AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

This first notification is so important and we have nothing verified. It really would be a stupid lie to tell, because it is easily verified through phone records (or really just looking at the caller's phone). So there's a reason it came off the timeline.

The pastor of her church said that she only does online church.

Somebody in the family who lives in Tucson said that a member of the church contacted them because they were concerned Nancy wasn't in church. If this is true, it seems easily verifiable with the family giving LE the name of the person who contacted them. Clearly if that person had the family's phone number, they would know the family and the family would know them and remember the name of who notified them.

If Nancy didn't go in-person to church and if LE can't get a name from the family about who notified them, this is a red flag. Also, the cell phone of the family member contacted would show a call came in from somebody at church at the time they reported receiving the call.

Like Vegasgirl said, it would be stupid for somebody to tell LE something that could be verified immediately with phone records.

If family really said that somebody from the church contacted them and there's no trace of a phone call, this essentially tells LE that somebody in the family is likely involved.

IMO

 

[Athos65]

BBM

On the contrary... everything you say makes perfect sense and you write beautifully

Thank you very much; I do my best to think before I string words together, but I cannot guarantee I will always do so to achieve the desired effect.

 

[Jade]

Hi there, I checked the NYT article you mentioned. It was last updated today at 3:52 pm ET. Here is a gift link so you can read the article yourself.

Here's the relevant part about the church member:

Thank you!

 

[Vegasgrl]

Forgive me if I haven't seen this, these threads are moving fast - but was it mentioned if Nancy's house was checked for fingerprints inside, and on any of the doors, etc? Check for hairs, fibers, etc..?

Her home was designated as a crime scene. It was processed and released. They have been back multiple times both inside and outside the home. Most agree that it feels strange that the scene wasn't preserved from the beginning - even with simple things like crime tape and LE parked outside.

 

[Turkeytrot]

Oh God..why did he need to report that? So cringy political..I would guess she didn't expect that to be a headline. What did he do or could he do? Doesnt look like anything....... On another note, someone on Fox was complaining that people go missing every day..and they dont get this kind of media attention. This case is about to slip off the radar, imo. They also just mentioned on Fox it could be a cartel kidnapping.

Need to post links instead of so-and-so reported xyz

 

[LRinCA]

I don’t mean this in the wrong way, but who was looking for Nancy being on a livestream church service. I understand that friends might look for each other in person, maybe to sit together or go to coffee after. Is it the same for virtual church?

And I wonder why Nancy wasn’t going to church in person. The fellowship and the feeling of togethership (especially during hymns) is something that many people especially enjoy. Did she miss it?

Was she avoiding anyone?

My mother-in-law started doing virtual mass during Covid and she never went back to church again. She would have been about the same age as Nancy at the beginning of Covid.

 

[thefragile7393]

Why Nancy's? Did they mean Annie's? Or they mean security for Nancy's residence?

Since it’s a crime scene and people probably keep trying to get in there and keep trying to trespass and get exclusive footage. I’m guessing this is why

 

[MissLaura]

You are so on the ball with number 6). MK is one of the worst offenders I have seen online with this story. As someone who is a former colleague of SG, she has lacked all common decency and respect in the name of clicks and revenue. She should be totally ashamed.

FYI we need to use initials when referring to family members.

What exactly has she done other than report on the story? I've listened to her podcasts this week and found nothing objectionable. Her guests offerred good insights. JMO.

 

[maskedwoman]

Without that churchgoer call ..we may still not know she was kidnapped

The issue I am currently having is that the most critical chunk of the timeline depends almost solely on AG and TC. We're currently having to assume LE was able to verify who from church called and exactly when. And of course, any confirmation that they were home during the critical hours.

 

[JoeFromLB]

Oh God..why did he need to report that? So cringy political..I would guess she didn't expect that to be a headline. What did he do or could he do? Doesnt look like anything....... On another note, someone on Fox was complaining that people go missing every day..and they dont get this kind of media attention. This case is about to slip off the radar, imo. They also just mentioned on Fox it could be a cartel kidnapping.

I thought the cartels were a possibility from the beginning.
But who the heck knows? This case is a deep mystery.

 

[keek]

Is that typical for someone of that executive-level seniority to be involved in the case? Unless there is something affecting national security or something much bigger we are not aware of, with respect it seems unusual for executive intervention for what may simply be kidnapping or unaliving by someone known by NG. I may be completely wrong as I do not live in the USA, and understand it may simply be because of the media attention.

Just for show and most likely not 'pre planned'. IMO

 

[Miep Knipperdolling]

Oh, I see your point - as in the perp being written out of the will/trust

The Slayer Rule would apply.

