Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Miep Knipperdolling]

Oh, I see your point - as in the perp being written out of the will/trust

The Slayer Rule would apply.

Arizona's slayer statute (A.R.S. § 14-2803) prohibits any person who feloniously and intentionally kills another from inheriting, receiving property, or benefiting from the victim's estate, insurance, or jointly held assets. The law treats the killer as having predeceased the victim, applying to convictions for first/second-degree murder and manslaughter.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

It takes two second to look up this information.
You need an account to log in and watch the service. Using Vimeo you can see the attendees and there is a live chat as well.

Church Online | St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church

www.sapctucson.org

My parents' church has their online church on the church's Facebook page, and you don't need a FB account to watch the church service.

Guess that all of the churches do this differently. My parents' pastor never knows who is online unless they say something on the Live Chat.

 

[Derdew]

Is there a link for that?

I gotta learn how to do links. Sorry

 

[Elle*Bee]

Need to post links instead of so-and-so reported xyz

The comment Napoli was replying to (Missy1974's) *did* contain the link. Copying here for you:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2026/02/06/az-sen-mark-kelly-supports-pima-county-sheriffs-department-nancy-guthrie-case/88552328007/

 

[Luna20]

My mother-in-law started doing virtual mass during Covid and she never went back to church again. She would have been about the same age as Nancy at the beginning of Covid.

I don’t mean this in the wrong way, but who was looking for Nancy being on a livestream church service. I understand that friends might look for each other in person, maybe to sit together or go to coffee after. Is it the same for virtual church?

And I wonder why Nancy wasn’t going to church in person. The fellowship and the feeling of togethership (especially during hymns) is something that many people especially enjoy. Did she miss it?

Was she avoiding anyone?

‘Church’

7 Days, No Suspects: The Disappearance of Nancy Guthrie

The mother of the “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie has not been heard from since an evening of dinner and games with family members.

www.nytimes.com

 

[TheDinks]

I too wonder why WS is allowing this ... he has not been named a POI and is close family therefore a 'victim'. If he is guilty ... so many people will be right in their suspicions but if he is innocent ... so much damage to someone suffering from the loss of a loved one. MOO

I said the same last night. From reading Rules I thought it not allowed so I have been very careful about how I word things.

Realistically though, he can't have been cleared (which is the same as being POI) With the HUGE amount of accusations flying around, I would've thought an official statement would be made if he has been deemed innocent, due to being close family and the ongoing detrimental effect. Deputies were at his house last night investigating so...

I just SO don't want to believe it.

 

[Zeta74]

The Pima police chief was so loose with words at that first presser that I don’t entirely take everything he said there literally, including his statement about NG being at church. That being said, I find it very curious that he didn’t include the phone call in the latest timeline.

 

[Cassie P]

I mean this as a serious question because I'm very confused about all the comments that suggest the kidnapping and/or ransom demands are just a ruse to cover for the murder. I don't really understand what that means. How would further entangling yourself with a crime be helpful? It changes nothing.

The theory being discussed is called crime scene staging.

This is the deliberate alteration of a crime scene by an offender before police arrive to mislead investigators, or redirect the investigation. It can also be done while the police are at the crime scene and afterwards. It is the cover up of a crime. A hoax for the purpose of avoiding arrest.

This can be done by altering, changing, deleting evidence. And by providing false information in an attempt to misdirect, confuse and influence the outcome of the investigation, to avoid arrest. This can be done by providing verbal misinformation and/or written material such as suicide or ransom notes.

For example a domestic murder may be disguised as a kidnapping. The offender and sometimes the family will hide the body, make it look like an intruder entered the home. This serves to get control of the crime scene and LE. Police will immediately scatter outside the home looking for the kidnapper and victim. The killer has time to leave the jurisdiction or dispose of more evidence.

Sometimes police suffer from threshold bias where they believe the staging efforts and discard all evidence to the contrary. It can also serve to confuse the jury if the case goes to trial.


Douglas, John E. Et al. (1992) Crime Classification Manual Lexington Books

Geberth, V.J. (1996) The Staged Crime Scene. LAW and ORDER Magazine, Vol. 44, No. 2, February. (Former Commander, Bronx Homicide, NYPD)

Pettler, Laura, PhD (2015) Crime Scene Staging Dynamics in Homicide Cases 1st Edition

Ramsland, Katherine PhD (2016) Staging Murder. Psychology Today, Law and Crime.

 

[Bluewing3102]

Crazy theory: Anyone else think it's suspicious that LE announced increased security around the house and suddenly all reporters on scene have gone quiet as the super bowl is getting ready to start?

 

[Charlot123]

Sorry if this has already been covered, but IMO, specifying USD is super weird if you're in the US speaking to someone else in the US. You would just say "dollars" in that case.

(Source: born and raised in the US and now living elsewhere else! The weird thing here is specifying the US part. I'm in Canada, where we have Canadian dollars -- I would only ever specify CAD if I'm speaking to an American and don't want them to think we're using the same currency.)

I don't view it is strange. It would fit either a constant traveler, or a person who likes to browse "cool" auctions in GB, US or China for fun. Now, there is a Singapore dollar or Hong Kong dollar so I always mentally translate. I never bought anything from them, of course, but just "to have an idea about the lives of the rich and famous".

