about Nancy's pacemaker being connected to the watch!


View attachment 642701
How do we know that the perpetrator knew about the pacemaker? Wasn’t sure if I missed something.

They cut the doorbell camera but it seems there was at least one more camera they weren’t aware of.
 
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If warrants are being served, then they should be docketed somewhere, even if it’s under seal.
Search warrants are generally not immediately put on public record; they are typically kept confidential while the investigation is active and the search is being executed to prevent the destruction of evidence
. While warrants become public record after they are served, they can be sealed by a judge to protect ongoing investigations or privacy.
Key Details Regarding Search Warrant Records:
  • Timing of Disclosure: Warrants usually become available for public inspection only after they have been executed (served) and, often, only after charges have been filed.
  • Sealed Warrants: Courts can seal affidavits and warrants, keeping them out of the public domain, particularly if the information within them could compromise an investigation.
  • Accessing Records: Once no longer sealed, search warrants, including supporting affidavits, become part of the court record.
  • Warrant vs. Affidavit: While the warrant itself might be public, the supporting affidavit (which outlines the probable cause) is sometimes sealed for a longer period.
In summary, they are rarely immediately public, as keeping them secret is often necessary for the initial phase of a criminal investigation. MOO
 
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First, to me, the goings on at AG’s house last night legitimizes the thoughts that SIL is a suspect. We don’t really know why but something early on caused LE to look at him and they still are.
Second, unless this is the biggest ruse ever by LE, there is someone actually communicating with the family about a ransom.
1 + 1 should equal 1 in this case, yet it seems like 1 + 1 equals 2 separate things right now.
I am so confused.
 
  • #12,575
It is reported that neighbors near AG home were asked for security camera footage but they don't have cameras. I find that interesting.....expect that near NG but must want to confirm coming and going at AG home.
 
  • #12,576
How do we feel about the thought that the suspect has been in custody since last night, lawyered up, and isn't officially charged with anything because his lawyer making sure he refuses any statements that implicate him.

This may explain search warrants being executed at AG and NG properties fairly close to each other. Questioning while in custody revealing additional info of where evidence is. A good lawyer would allow some cooperation but not allow an outright admission of guilt.

No more public statements because they've got their man and dont need public help anymore
 
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Regarding the Uber, I don't find it strange. My elderly neighbor (93) uses Uber even though she has a son a few blocks away and a 40-something grandson nearby. She gave up driving last year and loves to order Ubers.

It could be that AG and TC were running errands, working out or whatever right up to the time of the dinner, and NG said "Oh don't worry I'll just grab an Uber over."

I wonder if AG or TC have a garage-door opener for NG's house in their car, to make it easier to go in and out. Most garage door units come with multiple clickers. Or, the control pads attached to the frame of the door. Anyone with the code could get in.
 
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  • #12,579
Has there been an explanation as to why the vigil for NG was held at a different church? This article points out that zoom attendees had to register for the online services at the church she regularly attended, and so anyone with access could know if NG had attended last Sunday.


"A source speaking to the Daily Mail revealed that Nancy Guthrie had not physically attended St Andrew's Presbyterian Church since the Covid-19 pandemic began, choosing instead to participate in worship "online."

The church, where Nancy had been a congregant for 30 years, conducts three Sunday service Zoom sessions each week. Yet, despite the source's claims, Irish Star US has learned that participants are required to register using their full names to access the virtual gatherings.

This means anyone with access to the attendance records could have verified whether the 84-year-old was present. Nevertheless, the unnamed source spoke warmly of Nancy, stating, "It's a big church, and we know everyone. Nancy is known and loved here and in the whole community. She was a faithful member here for so long, just a lovely person."

Interestingly, although Nancy had belonged to St Andrew's Presbyterian Church for 30 years, her memorial vigil took place at a different location. On February 4, parishioners and supporters gathered at Saint Philip's in the Hills, the church attended by Nancy's daughter, Annie."
Corrected. NG attended a Presbyterian church. Her daughter attended an Episcopal church. I still don't think it odd to have a service at the church the daughter attends.
 
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Still seems insensitive to me. And I have no idea if they were both cooking or grilling and too busy to assist her by picking her up. It wouldn't take them that long to manage picking her up. JMOO
I get your point. I would never do that to my parents, but everyone is different. If they had been drinking, it was a wise choice of course.
However, no mention of alcohol, so IDK.
 
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