Arizona's slayer statute (A.R.S. § 14-2803) prohibits any person who feloniously and intentionally kills another from inheriting, receiving property, or benefiting from the victim's estate, insurance, or jointly held assets. The law treats the killer as having predeceased the victim, applying to convictions for first/second-degree murder and manslaughter.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

It takes two second to look up this information.
You need an account to log in and watch the service. Using Vimeo you can see the attendees and there is a live chat as well.

Church Online | St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church

www.sapctucson.org

My parents' church has their online church on the church's Facebook page, and you don't need a FB account to watch the church service.

Guess that all of the churches do this differently. My parents' pastor never knows who is online unless they say something on the Live Chat.

 

[Derdew]

Is there a link for that?

I gotta learn how to do links. Sorry

 

[Elle*Bee]

Need to post links instead of so-and-so reported xyz

The comment Napoli was replying to (Missy1974's) *did* contain the link. Copying here for you:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2026/02/06/az-sen-mark-kelly-supports-pima-county-sheriffs-department-nancy-guthrie-case/88552328007/

 

[Luna20]

My mother-in-law started doing virtual mass during Covid and she never went back to church again. She would have been about the same age as Nancy at the beginning of Covid.

I don’t mean this in the wrong way, but who was looking for Nancy being on a livestream church service. I understand that friends might look for each other in person, maybe to sit together or go to coffee after. Is it the same for virtual church?

And I wonder why Nancy wasn’t going to church in person. The fellowship and the feeling of togethership (especially during hymns) is something that many people especially enjoy. Did she miss it?

Was she avoiding anyone?

‘Church’

7 Days, No Suspects: The Disappearance of Nancy Guthrie

The mother of the “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie has not been heard from since an evening of dinner and games with family members.

www.nytimes.com

 

[TheDinks]

I too wonder why WS is allowing this ... he has not been named a POI and is close family therefore a 'victim'. If he is guilty ... so many people will be right in their suspicions but if he is innocent ... so much damage to someone suffering from the loss of a loved one. MOO

I said the same last night. From reading Rules I thought it not allowed so I have been very careful about how I word things.

Realistically though, he can't have been cleared (which is the same as being POI) With the HUGE amount of accusations flying around, I would've thought an official statement would be made if he has been deemed innocent, due to being close family and the ongoing detrimental effect. Deputies were at his house last night investigating so...

I just SO don't want to believe it.

 

[Zeta74]

The Pima police chief was so loose with words at that first presser that I don’t entirely take everything he said there literally, including his statement about NG being at church. That being said, I find it very curious that he didn’t include the phone call in the latest timeline.

 

[Cassie P]

I mean this as a serious question because I'm very confused about all the comments that suggest the kidnapping and/or ransom demands are just a ruse to cover for the murder. I don't really understand what that means. How would further entangling yourself with a crime be helpful? It changes nothing.

The theory being discussed is called crime scene staging.

This is the deliberate alteration of a crime scene by an offender before police arrive to mislead investigators, or redirect the investigation. It can also be done while the police are at the crime scene and afterwards. It is the cover up of a crime. A hoax for the purpose of avoiding arrest.

This can be done by altering, changing, deleting evidence. And by providing false information in an attempt to misdirect, confuse and influence the outcome of the investigation, to avoid arrest. This can be done by providing verbal misinformation and/or written material such as suicide or ransom notes.

For example a domestic murder may be disguised as a kidnapping. The offender and sometimes the family will hide the body, make it look like an intruder entered the home. This serves to get control of the crime scene and LE. Police will immediately scatter outside the home looking for the kidnapper and victim. The killer has time to leave the jurisdiction or dispose of more evidence.

Sometimes police suffer from threshold bias where they believe the staging efforts and discard all evidence to the contrary. It can also serve to confuse the jury if the case goes to trial.


Douglas, John E. Et al. (1992) Crime Classification Manual Lexington Books

Geberth, V.J. (1996) The Staged Crime Scene. LAW and ORDER Magazine, Vol. 44, No. 2, February. (Former Commander, Bronx Homicide, NYPD)

Pettler, Laura, PhD (2015) Crime Scene Staging Dynamics in Homicide Cases 1st Edition

Ramsland, Katherine PhD (2016) Staging Murder. Psychology Today, Law and Crime.

 

[Bluewing3102]

Crazy theory: Anyone else think it's suspicious that LE announced increased security around the house and suddenly all reporters on scene have gone quiet as the super bowl is getting ready to start?