 

[browneyes]

The Sherriff has other things on his mind. Like basketball.

Do you do your job 24/7?

 

[browneyes]

Crazy theory: Anyone else think it's suspicious that LE announced increased security around the house and suddenly all reporters on scene have gone quiet as the super bowl is getting ready to start?

What? I don’t understand.

 

[vereb]

Bringing up this post by Tricia again, since many are wondering why it's allowed to discuss family members as suspects here:

SHORT VERSION:
*Family members can be discussed as suspects because the sheriff has not cleared anyone.
*Nancy's very political posts could be a reason for her kidnapping. Any discussions about her postings must be discussed in connection with the kidnapping
*NO POLITICS
*Use initials when discussing the family.

I can’t tell you exactly how to post, but I can ask that you use common sense.
Because the sheriff has not cleared anyone—including family members—discussions about family members are allowed. That’s not my personal opinion; that is the current status of the investigation.
NO POLITICS.
While Nancy’s very vocal political posts may be relevant to why she was taken, that does not open the door to political debate in this thread.
Please remember: your words have power.
What you say here stays on the internet forever. The people being discussed—or their loved ones—may read these posts someday. Keep that in mind before you hit “post.”
Tricia

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

It would be dumb for them to lie about something that could be so easily verified as false so I wonder why they would.
Couldn't they have just stated they decided to go visit her for lunch?

Might have been in total shock about the events that had occurred since the previous evening and just said the first thing that came to their mind.

Shonyakay's suggestion of saying they decided to go visit her for lunch would have been much better.

But, if family was involved, it wasn't likely pre-planned and they may have been out-of-their-minds with stress and not thinking straight.

And, if family involved, why even go over to her house? Why involve LE in this until it's discovered by others?

 

[investigatoroffacts]

I’ve been kind of stuck on the whole “KOLD” thing the past couple days, especially why KOLD News was reportedly the first outlet to receive the ransom message. At first, my brain went straight to the word “old” inside KOLD. But the more I think about it, the more I wonder if “KOLD” itself might actually be intentional and not just a coincidence???

In the crypto world, “COLD” (sometimes written as KOLD) refers to cold storage like a cold wallet, basically offline Bitcoin storage that’s harder to trace. It could also be shorthand for something like “Keep Our Location Discreet.” And interestingly, KOLD is also a real stock ticker (ProShares UltraShort Natural Gas ETF), which could point to someone with a finance/trading mindset?

Not saying any of this proves anything, and merely is my opinion, but “KOLD” has multiple meanings in the crypto/financial world, and it’s definitely an interesting word choice if the ransom message sent to KOLD is legitimate.

 

[mickey2942]

"No suspects". But they got a search warrant for the daughter's house?

I find that interesting. Wouldn't you volunteer for anyone to search your home if police asked, when your Mom is missing? I don't know.

Of course, I refused to get a cat from the shelter, as they had a document that they could search our home. Forget it.

 

[wyome]

Crazy theory: Anyone else think it's suspicious that LE announced increased security around the house and suddenly all reporters on scene have gone quiet as the super bowl is getting ready to start?

YES!!

Absolutely bizarre and almost laughable. Not sure if it's super bowl related, but might as well be. The comment that the Guthrie family requested it is ridiculous in my opinion. LE still needs to do proper searches since we're 7 days in and they dropped the ball.
Yeah okay wink wink.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

The Pima police chief was so loose with words at that first presser that I don’t entirely take everything he said there literally, including his statement about NG being at church. That being said, I find it very curious that he didn’t include the phone call in the latest timeline.

LE wouldn't have fabricated that the family told him that somebody from church called them to let them know she wasn't at church. That's too specific for him to loosely mention it in that first presser. MO

 

[Napoli]

My take from jump was this was 2 separate crimes occurring concurrently. NG was met with foul play it seems & then another person(s) decided to jump on a sad situation in a pathetic attempt to milk some money out of a tragedy. With a kidnapping for ransom, that first communication would have been considered pretty late. Usually kidnappers want to get the message to get the money as soon as possible and get any other message they want the public to know out ASAP, whether to intimidate or in an attempt to apply more pressure for payment.

Why couldn't she have died at the hands of the kidnappers and they went ahead with the ransom requests anyway?

 

[CSIDreamer]

I’ve been kind of stuck on the whole “KOLD” thing the past couple days, especially why KOLD News was reportedly the first outlet to receive the ransom message. At first, my brain went straight to the word “old” inside KOLD. But the more I think about it, the more I wonder if “KOLD” itself might actually be intentional and not just a coincidence???

In the crypto world, “COLD” (sometimes written as KOLD) refers to cold storage like a cold wallet, basically offline Bitcoin storage that’s harder to trace. It could also be shorthand for something like “Keep Our Location Discreet.” And interestingly, KOLD is also a real stock ticker (ProShares UltraShort Natural Gas ETF), which could point to someone with a finance/trading mindset?

Not saying any of this proves anything, and merely is my opinion, but “KOLD” has multiple meanings in the crypto/financial world, and it’s definitely an interesting word choice if the ransom message sent to KOLD is legitimate.

Where are they based?