• #14,261
RE: SPUTUM IN THE BLOOD

I was able to find the posts from the last few days that said AB stated there was sputum in the blood and where she said it. This is NOT true ... she was asked if she knew if it had other evidence in the blood.. AB said NO, she just knew that it came back as NG.

Another great example of why it's important to provide links. IMO


 
  • #14,262
Couple of thoughts:
1) I think the person responsible is close (family, neighbor, someone who works in the house). This would be irrationally random otherwise. NG isn't a celebrity - even if her daughter is. She isn't wealthy in the manner that usual targets for ransom are and she doesn't live a lifestyle where she's neccessarily exposed (she's not followed by papparazi or the media). There is clearly some knowledge of the house and the fact that there is no subscription for the cameras. Any halfway intelligent person would know that even destroying a camera uploading to the cloud will show everything up to the destruction of the camera - so I think destroying the camera was to avoid anyone watching live (NG? AG?)
2) The perp has a normal M-F 9-5 job. Saturday night / early Sunday seems to fit this AND 2nd note comes out Friday afternoon. Something tells me, based on the timeline - the perp has someone at home expecting them. The times loosely fit a night out: I tell my spouse I'm headed out with the boys. Bars close at 2am. Plausable to say we were kicked out at 2:15am. This would be a valid arrival home closer to 3am if I claim I'm going to a bar across town, stopped for gas, cigarettes, whatever.
3) Blood spatter on porch (as many have pointed out) appears to be aspirated at the doorstep and drops thereafter. The doorstep looks like a small step down or, at least, a threshold to step over - with NG's limited mobility, this step over/down might cause her respiratory exertion resulting in either coughing or heavy exhale through her nose. I think it was a nose bleed - the drops are round and mouth bleeds just don't seem like they fall that way. It looks like she was walking slow on the porch, the drops are close together.
4) I also believe the ransom notes are a distraction or a layer added to cover the real intent. I won't go so far as to say she's no longer alive. But something about the family theory seems to check the boxes. Let's say, hypothethically, you have three children. One is a TV personality on national TV, one is a poet married to a school teacher, and one is a retired Air Force pilot. Would one of them be in a position to feel not as financially secure or not as happy with their lot in life as compared to their siblings? Hypothetically, let's say someone at 10pm calls their spouse letting them know they just dropped off their mom at home safely - but now is headed to the bar in downtown Tucson to meet up with friends - after all, it's saturday night. Same person grabs a few drinks and then heads to NG house. They know the cameras aren't saving any recordings, but disconnects the doorbell cam because it would alert NG or even AG when the doorbell is rung or perhaps it can be turned on remotely by NG is she hears forced entry. Entry is made. No signs of a real struggle because you are known to the NG - until you assault her or she falls. You help her to your car (or a car). You may or may not have a 2nd person helping you - but you do have a place you keep her (is it a storage unit? a partner's place?) Either way, you realize quickly you ARE the prime suspect. You cannot leave your own house now without scrutiny or surviellence by police. You cannot provide proof of life because you simply cannot go to where you are holding her without being found out by LE. Your motive was money - maybe you did intend to kill her and sobered up and realized that was stupid. Maybe the ransom idea then becomes what you go with - which explains waiting so long to send a ransom note. The family records a message on Instagram because they know you'll watch that. References are made to Silence of the Lambs - perhaps because they know it's probably you and that's meaningful to you. You see your wife struggle because you were "out" that night and arrived oddly late. Your brother in law also suspects you and his demeanor is flat because he's talking to you and you know it. You sister in law is full of emotion because she lives in NYC and isn't part of the everyday of the family dynamics in AZ. LE knows it's you and that's why they really haven't done extensive searches with cadaver dogs, sought that TX equestrian group, or had volunteers walking the desert.
With all that said - it could also be someone close to the family following the same script. I just don't believe the excess stuff LE is doing is really progressing the case. I think it might be to gather evidence to make the case stronger - but I think they already know who did it and they are either waiting for him to go to her OR they are negotiating with him in the background while maintaining "no suspect" for the public.
Is this what launched the bar thing? It's obvious conjecture. JMO
 
  • #14,263
Her mom has appeared with Savannah on tv.

jmo
Nancy was highly visible on SG's shows over the years. I remember some of those shows. REmember Dave Letterman used to feature his mother on his late night show? You can be sure no one will be doing this again in the future. Dave got. lucky this did not happen to him.
 
  • #14,264
IMO, they are not paying a dime unless they have solid unquestionable proof that Nancy is alive.
 
  • #14,265
Yesterday on her podcast, The Nerve, Maureen Callahan was discussing Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance with Ashleigh Banfield.

Maureen said she read that the blood drops on the porch had been tested and the blood came from Nancy. Also that there was sputum mixed with it, that suggested it had come from her mouth or nose (as opposed to a cut on her arm, say).
I just tried to listen to this podcast but I was so turned off at the way she spoke of SG's Today Show colleagues, specifically Jenna, who she thinks is faking her distress at her colleague's situation. It seemed pretty hateful, actually, and made me not trust her.
 
