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She hasnt surfaced. They have received ransom notes. There would be no point in murdering her or holding her without getting money in return. The ransom notes are real. What if she suddenly turned up before the money was paid? She hasnt. The ransom notes are a direct result and authored by the kidnapper or his collaborators. jmo
But who?
 
  • #13,023
Not when it comes to crypto - it's pretty common to specify that you want X amount in Y currency because part of the "beauty" of crypto is its borderless and you can convert it wherever, whenever basically.

Agreed. This case has been worse than most for attracting the completely inexpert views of self-titled 'experts'. Basically a bunch of people who like to pick up some media time around cases like this and say whatever they think will get them some additional engagement, with little thought for the actual detail or known facts of the case. These people always annoy me. They're almost never right.
 
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This first notification is so important and we have nothing verified. It really would be a stupid lie to tell, because it is easily verified through phone records (or really just looking at the caller's phone). So there's a reason it came off the timeline.

It would be dumb for them to lie about something that could be so easily verified as false so I wonder why they would.
Couldn't they have just stated they decided to go visit her for lunch?
 
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The Sherriff has other things on his mind. Like basketball.
I get where you're coming from completely, but I'm glad the Sheriff took the night off to unwind. I was personally a little pissed that this was covered so extensively. I wouldn't trust my Dr. or surgeon to deal with me if they are working 7 days a week without some time away - although residents do it all the time :(
 
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Oh God..why did he need to report that? So cringy political..I would guess she didn't expect that to be a headline. What did he do or could he do? Doesnt look like anything....... On another note, someone on Fox was complaining that people go missing every day..and they dont get this kind of media attention. This case is about to slip off the radar, imo. They also just mentioned on Fox it could be a cartel kidnapping.
 
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She hasnt surfaced. They have received ransom notes. There would be no point in murdering her or holding her without getting money in return. The ransom notes are real. What if she suddenly turned up before the money was paid? She hasnt. The ransom notes are a direct result and authored by the kidnapper or his collaborators. jmo
How u know?
 
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Time doesn't matter if you aim to prevent a changing of inheritance or a trust by the missing?
Oh, I see your point - as in the perp being written out of the will/trust 👍
 
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This first notification is so important and we have nothing verified. It really would be a stupid lie to tell, because it is easily verified through phone records (or really just looking at the caller's phone). So there's a reason it came off the timeline.
The pastor of her church said that she only does online church.

Somebody in the family who lives in Tucson said that a member of the church contacted them because they were concerned Nancy wasn't in church. If this is true, it seems easily verifiable with the family giving LE the name of the person who contacted them. Clearly if that person had the family's phone number, they would know the family and the family would know them and remember the name of who notified them.

If Nancy didn't go in-person to church and if LE can't get a name from the family about who notified them, this is a red flag. Also, the cell phone of the family member contacted would show a call came in from somebody at church at the time they reported receiving the call.

Like Vegasgirl said, it would be stupid for somebody to tell LE something that could be verified immediately with phone records.

If family really said that somebody from the church contacted them and there's no trace of a phone call, this essentially tells LE that somebody in the family is likely involved.

IMO
 
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BBM

On the contrary... everything you say makes perfect sense and you write beautifully
Thank you very much; I do my best to think before I string words together, but I cannot guarantee I will always do so to achieve the desired effect.
 
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Hi there, I checked the NYT article you mentioned. It was last updated today at 3:52 pm ET. Here is a gift link so you can read the article yourself.

Here's the relevant part about the church member:

Thank you!
 
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Forgive me if I haven't seen this, these threads are moving fast - but was it mentioned if Nancy's house was checked for fingerprints inside, and on any of the doors, etc? Check for hairs, fibers, etc..?
Her home was designated as a crime scene. It was processed and released. They have been back multiple times both inside and outside the home. Most agree that it feels strange that the scene wasn't preserved from the beginning - even with simple things like crime tape and LE parked outside.
 
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Oh God..why did he need to report that? So cringy political..I would guess she didn't expect that to be a headline. What did he do or could he do? Doesnt look like anything....... On another note, someone on Fox was complaining that people go missing every day..and they dont get this kind of media attention. This case is about to slip off the radar, imo. They also just mentioned on Fox it could be a cartel kidnapping.
Need to post links instead of so-and-so reported xyz
 
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I don’t mean this in the wrong way, but who was looking for Nancy being on a livestream church service. I understand that friends might look for each other in person, maybe to sit together or go to coffee after. Is it the same for virtual church?

And I wonder why Nancy wasn’t going to church in person. The fellowship and the feeling of togethership (especially during hymns) is something that many people especially enjoy. Did she miss it?

Was she avoiding anyone?
My mother-in-law started doing virtual mass during Covid and she never went back to church again. She would have been about the same age as Nancy at the beginning of Covid.
 
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Why Nancy's? Did they mean Annie's? Or they mean security for Nancy's residence?
Since it’s a crime scene and people probably keep trying to get in there and keep trying to trespass and get exclusive footage. I’m guessing this is why
 
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You are so on the ball with number 6). MK is one of the worst offenders I have seen online with this story. As someone who is a former colleague of SG, she has lacked all common decency and respect in the name of clicks and revenue. She should be totally ashamed.

FYI we need to use initials when referring to family members.
What exactly has she done other than report on the story? I've listened to her podcasts this week and found nothing objectionable. Her guests offerred good insights. JMO.
 
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Without that churchgoer call ..we may still not know she was kidnapped
The issue I am currently having is that the most critical chunk of the timeline depends almost solely on AG and TC. We're currently having to assume LE was able to verify who from church called and exactly when. And of course, any confirmation that they were home during the critical hours.
 
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Oh God..why did he need to report that? So cringy political..I would guess she didn't expect that to be a headline. What did he do or could he do? Doesnt look like anything....... On another note, someone on Fox was complaining that people go missing every day..and they dont get this kind of media attention. This case is about to slip off the radar, imo. They also just mentioned on Fox it could be a cartel kidnapping.
I thought the cartels were a possibility from the beginning.
But who the heck knows? This case is a deep mystery.
 
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Is that typical for someone of that executive-level seniority to be involved in the case? Unless there is something affecting national security or something much bigger we are not aware of, with respect it seems unusual for executive intervention for what may simply be kidnapping or unaliving by someone known by NG. I may be completely wrong as I do not live in the USA, and understand it may simply be because of the media attention.
Just for show and most likely not 'pre planned'. IMO
 
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