  • #14,266
Seems the sheriff has led us astray regarding the pacemaker and communications with the iphone or watch. After reading what many WSers have provided about their own pacemakers, it seems that the pacemaker will make an attempt to communicate with iphone/watch just one time per day to download data, it is not a constant monitoring situation.

Thus, the timing of the iphone message is not indicative of when she actually went missing.

All just my opinion after reading many WSer experiences.
We don't know how NG's pacemaker was set up.

IMO LE was able to say when it disconnected because she most likely had a notification on her phone from her app that it had lost bluetooth connection at a specific time.
 
  • #14,267
My doubts about the ransom notes are increasing.
I never had anything but doubts. My only questions are whether this is a JBR situation (fake ransom to cover murder) or some unrelated opportunistic looking for money. The delayed timing makes me think it’s the latter.
 
  • #14,268
I’ve mentioned that I live in NG’s neighborhood. Several people here as well as folks I know who live close to main roads, even outside of this neighborhood, had LE visits over the weekend. They want footage from any cameras facing these main roads: Oracle road and 1st Ave are the two I can personally confirm.

Oh, they've probably got that and much more with the manpower assigned to this case.
 
  • #14,269
The second ransom note has to be real, right? What would be the purpose of the kidnapping otherwise? There has to be some incentive for the abductor.
 
  • #14,270
Ran inside to leave a phone, for example?

jmo
In the realm of wild speculation, but it takes just a moment to do something like that if you are young and fit enough. Me? Ah, that's another matter...with my cane on a bad day, and the slope in the driveway...no chance, but...a younger person, potentially, could accomplish this.

Not everyone locks the door that goes from garage to house, and this would be easy if that were the case. Or, of course, if there was access to NG's keys.

Just opinions formed while scrubbing dishes. Not fact or firm assertion.
 
  • #14,271
The second ransom note has to be real, right? What would be the purpose of the kidnapping otherwise? There has to be some incentive for the abductor.
If there actually was a real abduction for ransom in the first place.
 
  • #14,272
If there actually was a real abduction for ransom in the first place.
True, but if it wasn't what else would it be? A cover up for something else?
 
  • #14,273
if BIL TC is involved there are others that actually were there that night. I have never thought he was the one himself to take her.I think she is either right in the immediate area or might be over the Mexican border. Border is tight but has gaps as outlined to BE by. a former border control person.
And she could have been over the border before anyone knew she was missing.
 
  • #14,274
The second ransom note has to be real, right? What would be the purpose of the kidnapping otherwise? There has to be some incentive for the abductor.

Did I read it was just a comment on the TV/radio feedback webpage that proved it was from the person who sent the 1st ransom note?
 
  • #14,275
I wonder if LE checked AG and husband's phones (or any other potential POIs') for health monitoring data for the night of 2/7, especially if they were wearing Apple Watches. That would tell a lot, such as activity levels during the night. If there is no data for that night, or a shortish period starting before the disappearance, that might be pretty informative too.
 
  • #14,276
In the realm of wild speculation, but it takes just a moment to do something like that if you are young and fit enough. Me? Ah, that's another matter...with my cane on a bad day, and the slope in the driveway...no chance, but...a younger person, potentially, could accomplish this.

Not everyone locks the door that goes from garage to house, and this would be easy if that were the case. Or, of course, if there was access to NG's keys.

Just opinions formed while scrubbing dishes. Not fact or firm assertion.
I'm not suggesting NG ran inside to leave her phone, but that someone else did. And put it in a unexpected location for the "ransom note writer" to know, to prove he was the abductor.

jmo
 
  • #14,277
True, but if it wasn't what else would it be? A cover up for something else?
An effort to misdirect by the person responsible, or some random opportunist trying to cash in on the situation.
 
  • #14,278
Agree. She wasn't dumb. Someone maybe banging at the door that she knew. Told her there was an emergency. The maybe grabbed her hard and her skin ripped and she dripped blood or she was punched in the nose.

Like many of you, I don't think this was a kidnapping per se... an (eventual) murder and taking her to kill her elsewhere and dump the body.

IF it was for inheritance, I think the body would have been easier to spot and not burried or hidden.

WILL WE EVER FIND OUT WHO DID THIS???
but it is said that the first ransom note knew things about the inside of the house that were specific to this case and that evening.
 
  • #14,279
I’ve always been a bit perplexed as to why they stopped the search so quick. I understand that it’s likely they realized pretty quickly that something nefarious had happened and they didn’t have a simple wandering case going on. However, it seems that occasionally if someone is abducted and harmed, they will be found discarded somewhat close to the abduction site. I’m surprised they didn’t search more, just in case she was left close by. But then again, with the quick release of the house and coming back a few times, maybe I’m not surprised.
 
  • #14,280
Maybe she regularly checks on her mom- especially if she is alone at night.
I sort of think we will find that a friend did call her. In any event I think it likely that she looked in on her mother very often. As the closest daughter she was the one that kept things going at NG's house so she could stay independent. No doubt the first call and contact for NG in Tucson. Something going on at home..NG would call AG. As to how involved TC was we don't really know but my guess is he helped NG a lot too. That said.... not ruling them out.
 
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